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Post by Martin on Jan 16, 2020 9:40:40 GMT
Had to happen really. Porsche are going back to a a 6 cylinder engine in the GTS versions of the Boxster/Cayman. It’s a slightly defined version of the 4.0 litre GT4 engine, 394hp, so only 20hp down. Manual only for now.
Excellent.
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Post by michael on Jan 16, 2020 10:22:47 GMT
That's should make the buyers of the existing four cylinder car happy!
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 16, 2020 10:56:20 GMT
Very desirable.
The only issue I have is that Porsche continues to extract the ahem Michael.
It's a £65k car that's one step from being the top model in the 718 range on which things like parking sensors, dual climate-control, heated seats, cruise control and a host of other surprising things are options. All of those things were standard on my German car (also one step from being the top model in the 4-series pantheon) costing 2/3rds the price.
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Post by Tim on Jan 16, 2020 11:43:03 GMT
Woohoo a bit of common sense.
Is this a combined result of marketing and. perhaps, WLTP rules showing that a 2.5 turbo four is no more economical than a 4 litre 6?
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Post by franki68 on Jan 16, 2020 12:10:13 GMT
Very desirable. The only issue I have is that Porsche continues to extract the ahem Michael. It's a £65k car that's one step from being the top model in the 718 range on which things like parking sensors, dual climate-control, heated seats, cruise control and a host of other surprising things are options. All of those things were standard on my German car (also one step from being the top model in the 4-series pantheon) costing 2/3rds the price. It wasn’t so long ago that the floor mats were extra. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 13:33:24 GMT
Very desirable. The only issue I have is that Porsche continues to extract the ahem Michael. It's a £65k car that's one step from being the top model in the 718 range on which things like parking sensors, dual climate-control, heated seats, cruise control and a host of other surprising things are options. All of those things were standard on my German car (also one step from being the top model in the 4-series pantheon) costing 2/3rds the price. And indeed all were included on my German car thirteen years ago. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 16, 2020 14:01:35 GMT
Very desirable. The only issue I have is that Porsche continues to extract the ahem Michael. It's a £65k car that's one step from being the top model in the 718 range on which things like parking sensors, dual climate-control, heated seats, cruise control and a host of other surprising things are options. All of those things were standard on my German car (also one step from being the top model in the 4-series pantheon) costing 2/3rds the price. And indeed all were included on my German car thirteen years ago. And mine 18 years ago. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 16, 2020 18:57:14 GMT
Very desirable. The only issue I have is that Porsche continues to extract the ahem Michael. It's a £65k car that's one step from being the top model in the 718 range on which things like parking sensors, dual climate-control, heated seats, cruise control and a host of other surprising things are options. All of those things were standard on my German car (also one step from being the top model in the 4-series pantheon) costing 2/3rds the price. That is all standard equipment on a second from top of the range Skoda Superb. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 16, 2020 19:19:09 GMT
All that and a fair bit more is standard on our little hatchback as well...but I’d still be very happy with a GTS 4.0 and a long list of options!
It is a bit silly, but I guess some people aren’t bothered by heated seats, climate control etc and at least you know you’ve got to add some options when you buy one. It does make finding the right spec used car more difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 9:42:59 GMT
Given that there is talk in the automotive press about pre-equipping all cars in a range with loads of stuff that you then have to pay extra to activate, I think you're being very generous there. It's a pretty sharp practice to my way of thinking. Surely it's easier for the manufacturers to build as much standardisation into their cars as possible, and probably cheaper unless you are looking at exotic things - bum warmers etc do not count. If you are buying something purist, have bits of FG as no-cost delete options.
But no, milk those cows!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 17, 2020 10:19:13 GMT
Given that there is talk in the automotive press about pre-equipping all cars in a range with loads of stuff that you then have to pay extra to activate, I like that idea - buy the basic model with the unactivated stuff and then get some kid with an OBD cable and a computer to activate them for you. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 17, 2020 11:30:21 GMT
Given that there is talk in the automotive press about pre-equipping all cars in a range with loads of stuff that you then have to pay extra to activate, I like that idea - buy the basic model with the unactivated stuff and then get some kid with an OBD cable and a computer to activate them for you. Indeed! Although it reminds me me of a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Otherwise known the early 1980s in Rome. At the time, my parents had a Volvo 240 Turbo estate which must have been one of the first cars equipped with a system that made a fuss if the driver didn't wear their seatbelt. It's a dim memory these days, but I vaguely recall that it made a clicking noise rather than the beeps modern cars emit and also a large red light with a seat-belt symbol on it flashed somewhere near the rear-view mirror. Either way, irritating stuff you'll agree. Anyway, rather than do anything as sensible as just wear the seatbelt, my father got his driver to just deactivate the warning system. But then every time it went back to Volvo for servicing or repairs, they'd re-activate it and then we'd usually endure a few days of irritable parent until the system got deactivated again. It ended up as a sort of running battle between Dad and the dealership. Point being, I'd guess the same might happen each time you took a hacked car back for a service. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 17, 2020 11:36:15 GMT
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Parents 1974 145 had something similar - clicking warning like a loud indicators sound, plus a large flashing red light on the centre console. Easy to deactivate if you wished to cheat the system by plugging the passenger seatbelt into the driver's side socket (or just buy a spare buckle and plug that in)
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2020 12:18:58 GMT
My parents P reg (1977?) Austin Princess had a flashing red light and a clicking noise for non-use of a seatbelt.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 17, 2020 12:19:01 GMT
^ Parents 1974 145 had something similar - clicking warning like a loud indicators sound, plus a large flashing red light on the centre console. Easy to deactivate if you wished to cheat the system by plugging the passenger seatbelt into the driver's side socket (or just buy a spare buckle and plug that in) I remember people doing that and thinking what's the point? A load of faff just to not wear a seatbelt. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 17, 2020 13:59:33 GMT
Glad my memory's not at fault then, but didn't realise they'd already been around in the 1970s!
I recall it taking years to persuade my father to wear a seatbelt.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 17, 2020 15:20:54 GMT
How do we go from Awesome Porsches to boxy Volvos!
The GTS will be amazing, a better road car then the GT4 for sure. Speced mine on the configurator to 74K which is punchy but around 15k less then a GT4. Comparing them to more common stuff and bemoaning the spec is a little daft. You've got to look at the real cost of running a the car.
With 5 year old 981 GTS still around 50k its has the same costs over the terms of ownership as a 3 or 5 series.
Think Porsche is bad don't look at anything more exotic like Ferrari and Mclaren
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2020 15:26:29 GMT
What sort of mileage does a 5 year old, £50k GTS have?
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Post by johnc on Jan 17, 2020 15:56:58 GMT
How do we go from Awesome Porsches to boxy Volvos! The GTS will be amazing, a better road car then the GT4 for sure. Speced mine on the configurator to 74K which is punchy but around 15k less then a GT4. Comparing them to more common stuff and bemoaning the spec is a little daft. You've got to look at the real cost of running a the car. With 5 year old 981 GTS still around 50k its has the same costs over the terms of ownership as a 3 or 5 series. Think Porsche is bad don't look at anything more exotic like Ferrari and Mclaren I've got several Porsche running clients who find the depreciation no worse that anything much more average from the other German manufacturers. However they all fund the cars themselves. If you get sucked into Porsche's high interest rate deals the figures become much less palatable (at least they do if you deal with Porsche Glasgow who give nothing away). Service costs are also eye watering from Porsche Glasgow. I have one client who takes his car to Porsche Perth, saves a significant amount on servicing and gets discount when he buys his cars. Sytner owned Porsche Glasgow don't know the meaning of the word discount or even reasonable. |
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Post by johnc on Jan 17, 2020 16:05:51 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 17, 2020 16:14:01 GMT
List for a 981 GTS was 55k when they were new! Expect around early 60k out the door.
My colleague bought a lovely one when they were new with buckets GTS interior, Torque Vectoring/ Sports Chassis and paid 64 if I remember.
Wish I'd have bought one
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2020 16:41:23 GMT
I was expecting that the only way they'd hold value was with extremely low mileage but that first one sort of belies that. In the 2nd example it's sad that such a fantastic driving car has been so underused. Hopefully owner number 2 will use it more appropriately. |
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Post by johnc on Jan 17, 2020 16:45:52 GMT
I find it hard to see why you would have a car like that and only do 2,000 miles a year but I suppose if you have the money you can afford to let it sit in the garage all week and just take it out on sunny weekends.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:42:41 GMT
That is lovely. I can't recall if there were optional wheels on those, but it's about the only thing I'd change. Didn't go much on the Weissach wheels. They're not cheap to buy aftermarket either... www.suncoastparts.com/product/SKU918MAG.html |
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Post by Martin on Jan 17, 2020 19:19:22 GMT
How do we go from Awesome Porsches to boxy Volvos! Exactly, who in their right mind would do that?  |
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Post by Martin on Jan 17, 2020 19:24:13 GMT
How do we go from Awesome Porsches to boxy Volvos! The GTS will be amazing, a better road car then the GT4 for sure. Speced mine on the configurator to 74K which is punchy but around 15k less then a GT4. Comparing them to more common stuff and bemoaning the spec is a little daft. You've got to look at the real cost of running a the car. With 5 year old 981 GTS still around 50k its has the same costs over the terms of ownership as a 3 or 5 series. Think Porsche is bad don't look at anything more exotic like Ferrari and Mclaren I've got several Porsche running clients who find the depreciation no worse that anything much more average from the other German manufacturers. However they all fund the cars themselves. If you get sucked into Porsche's high interest rate deals the figures become much less palatable (at least they do if you deal with Porsche Glasgow who give nothing away). Service costs are also eye watering from Porsche Glasgow. I have one client who takes his car to Porsche Perth, saves a significant amount on servicing and gets discount when he buys his cars. Sytner owned Porsche Glasgow don't know the meaning of the word discount or even reasonable. A very different price bracket to a new GTS but as I’ve said before, our Boxster is the cheapest car I’ve bought thanks to very low depreciation and surprisingly low servicing costs thanks to it being over 3 years old. The 718 pushing up used values of the 981 helped a lot, it didn’t depreciate at all in the last 18 months because it dropped and then came back up again. We used it properly as well, averaged just over 10,000 miles a year. I also wish we’d bought a 981 GTS. |
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 17, 2020 21:39:56 GMT
The GTS will be amazing, a better road car then the GT4 for sure. Speced mine on the configurator to 74K which is punchy but around 15k less then a GT4. Comparing them to more common stuff and bemoaning the spec is a little daft. You've got to look at the real cost of running a the car. With 5 year old 981 GTS still around 50k its has the same costs over the terms of ownership as a 3 or 5 series. I specced one last night and got to £73,500 or thereabouts (before OTR costs). I didn't go for the bucket seats that I have on the GT4. If I were to go for the same seats on each model, it's about £9k less than the 718 GT4 in 'my' spec. I agree that the GTS would definitely be a better road car. A mate of mine has a black 981 Boxster GTS which he bought in 2015 I think, when the car was about 1 year old. To his shame, he has done less than 5000 miles in it since buying it, and it has less miles on it than my GT4 which is hardly racking them up (it's at about 10,600 now). My decision sometime next year will be whether I keep my GT4 or perhaps move to this new GTS. Genuinely torn on the matter. The GT4 is obviously more special, but the GTS is a lot more usable for the vast majority of my needs. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 17, 2020 22:12:53 GMT
How do we go from Awesome Porsches to boxy Volvos! Exactly, who in their right mind would do that? Fuck, err yeah who would do such a thing!!!🤔😂😂😂 |
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