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Jan 11, 2020 10:06:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:06:30 GMT
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Jan 11, 2020 10:20:58 GMT
Post by Sav on Jan 11, 2020 10:20:58 GMT
Judging from the PCP deals BMW have offered and the deposit contributions, the only way to shift them is to almost give them away.
BMW, without much publicity, has introduced a new backbox for the M340i. It sounds lush, at least in America, where they don't have particulate filters. I fear yet again, the single turbo B58 is going to sound much nicer than the twin-turbo S58. BMW got the sound of the N54 absolutely right, but the S55 just sounded horrific. S58 looks to be the same.
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Jan 11, 2020 10:25:14 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2020 10:25:14 GMT
I’ve not read anything good about it.
Used values are dropping like a stone as well, so good for those who want an M SUV and aren’t bothered about how a car drives.
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Jan 11, 2020 10:28:03 GMT
Post by Sav on Jan 11, 2020 10:28:03 GMT
Does the big performance SUV work for the customer? Given the popularity of SUV's, it seems like a silly question. But I can't remember the last time I saw an X5M for example, I've seen plenty M5's.
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Jan 11, 2020 10:29:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:29:06 GMT
A horrible car for the Wrong Sort. And if they think the current M3/4 engine sounds good, this must be really shit...
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Jan 11, 2020 10:31:10 GMT
Post by Sav on Jan 11, 2020 10:31:10 GMT
A horrible car for the Wrong Sort. And if they think the current M3/4 engine sounds good, this must be really shit... So true.
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Jan 11, 2020 11:02:31 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2020 11:02:31 GMT
I just don't get the X3M, X4M or even X5M. SUV's are supposed to be great family wagons with space, a bit of height and a good bit of comfort - not something that can outpace most serious sports cars in a straight line and cause spine damage on our crappy roads.
My wife's 30D provides more than enough speed for overtaking and dismissing 99% of irritants. I think BMW have gone down rather a lot of wrong roads over the past 5 or 6 years in particular and they should just concentrate on designing and making good looking, sporty but comfortable cars. An E46 M3 would feel like a limousine in comparison to the X3M but would bring much more driving enjoyment if not quite as much outright pace.
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Jan 11, 2020 11:32:41 GMT
Post by PG on Jan 11, 2020 11:32:41 GMT
The pricing sounds utterly comedic, but I guess that is before the 6 gazillion support BMW throw at you to induce you to get one. I love this sentence from the article - "...if it didn’t ride like a Victorian ox-cart being slowly towed over a furrowed field in mid-summer."
I think that manufacturers and buyers need to reach some sort of workable compromise. In this blinger world, looks are important and therefore more people like the sporty "M" look than the unsporty "SE" look. I'm as guilty of that as the next person. But 99% of the time, they don't need the power or the handling (or in many cases just overly stiff suspension) that these cars have. So if you still buy the power as you might like it to be there, at least the manufacturers could sort out the bloody awful ride that seems to come with it in too many cases.
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Jan 11, 2020 12:58:03 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2020 12:58:03 GMT
I just don't get the X3M, X4M or even X5M. SUV's are supposed to be great family wagons with space, a bit of height and a good bit of comfort - not something that can outpace most serious sports cars in a straight line and cause spine damage on our crappy roads. My wife's 30D provides more than enough speed for overtaking and dismissing 99% of irritants. I think BMW have gone down rather a lot of wrong roads over the past 5 or 6 years in particular and they should just concentrate on designing and making good looking, sporty but comfortable cars. An E46 M3 would feel like a limousine in comparison to the X3M but would bring much more driving enjoyment if not quite as much outright pace. I kind of get the bigger ones if you really need the extra space, but still want a decent petrol engine. Makes more sense to me than an X3/X4 diesel over an estate car.
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Jan 11, 2020 13:26:32 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2020 13:26:32 GMT
I just don't get the X3M, X4M or even X5M. SUV's are supposed to be great family wagons with space, a bit of height and a good bit of comfort - not something that can outpace most serious sports cars in a straight line and cause spine damage on our crappy roads. My wife's 30D provides more than enough speed for overtaking and dismissing 99% of irritants. I think BMW have gone down rather a lot of wrong roads over the past 5 or 6 years in particular and they should just concentrate on designing and making good looking, sporty but comfortable cars. An E46 M3 would feel like a limousine in comparison to the X3M but would bring much more driving enjoyment if not quite as much outright pace. I kind of get the bigger ones if you really need the extra space, but still want a decent petrol engine. Makes more sense to me than an X3/X4 diesel over an estate car. I think I am maybe the opposite. I would take an RS4/RS6/E63 estate over any of the M SUV's but having had an X4 and an X5 30D, I think they fit the bill perfectly and the diesel suits the larger heavy format of an SUV much better than petrol. The X4 averages 34mpg with plenty of short trips and will do an easy 40mpg on the motorway. I know an estate would do the same job but (at the moment) my wife enjoys her higher driving position and at 5.6s to 60 she is seldom short of grunt.
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Jan 11, 2020 14:55:17 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2020 14:55:17 GMT
I kind of get the bigger ones if you really need the extra space, but still want a decent petrol engine. Makes more sense to me than an X3/X4 diesel over an estate car. I think I am maybe the opposite. I would take an RS4/RS6/E63 estate over any of the M SUV's but having had an X4 and an X5 30D, I think they fit the bill perfectly and the diesel suits the larger heavy format of an SUV much better than petrol. The X4 averages 34mpg with plenty of short trips and will do an easy 40mpg on the motorway. I know an estate would do the same job but (at the moment) my wife enjoys her higher driving position and at 5.6s to 60 she is seldom short of grunt. I’d go for the same as you, my point was that the big SUVs can start to make sense if you need extra space eg need to transport 5 people regularly. An X4 isn’t easy to defend, but that’s a good effort!
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Jan 11, 2020 17:49:06 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 11, 2020 17:49:06 GMT
The biggest issue I have with SUVs is that they squander vertical space because of the pretence of being able to "off-road". MPVs were much better as the lower floorpan gave a much more voluminous interior, but somehow very few of us desired MPVs and they have all but died out. Even the Scenic was restyled/re-engineered to look like an SUV, robbing it of a lot of practicality
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Jan 13, 2020 13:00:13 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 13, 2020 13:00:13 GMT
Judging from the PCP deals BMW have offered and the deposit contributions, the only way to shift them is to almost give them away. BMW, without much publicity, has introduced a new backbox for the M340i. It sounds lush, at least in America, where they don't have particulate filters. I fear yet again, the single turbo B58 is going to sound much nicer than the twin-turbo S58. BMW got the sound of the N54 absolutely right, but the S55 just sounded horrific. S58 looks to be the same. Oddly enough the B58 in my car in fact sounds lovely. So nice in fact that I didn't so far bother with a sports exhaust (unlike on the M135i where I did) for fear of ruining it. And contemporary road tests of the 440i when it was launched confirmed that it was not just my ears.
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Jan 14, 2020 10:06:25 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 14, 2020 10:06:25 GMT
A byproduct of trying to cram a product into every possible niche or creating niches that weren't there before then hurriedly cramming something into it.
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Jan 14, 2020 11:05:35 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jan 14, 2020 11:05:35 GMT
I'd love a Stelvio QV or F-Pace SVR as a daily. Think they'd be a riot. The X3m looks great but I couldn't live with the ride quality.
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Jan 14, 2020 11:15:16 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 14, 2020 11:15:16 GMT
At a party on Friday night, I ran into a friend of mine who currently drives a V8 Cayenne. He confided to me that he'd recently tested the Stelvio Quadrifoglio as a potential replacement for the Porker and that he had found it absolutely epic. Sounds like he's going to get one - you can pick them up used now for not much over £50k.
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Jan 14, 2020 11:56:39 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2020 11:56:39 GMT
I'd love a Stelvio QV or F-Pace SVR as a daily. Think they'd be a riot. The X3m looks great but I couldn't live with the ride quality. They’re both cheaper than you’d think on PCP, but I’d have to wait for a face lift F Pace.
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Jan 14, 2020 11:59:14 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 14, 2020 11:59:14 GMT
I'd love a Stelvio QV or F-Pace SVR as a daily. Think they'd be a riot. The X3m looks great but I couldn't live with the ride quality. They’re both cheaper than you’d think on PCP, but I’d have to wait for a face lift F Pace. He's Italian...
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Jan 14, 2020 12:10:46 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2020 12:10:46 GMT
They’re both cheaper than you’d think on PCP, but I’d have to wait for a face lift F Pace. He's Italian... I didn’t mean I’d only have an F Pace over a Stelvio, just that an F Pace would have to have a better interior than the current one to be of serious interest. Sounds like the Stelvio has improved recently as well, which will help as well. A colleague has one, I’ve only had a short passenger ride in it, but was impressed by the way it goes and sounds, but it does need to be in race mode to sound really good. A switchable exhaust would be better.
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Jan 14, 2020 12:15:36 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 14, 2020 12:15:36 GMT
I'd love a Stelvio QV or F-Pace SVR as a daily. Think they'd be a riot. The X3m looks great but I couldn't live with the ride quality. They’re both cheaper than you’d think on PCP, but I’d have to wait for a face lift F Pace. Not that cheap. It looks remarkably cheap: www.carwow.co.uk/alfa-romeo/stelvio-quadrifoglio/deals£385/month is eye-catching. But then you realise there is no mention of the deposit amount and, reverse-engineering the maths, to get to £385, you need a deposit of slightly over £17k (!!) to get the monthlies down as low as £385. Not so cheap after all. When you tot up the deposit and monthlies, effectively that's £31k over 3 years, or slightly over 10k per year. Plus then a balloon payment of nigh-on £40k, which looks ambitious given year old examples are already yours for not much over £55k.
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Jan 14, 2020 12:50:25 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2020 12:50:25 GMT
They’re both cheaper than you’d think on PCP, but I’d have to wait for a face lift F Pace. Not that cheap. It looks remarkably cheap: www.carwow.co.uk/alfa-romeo/stelvio-quadrifoglio/deals£385/month is eye-catching. But then you realise there is no mention of the deposit amount and, reverse-engineering the maths, to get to £385, you need a deposit of slightly over £17k (!!) to get the monthlies down as low as £385. Not so cheap after all. When you tot up the deposit and monthlies, effectively that's £31k over 3 years, or slightly over 10k per year. Plus then a balloon payment of nigh-on £40k, which looks ambitious given year old examples are already yours for not much over £55k. The Alfa configurator has a finance calculator so you can looks at various options. The balloon was high iirc but as long as you’re aware of that going in it’s OK.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:19:53 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 14, 2020 13:19:53 GMT
It's very cheap when you consider how that LR would sting you about the same for a moderately specced Velar P300 HSE, which has half the cylinder count and 2/3rds the power.
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Jan 14, 2020 15:26:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 15:26:47 GMT
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Jan 14, 2020 15:30:55 GMT
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Jan 14, 2020 16:43:08 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 14, 2020 16:43:08 GMT
I forgot that the QF was not a V8...
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Jan 14, 2020 16:51:13 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2020 16:51:13 GMT
Alfa are doing deposit contributions on the lower end Stelvios, so there may be a deal to be had? Then again, maybe the QF sells itself? Minimum 11% discount, which is £8k and they’ll offer £4,500 without being asked.
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Jan 14, 2020 17:17:39 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 14, 2020 17:17:39 GMT
They were also doing 3 years free servicing and 5 years roadside assistance in the run up to Christmas. I think regardless of manufacturer, they are all so desperate for sales that there must be some fantastic deals to be had.
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Jan 14, 2020 22:30:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:30:13 GMT
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Jan 15, 2020 11:33:44 GMT
Post by Ben on Jan 15, 2020 11:33:44 GMT
I don't get the point of this either, but apparently the X3 M40i was the M Division's best seller in 2018, which then tipped them over into doing this.
They should just have stopped at that IMO.
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Jan 15, 2020 12:23:20 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 15, 2020 12:23:20 GMT
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