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Jul 22, 2019 14:03:38 GMT
Post by johnc on Jul 22, 2019 14:03:38 GMT
I had to go and see a client on Sunday which involved about 50 miles on decent roads - some twisty, some dual carriageway and some decent A roads. However it was pouring and I discovered that the 4WD system in the M5 is considerably different to the one in my 435D: as I pulled out for a near full bore overtake (and I was only in Sport, not Sport +), the rear tyres gave up grip, the tail slid gently wide and then the power must have been shifted to the front, at which point it just straightened up and I was passing the red metallic Kia in less than the blink of an eye. The 435D would just have launched forward with no hint of wheelspin or slip, so it is certainly a more entertaining setup in the M5 but perhaps I will need to show it a bit more respect in slippery conditions although I appreciate I should have been showing it a bit of respect all along. I might also keep Sport Plus for dry days without other road users.
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Jul 22, 2019 15:05:06 GMT
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Post by bryan on Jul 22, 2019 15:05:06 GMT
It sounds like the M5 is giving you a degree of fun before the safety kicks in....
I have used sport+ loads this week to dispatch slow campervan in the Highlands. The roads have generally been deserted and great fun, I wish I was in the 911 or Elan. Have you plans to bring the M5 up.
Weather is pants, raining non stop all week and it is 25C plus back in Derby!
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Jul 22, 2019 15:07:46 GMT
Post by Martin on Jul 22, 2019 15:07:46 GMT
Full bore the in the M5 is on a whole other level to it in the 435d, so maybe that's part of the difference and doesn't Sport give you 4WD Sport?
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Jul 22, 2019 15:42:48 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jul 22, 2019 15:42:48 GMT
Does Sport knock the drivers aids down over the standard setting?
I guess its easily forgotten given the advancement of tyre tech but the only thing keeping near 600hp from spitting you into the weeds is the black contact patches on each corner.
What tyres does the car run on?
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Jul 22, 2019 16:02:42 GMT
Post by johnc on Jul 22, 2019 16:02:42 GMT
Full bore the in the M5 is on a whole other level to it in the 435d, so maybe that's part of the difference and doesn't Sport give you 4WD Sport? My M1 button keeps comfort for steering and suspension and sport for throttle etc. I checked it this morning and it is set up to give 4WD Sport so that's a bit of slip. The M2 button is max on everything which is too much for the road (the suspension and steering are in stiff/hard mode, the gear changes are in fastest mode and it holds onto revs and doesn't want to change up unless it is on the red line) I will change the settings on M2 to something I might be able to use on the road.
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Jul 22, 2019 16:10:02 GMT
Post by Martin on Jul 22, 2019 16:10:02 GMT
Full bore the in the M5 is on a whole other level to it in the 435d, so maybe that's part of the difference and doesn't Sport give you 4WD Sport? My M1 button keeps comfort for steering and suspension and sport for throttle etc. I checked it this morning and it is set up to give 4WD Sport so that's a bit of slip. The M2 button is max on everything which is too much for the road (the suspension and steering are in stiff/hard mode, the gear changes are in fastest mode and it holds onto revs and doesn't want to change up unless it is on the red line) I will change the settings on M2 to something I might be able to use on the road. Yes, 4WD Sport will be the main reason it moved around initially. Having 2 x Individual settings is good, you could have one for the dry and the other for wet (normal 4WD). I've got 2 x Individual settings, but one of them is for Eco Pro mode so I don't use it.... Having the suspension and steering in Sport and engine/gearbox in Comfort is how I've got Sport Individual set, which is perfect for A/B roads if you're pressing on a bit. Sport suspension is a long way from being too firm and it locks down the active anti roll bars so it covers ground really nicely.
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Jul 22, 2019 16:15:44 GMT
Post by johnc on Jul 22, 2019 16:15:44 GMT
Does Sport knock the drivers aids down over the standard setting? I guess its easily forgotten given the advancement of tyre tech but the only thing keeping near 600hp from spitting you into the weeds is the black contact patches on each corner. What tyres does the car run on? Pressing the Sport button on its own just sharpens up throttle response etc but keeps the nanny employed (although she's pretty laid back even when supposed to be on full time duty). I have the sport throttle set up on the M1 button but when I looked at it this morning it was on 4WD Sport for traction etc so that's a half way house position and allows some slip angle. The tyres are Pirelli PZero's and I would far prefer if it had been fitted with the Pilot Sport 4S but I had to take what it had. I am sure the tyres are a major contributing factor. Coincidentally, I am just back from the post office where I parked behind a local fast boy in his A45. As I got out the car, he stuck his head out the window and the conversation went along the lines of: "Nice car mate, love the colour. Those wing mirrors are f*cking mental though aren't they. Are they special? Like the wheels but how do you find them Pirelli's? I told him I wasn't keen on them when it was wet and he responded. "Naw mate they're f*cking pish in the rain. Naw they're just f*cking pish. Need to get yursel a set o' Proxies"
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Jul 22, 2019 16:30:44 GMT
Post by johnc on Jul 22, 2019 16:30:44 GMT
Have you plans to bring the M5 up. As in further North than Glasgow, not really I'm afraid Bryan. I might get to Helensburgh later this week but hardly up north. We were getting weather warnings for Glasgow but they changed them this morning to say the heavy rain would be further north - it hasn't rained at all today. I think you need to come south a bit to Perth or go over to the likes of Crinan on the west or across to the east and St Andrews: the weather looks much better than the north.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:54:49 GMT
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Post by bryan on Jul 22, 2019 18:54:49 GMT
Have you plans to bring the M5 up. As in further North than Glasgow, not really I'm afraid Bryan. I might get to Helensburgh later this week but hardly up north. We were getting weather warnings for Glasgow but they changed them this morning to say the heavy rain would be further north - it hasn't rained at all today. I think you need to come south a bit to Perth or go over to the likes of Crinan on the west or across to the east and St Andrews: the weather looks much better than the north. We have a holiday cottage/flat in Newtonmore for the week. Fort William glen finnian train today, loch Ness boat and Inverness tomorrow, Balmoral, west coast 500 parts on the list as well as catching up with some friends near banchory. May do John o groats Really showing up the short range in the Merc, filling up daily!
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Jul 22, 2019 19:33:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 19:33:05 GMT
PS4Ss are epic in the wet, and the dry. You won't regret a change in due course.
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Jul 22, 2019 20:37:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:37:35 GMT
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Jul 22, 2019 21:05:25 GMT
Post by Stuntman on Jul 22, 2019 21:05:25 GMT
Another vote for PS4S tyres.
My M3 only has one M button setting and I have it in Comfort for suspension (softest of 3 options), Normal for steering (only 2 choices, Normal and Sport), Sport Plus for the throttle (sharpest of 3 options) and M Dynamic Mode for the stability control (the half-way-house setting between locked down and fully off).
This setup makes an appreciable difference to the liveliness of the car without buggering up its usability.
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Jul 23, 2019 8:13:15 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 23, 2019 8:13:15 GMT
As in further North than Glasgow, not really I'm afraid Bryan. I might get to Helensburgh later this week but hardly up north. We were getting weather warnings for Glasgow but they changed them this morning to say the heavy rain would be further north - it hasn't rained at all today. I think you need to come south a bit to Perth or go over to the likes of Crinan on the west or across to the east and St Andrews: the weather looks much better than the north. We have a holiday cottage/flat in Newtonmore for the week. Fort William glen finnian train today, loch Ness boat and Inverness tomorrow, Balmoral, west coast 500 parts on the list as well as catching up with some friends near banchory. May do John o groats Really showing up the short range in the Merc, filling up daily! We were up in Fort William last week - it must be the rainiest place in Scotland. If you want to head North don't go to John O Groats, head up the west side past Ullapool, it's 100 times nicer. Just watch out for crazy German motorcyclists. The visitor centre at Glenfinnan (which is for the Bonnie Prince Charlie monument rather than the Harry Potter bridge) was full of tourists last week - it's on the tour bus stop list clearly.
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Jul 23, 2019 9:15:26 GMT
Post by johnc on Jul 23, 2019 9:15:26 GMT
Another vote for PS4S tyres. My M3 only has one M button setting and I have it in Comfort for suspension (softest of 3 options), Normal for steering (only 2 choices, Normal and Sport), Sport Plus for the throttle (sharpest of 3 options) and M Dynamic Mode for the stability control (the half-way-house setting between locked down and fully off). This setup makes an appreciable difference to the liveliness of the car without buggering up its usability. Mine has so many variables and you can mix and match in any way you want. The throttle/TC/Stability control has Efficient, Sport, Sport Plus and 2WD with no nanny The steering has Efficient, Sport and Sport Plus. I can deal with either Efficient or Sport but Sport Plus just makes you think the power steering has broken at anything less than about 50mph. The suspension has Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus. Comfort is great for 95% of all journeys, Sport firms things up a bit but still very reasonable once the speed is above 40mph and Sport Plus has you steering round changes in tarmac colour. I can set any combination of those up in the M buttons together with choosing the speed of the gear change and how long it holds a gear. All of these things can also be selected on their own through buttons on the central consul, so if I was driving in the gentlest of all settings and wanted to firm up the suspension I can move to Sport with one push of the button and Sport Plus with 2 pushes so it is massively adjustable. The gear change speed can be changed between one and 3, on its own, from buttons on top of the gear lever and I tend to keep it in the lowest setting - my rapid bursts of acceleration tend to be in overtaking so once I am past, I just want it to change into the next gear as I lift off. However in setting 2 and definitely in 3, the car doesn't want to change gear and holds on to the gear for ages meaning that when you lift off and pull back in, there is way too much engine braking and it's difficult to keep things smooth. One the road, the only 2 gears you can legally redline are first and second!! (the rev limiter is very smooth and just tails the power away)
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Jul 23, 2019 11:29:16 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Jul 23, 2019 11:29:16 GMT
I'm a philistine when it comes to all this. The Focus has tc off only, the GT4 has Sport which it sits in permanently and a hard suspension button that is for track only. That's it. I really don't think I could engage with so much choice.
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Jul 23, 2019 11:40:52 GMT
Post by Martin on Jul 23, 2019 11:40:52 GMT
I don’t have as many options as the M5 in either car but I like being able to set up an individual mode. In the Golf, comfort is selected most of the time and a pull back on the shift lever gives you sport auto when you want to accelerate more quickly. My settings in Individual are suspension in normal, steering/throttle/ACC/lights in Race and engine (the fake sound) in Eco. I don’t use the other settings or change individual, so I’ve only got two options, one for comfort and the other for fun.
The BMW sits in Adaptive the vast majority of the time as it uses voodoo magic to ensure its in the optimum settings.
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Jul 23, 2019 11:42:25 GMT
Post by franki68 on Jul 23, 2019 11:42:25 GMT
I'm a philistine when it comes to all this. The Focus has tc off only, the GT4 has Sport which it sits in permanently and a hard suspension button that is for track only. That's it. I really don't think I could engage with so much choice. Me too,never enjoyed any car that gives you 5 choices say of gearshift speed,or 6 different steering settings,its just not for me .
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Jul 23, 2019 12:18:45 GMT
Post by johnc on Jul 23, 2019 12:18:45 GMT
I think now I have the settings I like the most, I will not change them. However the ability to change each setting independently and then set up default programs is great. I now have basically 3 settings: it defaults to comfort and normal settings from start up. The M1 button adds the Sport setting for the throttle and the M2 button gives me the full beans.
I tried using the paddles all the time but it became tiring with 8 gears. The car will cruise along in 6th at 30mph and 8th from about 40mph but if you want a quick overtake on an A road you have to drop at least 4 gears and that becomes a bit difficult to keep up with when you go from cruise mode to full bore. It is so much easier to leave it in auto but for maximum driving involvement I can understand why some of you prefer a proper manual box.
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Jul 23, 2019 12:34:48 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jul 23, 2019 12:34:48 GMT
If you want to head North don't go to John O Groats Full Stop. If you are contemplating going there, make sure you head to the Castle of Mey www.castleofmey.org.uk/formerly owned by HM Queen Mother; an amazing place IMHO. I went a few years ago; JoG appeared to be a campsite and a collection of tacky souvenir shops, plus a white post bearing the legend "John O'Groats"
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Jul 23, 2019 13:44:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 13:44:10 GMT
JoG has never been much of anything. First time I visited in 1987 the 'hotel' (Cough) was a spit and sawdust pub with five visitors and a pool table with no white ball. Five days from London to Kirkwall using nothing but public transport and a bicycle. Even though they built it up a bit it failed to attract the visitor number it needed. Just looked on satellite view and the ?hotel? is a boarded up "Are we there yet" establishment that suggests it has a long way to go before it 'gets' anywhere.
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Jul 23, 2019 19:08:57 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jul 23, 2019 19:08:57 GMT
A little bit of "electronic digging": I was there on 7 May 2012
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Jul 23, 2019 21:05:40 GMT
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Post by bryan on Jul 23, 2019 21:05:40 GMT
Sounds just like lands end! Some of the west coast is def6on the list.
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Jul 24, 2019 10:17:06 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 24, 2019 10:17:06 GMT
We've quite regularly gone up the west coast on holiday, I reckon the best bits are north of Fort William all the way up past Ullapool and right to the very top. However its a couple of years since we were last up there and I've heard the NC500 thing has really taken off now so the roads might be a lot busier.
The latest issue of cAR mag has a reader test drive of sporty 2 doors and the guy - from Glasgow - says one of his favourite routes is Oban to Fort William. That made me smile as whenever I've been on that stretch you're either doing 15mph in a queue behind a cyclist (it's twisty and not particularly wide for an A road) or still in a queue but doing between 35 and 50 and with an impatient logging truck right up your chuff.
At least further north the roads a re a bit straighter with good views of hills/mountains and also what's coming the other way.
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Jul 24, 2019 12:46:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 12:46:28 GMT
Must be better than the A9 north of Inverness although when I was last there it was riddled with road works. More speed traps than visitors and the traffic was pretty horrendous.....
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Jul 24, 2019 20:06:30 GMT
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Post by bryan on Jul 24, 2019 20:06:30 GMT
The traffic up here is surprisingly light unless heading tourist areas, just assume every 19plate is an incompetenly driven hire car.
Plan tomorrow is west coast, Aviemore to Inverness, ullapool then left down the coast to the Skye road, across to fort William and back to Aviemore.
Would I be better turning right at Ullapool?
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Jul 25, 2019 8:18:32 GMT
Post by Tim on Jul 25, 2019 8:18:32 GMT
You could go last Ullapool, up to Kylescu (that has the bridge that was on the front cover of EVO a few issues back when they tested the McLaren Senna) and then eventually to Laxford Bridge where you turn right and head down past Loch Shin to Lairg.
If you do that you'll see some of the more traditional Scottish mountain areas.
However turning left at Ullapool (it's actually about 10 miles short of there) takes you round by Gairloch, etc which is pleasant enough.
It's quite a lot of driving whatever route you take.
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