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Post by LandieMark on Jun 4, 2019 17:59:41 GMT
I have been looking on and off, not massively seriously, for an old tractor. I set a budget of £3,000 max. I nearly blew it at the weekend bidding on a Massey Ferguson 65 but it went way above expected. A friend bought two - a Massey 185 and a 135. I drove the 185 from Haltwhistle to the farm near Slaley and it was great fun. I went to look at my friend's David Brown 1210 this afternoon. It's too big. Lindsey couldn't reach the pedals. It was also a non power steering model and I didn't like the driving position. I used to have a Leyland 270 with a loader, but sold it when we wound down the stables. It was in need of some attention to the gearbox and engine. The tinwork was tidy enough though. I now wish I hadn't sold it, but there you go. Anyway, a workmate knew of a guy with a couple of Leylands for sale so I went and had a look.   The one on the right is a 472 and a rare beast indeed. It was nearly double my budget. The one on the left is a 384 which is identical in nearly every way to a 270, but the earlier version before the model number changed. This particular example is actually identical to a 270 in everything other than the rear mudguards as it was one of the very last 384s. This is a good thing as it has the later engine that went into the 270 and is about 70bhp. I collect it Friday. Luckily, it isn't too far to drive it back home. 😁 |
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Jun 4, 2019 18:12:25 GMT
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Post by michael on Jun 4, 2019 18:12:25 GMT
I’m going to assume it needs a new chassis...
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Jun 4, 2019 18:18:30 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 4, 2019 18:18:30 GMT
Tractors don't really have a chassis. The engine is bolted to the gearbox, frame attached to the engine and the front axle bolted to that. 😜
In all honesty, it's very tidy. It's in its "working clothes" which I like in a tractor.
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Post by michael on Jun 4, 2019 20:09:19 GMT
Does working clothes mean you won't restore it? I'm glad you're happy with it, I have limited experience with tractors but it's fair to say they've grown a bit. A friend of mine has just taken delivery of a new Fendt (the Audi driver of the tractor world, I'm told) and it's huge. Yours looks not that much bigger than my garden tractor!
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Jun 4, 2019 20:14:56 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 4, 2019 20:14:56 GMT
Looks like lots of fun to be had with that. Seems to be lacking a roll over frame, though.
Some colleagues at work have collections of old tractors and I would join them if I had the space.
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 4, 2019 20:22:12 GMT
Does working clothes mean you won't restore it? I'm glad you're happy with it, I have limited experience with tractors but it's fair to say they've grown a bit. A friend of mine has just taken delivery of a new Fendt (the Audi driver of the tractor world, I'm told) and it's huge. Yours looks not that much bigger than my garden tractor! Fendts are the Ferrari of tractors with a price tag to match. I'm not going to paint it. It needs the lights wiring up, but everything else works. It's bigger than it looks in the photos. I've been rocking about in these over the last couple of weeks. The Deutz felt awesome with a 12 tonne trailer behind it at 32mph. Cars seemed to get out of the way without issue. I think the term is road presence! 😁      |
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 4, 2019 20:23:41 GMT
Looks like lots of fun to be had with that. Seems to be lacking a roll over frame, though. Some colleagues at work have collections of old tractors and I would join them if I had the space. I'm not that concerned, it isn't going to be doing a lot of work, but if I can find one I will fit one. |
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Jun 4, 2019 20:31:24 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 4, 2019 20:31:24 GMT
Does working clothes mean you won't restore it? I'm glad you're happy with it, I have limited experience with tractors but it's fair to say they've grown a bit. A friend of mine has just taken delivery of a new Fendt (the Audi driver of the tractor world, I'm told) and it's huge. Yours looks not that much bigger than my garden tractor! Fendts are the Ferrari of tractors with a price tag to match. I'm not going to paint it. It needs the lights wiring up, but everything else works. It's bigger than it looks in the photos. I've been rocking about in these over the last couple of weeks. The Deutz felt awesome with a 12 tonne trailer behind it at 32mph. Cars seemed to get out of the way without issue. I think the term is road presence! 😁 The Case and Same are a trip down memory lane for me. Modern tractors are waaay more advanced even than a few years ago. ISOBUS controls, auto headland management, air brakes and GPS field mapping are all but taken for granted now. At work I let the technicians do the demo driving and keep well away from the driving seat. |
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Jun 4, 2019 20:36:30 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 4, 2019 20:36:30 GMT
The Deutz, the 1455XL behind sold at the sale. The 956XL didn't sell, but the Same went for good money. The JCB went (the articulating loader took some getting used to, especially as it only had about 200 hours on it) but he's kept the Terex.
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Post by Tim on Jun 5, 2019 8:31:40 GMT
My old boss had a couple of old tractors including a fully restored David Brown that looks suspiciously like a 1210 (it had a cab).
Some of the modern tractors are HUGE - I met one coming the other way at the weekend in the narrow bit in the middle of Cupar and felt like I should've probably reversed to let him past!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 5, 2019 9:07:55 GMT
Am I the only one who can't say the word "tractor" without sounding like one of The Worzels?
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Post by johnc on Jun 5, 2019 11:49:15 GMT
Am I the only one who can't say the word "tractor" without sounding like one of The Worzels? Were they not more into their Combine Harvesters? |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 5, 2019 12:01:42 GMT
Am I the only one who can't say the word "tractor" without sounding like one of The Worzels? Were they not more into their Combine Harvesters? Don't give Mark ideas.. |
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Post by PG on Jun 7, 2019 16:26:55 GMT
I'm sure it'll do you years of good service. Tractors hold their value amazingly really.
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 7, 2019 21:18:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 23:02:36 GMT
You'll have it "Purring like a kitten in no time Captain". Sorry, Trek quote.
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Jun 8, 2019 6:41:46 GMT
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Post by Andy C on Jun 8, 2019 6:41:46 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 8, 2019 7:13:38 GMT
I see you have done the usual old tractor trick of parking it at the top of a slope, ready for a rolling bump start  |
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Jul 4, 2019 21:24:12 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 4, 2019 21:24:12 GMT
I've been fiddling.
It has had a new battery and alternator. The diode pack had failed and killed the battery while I was on holiday.
I've flushed the cooling system and replaced the temperature sender. It is running cool so I have ordered a new thermostat.
It has a couple of oil leaks which I'm not concerned about (it's an old British tractor) and the work involved to fix them is disproportionate to the use it is getting.
I've fitted new lights today and wired the headlights. 4.5" sealed beam units! I have the rear end lights to finish off and new wires to install.
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Jul 4, 2019 21:58:46 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 4, 2019 21:58:46 GMT
I've been fiddling. It has had a new battery and alternator. The diode pack had failed and killed the battery while I was on holiday. I've flushed the cooling system and replaced the temperature sender. It is running cool so I have ordered a new thermostat. It has a couple of oil leaks which I'm not concerned about (it's an old British tractor) and the work involved to fix them is disproportionate to the use it is getting. I've fitted new lights today and wired the headlights. 4.5" sealed beam units! I have the rear end lights to finish off and new wires to install. And so it begins... 😀 |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 5, 2019 6:58:12 GMT
Yes, but tractors don't have chassis , do they ??
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 5, 2019 7:44:40 GMT
Not really. The gearbox and rear end supports the wheels and the engine frame and front axle bolts to the front of that.
I've got most of the bits to take off the old fashioned fixed hitch and replace with a pickup hitch which will make Lindsey's life easier when she needs to connect a trailer. I need to source some lower link arm brackets as the lower hitch bolt pins are seized solid in these. The guy I bought it off has some.
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Jul 5, 2019 21:56:36 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 5, 2019 21:56:36 GMT
All the lights now work. The rear plough light needs wiring seperately as the original 6 position light switches are no longer available so I had to make do with a four position one. It currently comes on with the dipped headlights which isn't right.
The old switch would be Off, side, side & dipped, side & main, main & plough, plough. There would be 5 connections at the rear. The available switches only have 4 rear connections.
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 16, 2019 18:59:24 GMT
Pickup hitch fitted. It took a little fettling and adjustment, but as all the different bits came off different tractors, I can't complain.  |
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 23, 2019 18:25:14 GMT
I made it do some work today, and it was faultless. I had to set the adjustment for the auxiliary hydraulics as they were out of adjustment and simply didn't work, but once I had it sorted it was great. 30 degree heat at 1200 rpm static for several hours and the temperature gauge sat pretty much in the middle, as did oil pressure. I'm very happy with that. It split some serious logs too, so the hydraulic pump is working well. Maximum flow is 30 litres per minute, which is small by modern standards but more than up to the job in hand. The deal for borrowing my mates log splitter was to split his logs too (which is fine). I haven't finished yet - probably have another hour or so to do before I drop the machine off. It was lovely. Fantastic view, light breeze a cross the fell and the smell of warm diesel and oil.   |
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 29, 2019 17:27:41 GMT
I put my Logic flail mower on the local Agri buy and sell and someone came to look at the weekend. Sold for £2,250, which is about what I paid for it 5 years ago.
I'm going to look at a slightly larger tractor mounted mower tomorrow. It will be a lot easier to use as it isn't trailing (it hangs off the linkage) and a lot more powerful as it runs off the tractor PTO which is 50bhp as opposed to the Briggs V Twin which was 16bhp. That is £1500 which leaves plenty to get a tipping trailer for the muck.
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Jul 29, 2019 18:31:04 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 29, 2019 18:31:04 GMT
I put my Logic flail mower on the local Agri buy and sell and someone came to look at the weekend. Sold for £2,250, which is about what I paid for it 5 years ago. I'm going to look at a slightly larger tractor mounted mower tomorrow. It will be a lot easier to use as it isn't trailing (it hangs off the linkage) and a lot more powerful as it runs off the tractor PTO which is 50bhp as opposed to the Briggs V Twin which was 16bhp. That is £1500 which leaves plenty to get a tipping trailer for the muck. Sounds like a good plan, although from experience, you will probably need to budget for scrapping and replacing the PTO shaft. |
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 29, 2019 18:49:34 GMT
I'm going for a new one which comes with a new shaft. It won't be as robust as one of the big boys and I imagine the gearbox will be Chinese in origin, but for the use I give it, it should be more than up to the job and not too hard on my old tractor too. www.mdlpowerup.com/product/efgc-flail-mowers/ |
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Jul 29, 2019 19:47:06 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 29, 2019 19:47:06 GMT
I'm going for a new one which comes with a new shaft. It won't be as robust as one of the big boys and I imagine the gearbox will be Chinese in origin, but for the use I give it, it should be more than up to the job and not too hard on my old tractor too. www.mdlpowerup.com/product/efgc-flail-mowers/Fairy nuff. Ours are built like tanks but cost at least five times as much - more of a contractor's machine. |
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 29, 2019 20:27:27 GMT
Something like that may be overkill for my modest 5 acres. 😂
I wouldn't normally buy new, but being in the middle of the cutting season, there is nothing of use on the second hand market. The way I look at it, the new ones will still be the same price regardless of the time of year so I may as well. The second hand ones available are either dog rough or too big for the tractor.
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