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Post by racingteatray on May 2, 2017 14:55:32 GMT
So…another w/end away and another spin of the Avis wheel of fortune. This time at Munich airport where we were, in theory, due three days' use of a nav-equipped Golf for my princely £50. And the needle settled on another smart black Audi A3 saloon (fellow forummers may recall I experienced one of these previously in Milan in 2015).
The difference was that the Italian one had been a 1.6 TDi in "Ambition" spec, whereas this was a posh 2.0 TDi S-Line.
First things first, this really is a very wheel-sensitive design. Given that it had been snowing during the week before my arrival, it was still running on what looked like at best 16" winter alloys. Shirt-buttons in other words. And that made it look somewhat like a black slug compared to the rather elegant look these A3 saloons usually have on bigger rims. Plus, I'm not convinced that the new headlight design is an improvement on the old one – for my money the earlier design was prettier.
Secondly, this one was specced up to the nines with full sat-nav, xenons, a panoramic roof, B&O sound system (sounded great), full TFT dash, heated electric black leather and alcantara seats, radar cruise control, Apple Carplay, parking sensors, folding mirrors and probably much else besides I did not notice. A lot of car for £17/day.
Inside, notwithstanding the application of most of the options list, I still think it looks too spartan design-wise – this is a dash design I will never like. And it's all too unremittingly black and silver. But the fit and finish is impeccable, and it all feels high quality to the touch – the knurled metal knobs are light years ahead of their equivalents in my BMW. So you do find yourself warming to it and the new TFT screen is in particular really excellent (this is perhaps the only feature I regret my GC doesn't have versus the new LCI version). There's a little too much information on there perhaps but it's equally possible that there's a menu option I didn't find that simplifies the TFT display.
Generally speaking the driving position is good but it did take a while fiddling with the electric seat controls before I found a comfortable seating position. And as my wife noted, the bun-warmers are ferocious, roasting your arse uncomfortably within seconds of being switched on. The MMI system has improved a lot since last I met it. On balance I think it is still not quite as intuitive as the latest BMW iDrive system but it's pretty good all the same. And while I continue to like the fact that the screen can be retracted into the dash when not in use, it does mean the screen isn't all that large. The pano roof is great – lightens up the interior nicely but I have two observations: (i) it looks silly open with the slab of glass lying over the top of the roof and (ii) it's not actually all that meaningfully bigger than the non-pano version on my GC.
There's more than adequate space inside and a capacious boot (getting on for double the size of the one we encountered in a hybrid Golf TGI over Easter) – only the comparatively small opening (due to the shortish rear deck) is slightly awkward. Split folding rear seats as well I noticed, which is always useful.
Engine-wise, as noted it was a 2.0TDi with around 9,000kms on the clock, so well run-in. This was dieselly without being unpleasantly tractor-ish and it covered 350kms or so (including a high-speed blat to Regensburg and back on about a third of a tank of fuel, so economy is also good. Performance was good without being remarkable - it's a typical turbo-diesel in that there's plenty of mid-range punch for overtaking without it actually ever feeling particularly quick in normal driving. The only part that stood out was the sixth gear flexibility where it would smoothly sweep you from 120kph to 180kph in impressively short order. It also cruised at 200kph without the engine feeling remotely strained. That said, the engine-note did sound peculiarly off-beat (sort of thrumming) at higher speeds (not unpleasantly so, but just a bit odd). Also typical TDi in the sense that it's quite easy to stall when coming from a petrol engine. The manual gear-change was typically VAG-slick and made it easy to surf the torque.
Handling-wise, it's all generally tidy. You could definitely hustle it down the road with a good degree of fluidity although I was a bit circumspect as regards the tyres given the temps had risen up as much as 16 degrees. However, and this might have been something to do with the steering or something to do with the teeny winter tyres, but it wasn't a particularly pleasant car to drive at high speed. The steering is genuinely horrible. No feel whatsoever and it had some sort of alarming lane control system that adds resistance to the steering and tries to tugs you back into line if you try to change lane without indicating. You also feel it kicking in on sharper motorway sweepers which is most disconcerting. And it's nervous at speed – not a car where you can sit at 180kph in a rock-solid oasis of calm like my GC (even on winter tyres). Instead it really requires you to grip the steering wheel and concentrate – constant corrections which is unnerving at autobahn speeds. It would be instructive to try the same car on normal wheels because the last A3 saloon I tried had neither the funny steering nor the winter wheels, and I don't recall it being problematic at high speeds (although admittedly I didn't hoof through Lombardy at quite the same rate as we did on the derestricted sections of autobahn).
All in all a good car but, like most 2.0TDI VAG products, more of a well-designed tool than anything else more inspirational.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 15:20:24 GMT
The wheels completely really do fuck it up aesthetically-speaking.
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Post by racingteatray on May 2, 2017 17:59:25 GMT
The wheels completely really do fuck it up aesthetically-speaking. Don't they just!
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Post by PG on May 2, 2017 19:40:36 GMT
The A3 saloon is a rare thing - a saloon version of a hatchback that looks better than the hatchback. Probably because it looks like an A4 from a couple of generations ago.
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Post by Martin on May 2, 2017 19:59:49 GMT
I really like the S3 saloon, but agree that the hire car looks seriously underwheeled which ruins it.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 6:56:00 GMT
The wheels completely really do fuck it up aesthetically-speaking. Don't they just! Almost as bad is my post, which I edited but didn't bother to re-read. I put in the 'really do' to make it clear you'd said this first, but it rather renders the 'completely' superfluous.
My head hangs in shame...
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Post by racingteatray on May 3, 2017 12:17:25 GMT
I thought you were adding emphasis...
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 3, 2017 14:45:09 GMT
The A3 saloon is a rare thing - a saloon version of a hatchback that looks better than the hatchback. Probably because it looks like an A4 from a couple of generations ago. I disagree. Trying to make a saloon out of small hatchbacks rarely works for me and this just makes me think of a Skoda Rapid or a Jetta. I always thought they did this sort of thing for the US market where they don't like hatchbacks. It is true that it is similar in size to the Audi A4 (B6 generation) but if you go back and look that had much better proportions.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 14:47:12 GMT
I must admit I prefer the A3 as a saloon.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 15:28:10 GMT
LED headlights on the S Line nowadays...
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Post by racingteatray on May 4, 2017 15:54:36 GMT
Probably they were LEDs. I didn't look. But looking at the pics, it has headlamp washers? I thought those weren't needed for LEDs?
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Post by Martin on May 4, 2017 16:06:50 GMT
LED headlights on the S Line nowadays... Yes, but you can upgrade to full voodoo Matrix LEDs, which will be better than the Xenons on the old model.
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Post by Big Blue on May 5, 2017 12:18:07 GMT
"short-term memory".
Does it forget where you parked it when you look on the iPhone app?
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Post by Alex on May 29, 2017 11:25:11 GMT
I must admit I prefer the A3 as a saloon. You can apparently get a 1 series as a saloon too, but it's FWD not RWD. Oh and you need to go to China to buy one.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 29, 2017 14:13:31 GMT
I must admit I prefer the A3 as a saloon. You can apparently get a 1 series as a saloon too, but it's FWD not RWD. Oh and you need to go to China to buy one. Perhaps it's based on the 2 series Active Tourer platform?
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Post by racingteatray on May 29, 2017 16:06:01 GMT
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Post by Martin on Aug 9, 2017 13:41:06 GMT
I booked a standard 4 door (Avis) for my latest trip to Ireland and was offered an A3 saloon as a free upgrade. I'm not sure it really is (apart from the badge and it being parked in a 'Premium' badged space), I took it as I've not driven an A3 since a test drive in a 3.2 V6 about 12 years ago.
It looks very very similar to the one in the pictures above, but is a 1.6tdi SE. It doesn't have the new digital dials, but is does have what I was convinced is part vinyl upholstery. Just had a look at the price list and Audi call it "Cloth / Mono Pur Upholstery (leather-like look and feel and cloth upholstery)". It looks and feels like vinyl, it's terrible!!
Overall it's a pretty decent spec, no Nav installed but Android Auto has sorted that and it has all the usual stuff like climate, cruise control etc plus B&O speakers which are pretty good now I've changed the settings. I've always thought the latest a3 interior looked very plain/dull, but there are some nice touches and it's comfortable. I still don't get all the fuss about Audi interiors, it's nice enough but nothing particularly special. It's no better than the Golf I had a few weeks ago and there are some cheap bits that let it down, the silver plastic rings on the air vents that control the flow being a good example.
It's only on 17" wheels, but feels very firm, which I'm fine with, but not when there's a lot of body roll. It's got more road noise than the Golf as well, but overall refinement is fine. The manual gear change is a bit notchy,but the worst hing about it is the steering....Zero feeling, it really is horrible.
There's too much hesitation from low revs and it's a noisy little thing, not quite as economical as I expected either. I drove about 180km up to Belfast from Dublin and it averaged 54mpg, but I took it steady so was expecting a bit more.
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Post by Martin on Aug 9, 2017 17:22:56 GMT
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Post by PG on Aug 9, 2017 17:27:40 GMT
.... but is does have what I was convinced is part vinyl upholstery. Just had a look at the price list and Audi call it "Cloth / Mono Pur Upholstery (leather-like look and feel and cloth upholstery)". It looks and feels like vinyl, it's terrible!! ...Overall it's a pretty decent spec, no Nav installed but Android Auto has sorted that and it has all the usual stuff like climate, cruise control etc plus B&O speakers which are pretty good now I've changed the settings. I've always thought the latest a3 interior looked very plain/dull, but there are some nice touches and it's comfortable. I still don't get all the fuss about Audi interiors, it's nice enough but nothing particularly special. It's no better than the Golf I had a few weeks ago and there are some cheap bits that let it down, the silver plastic rings on the air vents that control the flow being a good example. ... Well what's good enough for Mercedes is clearly OK for Audi too. But, let's face it, a vinyl seat is still a vinyl seat, whatever fancy name you call it. I think Audi interiors were at their best about 15 years ago. Since then, it's been downhill and others have gone up the hill enough for it to be much of a muchness now.
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Post by Tim on Aug 10, 2017 11:46:57 GMT
It really doesn't sound as if it has much to recommend it over any cheaper equivalents, except the 4 rings on the front & back.......
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 10, 2017 12:26:15 GMT
I don't understand the A3 saloon - if you don't want a hatchback Audi buy an A4. They are now talking of making the next generation A3 saloon bigger because customers have complained there is not enough rear legroom. Yes, that's why you buy the A4, numpties.
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Post by Martin on Aug 10, 2017 13:40:05 GMT
In the right spec, the A3 saloon is one of the best looking cars in the current range. A neighbor has a Daytona Grey S3, which looks great.
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Post by Martin on Aug 11, 2017 10:14:09 GMT
57.6 mpg, which assumes it was just as full when I picked it up. That's pretty good.
Mine felt great when I got back in it.
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