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M550d
Apr 26, 2017 17:37:52 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 26, 2017 17:37:52 GMT
Not confirmed for the UK yet, but it's the first new 5 series that I could be interested in. 394hp, 560lb-ft, xDrive, 0-60 in 4.2 secs.
That would be a pretty good Q car.
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M550d
Apr 26, 2017 20:50:07 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 26, 2017 20:50:07 GMT
Not confirmed for the UK yet, but it's the first new 5 series that I could be interested in. 394hp, 560lb-ft, xDrive, 0-60 in 4.2 secs. That would be a pretty good Q car. You could pull down a tree with that sort of torque! |
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M550d
Apr 26, 2017 20:51:15 GMT
Post by Roadrunner on Apr 26, 2017 20:51:15 GMT
Sounds good, but I do wonder whether diesel's days are numbered.
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M550d
Apr 26, 2017 20:55:36 GMT
Post by Blarno on Apr 26, 2017 20:55:36 GMT
4 turbos. That's one for every 1.5 cylinders.
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M550d
Apr 26, 2017 21:00:48 GMT
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Post by Martin on Apr 26, 2017 21:00:48 GMT
Sounds good, but I do wonder whether diesel's days are numbered. Yes, so do I. I could be tempted to go petrol next time, but at 30k+ miles a year, it's a lot of extra to spend on fuel assuming I want something with similar performance to what I'm used to. |
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 8:35:16 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 27, 2017 8:35:16 GMT
Sounds good, but I do wonder whether diesel's days are numbered. Yes, so do I. I could be tempted to go petrol next time, but at 30k+ miles a year, it's a lot of extra to spend on fuel assuming I want something with similar performance to what I'm used to. I reckon the new 530i isn't far off. It's a 2.0ltr turbo rated at 250bhp with CO2 emissions of just 132g so fuel economy won't be far off of what you're getting. |
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 12:26:30 GMT
Post by Blarno on Apr 27, 2017 12:26:30 GMT
If you believe those figures! Not like the manufacturers to lace us with bullshit, is it?.....
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 12:38:58 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 27, 2017 12:38:58 GMT
Yes, so do I. I could be tempted to go petrol next time, but at 30k+ miles a year, it's a lot of extra to spend on fuel assuming I want something with similar performance to what I'm used to. I reckon the new 530i isn't far off. It's a 2.0ltr turbo rated at 250bhp with CO2 emissions of just 132g so fuel economy won't be far off of what you're getting. That's going to be awful. My 320 with 180BHP is pretty gutless low down/laggy so upping the output isn't going to improve that, unless they've added some hybrid stuff to fill in the torque shortfall?
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 13:43:10 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 27, 2017 13:43:10 GMT
Why have they badged it as M550d rather than, say, 540d or 545d M Sport? What determines the jump from 535 to 550?
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 13:57:30 GMT
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Post by Martin on Apr 27, 2017 13:57:30 GMT
The badging hasn't made sense for a long time. There will be a 540d, which is the twin turbo version of the 3.0 engine and there was an M550d available in mainland Europe, which had a triple turbo version of that engine.....
A 2.0 4 pot 530i doesn't appeal to me at all, assuming diesel isn't killed off I'd much (much) rather have a 530d, let alone a 540d.
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 15:30:14 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 27, 2017 15:30:14 GMT
Why wouldn't the 530i appeal? Missing out on a six cylinder engine I can see being a downside, but it is otherwise going to be a pretty smooth engine, significantly quieter and lighter too. I'm not saying the 535d isn't a better all rounder but if Diesel engines get phased out in the future, it's not an alternative I'd be unhappy with.
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 15:51:28 GMT
Post by Blarno on Apr 27, 2017 15:51:28 GMT
I'm willing to bet at least 74p and a Ginsters steak slice that the 530i will not match its claimed MPG or CO2 figures. Nor will it get anywhere near a diesel in terms of economy.
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 16:04:56 GMT
Post by chipbutty on Apr 27, 2017 16:04:56 GMT
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 16:13:16 GMT
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Post by Martin on Apr 27, 2017 16:13:16 GMT
I've not tried one to be fair, but I have driven a 320i and compared to a 320d it felt a bit gutless so needed to be revved to make decent progress and it wasn't the smoothest unit at all, a BMW 6 pot diesel is nicer in every way imo.
A 530e would be preferable, but I had a quick flick through Autoexpress yesterday as they had a rediculous mpg headline and in the article they admitted to getting 37mpg on a long run and that it didn't feel anywhere near as quick as a 530d which would be more economical as well. Makes sense as a company car if you're looking to reduce your tax bill, but I'm not.
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 27, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
I drove a 428i which basically has the same engine as a 530i and compared to my old 335D, it felt seriously slow. It did accelerate reasonably well when you watched the speedo rise but you didn't really feel it and it was very linear. Doing the same thing in the 335d gave you a serious shove in the back and you were in no two minds that you were accelerating.
The spec made me think I might like the 428i but the experience told me otherwise.
We drove my wife's A5 2.0TFSI down to London and got a best ever of 34mpg on the motorway (stuck in dawdling traffic on the M25 saw single figures!). My car on similar journeys would do up to 50mpg on the motorway and never worse than mid to high 20's in the same M25 traffic. Petrol cars are still a long way behind in physical consumption of a scarce resource. |
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 17:05:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 17:05:01 GMT
What I want to know, BMW bean counters, is why combining XDrive with a decent petrol engine seems to be impossible?
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 19:09:05 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 27, 2017 19:09:05 GMT
What I want to know, BMW bean counters, is why combining XDrive with a decent petrol engine seems to be impossible? It isn't. They have a 440i XD in Europe and USA but BMW obviously don't believe there is sufficient demand for such a car in RHD in the UK |
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 19:54:42 GMT
Post by Stuntman on Apr 27, 2017 19:54:42 GMT
XDrive, decent petrol engine AND a manual gearbox - and I'm interested.
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 20:36:24 GMT
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Post by Andy C on Apr 27, 2017 20:36:24 GMT
Don't a lot of X-drive owners fit ACS dampers as I didn't think you could get M-sport suspension with x drive
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M550d
Apr 27, 2017 20:41:26 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 27, 2017 20:41:26 GMT
Don't a lot of X-drive owners fit ACS dampers as I didn't think you could get M-sport suspension with x drive That's one of the reasons I looked for a car with adaptive suspension. However it is more than good enough for any normal road use, in comfort, unless you find a nice windy B road that needs some serious exploring. |
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 9:00:29 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 28, 2017 9:00:29 GMT
What I want to know, BMW bean counters, is why combining XDrive with a decent petrol engine seems to be impossible? It isn't. They have a 440i XD in Europe and USA but BMW obviously don't believe there is sufficient demand for such a car in RHD in the UK And yet if you look at the back of their cars XDrive has become a very popular option, even on things like base model 1 series. |
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 10:12:21 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2017 10:12:21 GMT
Why have they badged it as M550d rather than, say, 540d or 545d M Sport? What determines the jump from 535 to 550? I'd de-badge it - saw an M50Xd (or whatever its called) the other day and I know they make one but it did scream of X5 25d with a botched M-badge chucked on it. Exactly. The badges just look naff and it doesn't matter that BMW call it if you don't have them stuck all over the car. |
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 13:34:54 GMT
Post by Nelson on Apr 28, 2017 13:34:54 GMT
Slightly off topic, but in the same vein as performance diesels I was reading Autoexpress's long-term test of the Audi SQ7 and despite all that power they averaged just 22.5mpg (probably because it weighs as much a moon), but low 20's on a diesel does whiff of pointless to me and I can't see this near 400bhp quad-turbo'd BMW achieving much more in the real world.
I am the biggest performance meets frugality person, the thought of owning a performance diesel with all that lovely mid range shove but with proper 40-50mpg figures is a dream for me so whilst this BMW may look attractive if it does come to the UK I can't see it selling in high volumes
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 14:03:56 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 28, 2017 14:03:56 GMT
On the badging front, I note that quite a number of male friends/relatives (the sort who definitely like a nice car but probably don't read the motoring press particularly often) have looked at my car and gone "oooh 440i...is that a 4.0 V8...wow", which is kind of annoying as they are then a bit disappointed to learn that it is "only" a 3.0 straight-six.
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 15:08:19 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2017 15:08:19 GMT
Nelson, it does exist, a 335d/535d gives you plenty of performance for the road with 40+mpg a reality. I've been doing a bit more motorway running than usual recently and have averaged a true 44mpg over the last month / 2,500 miles. Even better is the 650miles I've been getting from a tank.
Racing - I can understand that, but it could be worse (C43) and you know the answer.
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 15:48:29 GMT
Post by Nelson on Apr 28, 2017 15:48:29 GMT
Nelson, it does exist, a 335d/535d gives you plenty of performance for the road with 40+mpg a reality. I've been doing a bit more motorway running than usual recently and have averaged a true 44mpg over the last month / 2,500 miles. Even better is the 650miles I've been getting from a tank. Not many 335d Tourings listed on Autotrader at around the £20k mark with sensible mileage Martin, can you answer this...on one of the pics I looked at of 335d auto the gearshifter was in PARK (P) with 2 little green arrows next to the P on the gearshifter (one up the other down). Being anal here but surely if the gearbox is in P there is no UP option for the shifter the only option is down into R N D, why is there is a green up arrow option?  |
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 16:44:31 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2017 16:44:31 GMT
It's all electronic not mechanical, so Park isn't at the top, it's selected by pressing the button or just turning the engine off if you've got Auto Hold on. So forwards to select reverse, pull back to select Drive. It's funny if you park up when it's in manual mode, as it flicks the lever over to the right and goes into Park when you turn the engine off.
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 21:06:22 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Apr 28, 2017 21:06:22 GMT
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So if it's electronic, why isn't it upwards (towards the front of the car) for going forwards (D) , and backwards (towards the rear of the car) for reverse? That would surely be more logical
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M550d
Apr 28, 2017 21:10:53 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2017 21:10:53 GMT
I expect it's because people who drive autos are used to pulling back on the lever to go into D and it would just confuse the Americans.... You pull the lever back to go up a gear in manual mode, so at least they are being consistent.
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M550d
Apr 30, 2017 8:06:36 GMT
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Post by franki68 on Apr 30, 2017 8:06:36 GMT
Nelson, it does exist, a 335d/535d gives you plenty of performance for the road with 40+mpg a reality. I've been doing a bit more motorway running than usual recently and have averaged a true 44mpg over the last month / 2,500 miles. Even better is the 650miles I've been getting from a tank. Racing - I can understand that, but it could be worse (C43) and you know the answer. Yep,I am averaging 39 on current tank with no motorway stuff,last tankful was 43mpg with quite abit of motorway work. Engine is superb .Sounds bloody good for a diesel as well. |
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