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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 27, 2019 7:36:48 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415Fortunately for me the cars I like were all built well before 2022, but there will be good profits to be made for anyone buying a Porsche or BMW immediately pre-limiter.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 27, 2019 7:48:29 GMT
^ ... and from the article, "EU Commissioner Elzbieta Bienkowska said: "Every year, 25,000 people lose their lives on our roads. The vast majority of these accidents are caused by human error."
Better to eliminate the human error rather than speed - regular psychiatric assessment of drivers to determine if they should have a licence, better driver training etc.... but no, let's use the "Big EU Hammer" and control people's cars instead
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Post by Martin on Mar 27, 2019 8:32:14 GMT
Apparently the system will default to on, but for the first few years there will be an off switch to help with the adjustment.
Older cars may start to be a bit more appealing.
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Post by johnc on Mar 27, 2019 8:49:01 GMT
Hearing that on the news made me feel thoroughly depressed. I really don't see how limiting a car's speed is going to add to road safety because it is going to massively add to frustration. People are the problem and even then only a small minority but as usual those in power want to drag us all down to the level of the lowest common denominator.
In 4 year's time, how are car brands going to differentiate themselves. What's the point in producing a 300 or 400hp car if you are going to be stuck behind Reginald Molehusband in his 80hp hatchback doing 50mph on the short straights of an A road. Perhaps the slingshot will come back into favour - a driving style I had to adopt in my 1300 Beetle if I wanted to pass anyone - fall back before the corner leading onto the short straight, wind it up and go round the corner on the limit and be prepared either to pull out and overtake if clear or hit the brakes if not - hardly the greatest contributor to road safety!
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Post by Martin on Mar 27, 2019 9:35:21 GMT
You’ll also be able to override the system by using full throttle, but will have to put up with an alarm.
I’m not defending it btw, I’m completely against the idea.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 27, 2019 10:39:46 GMT
I'm thinking of investing in a business that makes red flags.
If the aim is to reduce road deaths to zero and only a quarter of those deaths come from excessive speed then I suspect this news is the least of our worries.
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Post by michael on Mar 27, 2019 10:51:20 GMT
Will this apply to motorbikes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
With the market for new car sales, how is a mass reduction in sales going to impact the manafacturers? I cannot see how this will get through without huge financial losses and lost jobs.
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Post by Eff One on Mar 27, 2019 11:06:44 GMT
Bit depressing, but I'm surprised it's taken this long to be honest. I wonder what the performance brands will do marketing-wise.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 27, 2019 11:27:43 GMT
Will this apply to motorbikes? Don't be daft - laws don't apply to them!
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 27, 2019 11:48:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415Fortunately for me the cars I like were all built well before 2022, but there will be good profits to be made for anyone buying a Porsche or BMW immediately pre-limiter. No doubt the League of Professional Busybodies will also outlaw all vehicles built before 2022 at some point.
Already ULEZ means that, from 2021, those of us based in London will find it prohibitively expensive to use a petrol car that isn't Euro 4-compliant or a diesel car that isn't Euro-6 compliant unless it is VED-exempt (ie pre-1981 at the point the ULEZ bites).
On my morning cycle ride to work through Chelsea for the past five years, I regularly pass any number of 1980s/90s cars still apparently in use that will presumably be priced off the road with their long-term owners forced to upgrade - this includes three E30s (a 3dr 320i, a 318i convertible and a 325i Touring), a smart E39 530d, a number of W124 Mercs (estates, cabrios and coupes), several Volvo 940 estates, a couple of Rover 100s, a couple of Saab 900s, a K-reg Range Rover and several older Porsche 996s and original-shape Boxsters.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 27, 2019 12:24:33 GMT
Surely all these devices will be disarmed by a bloke in a back street garage with a laptop.
I'd be tempted to go under the radar going forward, have an unregistered and uninsured car and carry on as before.
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Post by PG on Mar 27, 2019 14:00:43 GMT
There are lots of other things we could, or should be doing - better driver training, better education, better road design, better car design etc etc. But no, let's just bugger up everyone's lives for the sake of virtue signalling.
And I also read this morning that we've just enacted an EU law that will stop the annual clock change from 2021. We'll have to decide to stay on GMT or BST permanently. That hasn't had much coverage has it?
What next? A law banning over cooked toast?
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 27, 2019 14:07:50 GMT
Probably.
But the likelihood that Brexit impacts that is nil. Our legislature is quite capable of coming up with its own barking impositions.
And to the original premise in the title - no - the article says the UK intends to follow suit irrespective of Brexit.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 27, 2019 20:32:54 GMT
Surely all these devices will be disarmed by a bloke in a back street garage with a laptop. I'd be tempted to go under the radar going forward, have an unregistered and uninsured car and carry on as before. I'm watching you, laddo.
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Post by Tim on Mar 28, 2019 10:09:15 GMT
There are lots of other things we could, or should be doing - better driver training, better education, better road design, better car design etc etc. But no, let's just bugger up everyone's lives for the sake of virtue signalling. Yup. Perhaps they could make vehicles into Faraday cages so the idiots can't use their smartphones to update their mood status on Facebook on the way into work? I'd like to think the HGV driver I saw this morning going through Balmullo, past schoolkids waiting for the bus, while texting would be something the authorities would like to stop but in common with millions of other daily road users he's not going to get stopped because speed camera vans don't appear to pick up phone usage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 10:51:05 GMT
Perhaps the 'faraday cage' can completely prevent phone use but that might also affect the sat nav which would be typical.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 28, 2019 11:40:49 GMT
Perhaps the 'faraday cage' can completely prevent phone use but that might also affect the sat nav which would be typical. I've said this before; take road policing out of the budget of the regular police and set up a separate body of Highway Police, fully self funded by fines. 2 officers in a car - say £60k a year each for employment costs. Supply of one fully expensed and maintained car - say £100k a year. A bit of office overhead - say £30k a year. Total cost £250k. They work 250 days a year so need to generate fines totaling £1000 per day to pay for themselves. I could do that on my morning commute - a couple of £200 phone use fines, couple of speeders for £100 each, 3 red light jumpers at £100 each, baldy tyres, another few hundred. I'd give them a bonus for every motorcycle they crush and a set of bolt croppers to cut the chain off every cycle they see been ridden dangerously or without lights.
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Post by Tim on Mar 28, 2019 13:07:04 GMT
Perhaps the 'faraday cage' can completely prevent phone use but that might also affect the sat nav which would be typical. I've said this before; take road policing out of the budget of the regular police and set up a separate body of Highway Police, fully self funded by fines. 2 officers in a car - say £60k a year each for employment costs. Supply of one fully expensed and maintained car - say £100k a year. A bit of office overhead - say £30k a year. Total cost £250k. They work 250 days a year so need to generate fines totaling £1000 per day to pay for themselves. I could do that on my morning commute - a couple of £200 phone use fines, couple of speeders for £100 each, 3 red light jumpers at £100 each, baldy tyres, another few hundred. I'd give them a bonus for every motorcycle they crush and a set of bolt croppers to cut the chain off every cycle they see been ridden dangerously or without lights. I reckon they could raise an easy £20k per day:- Stand by the side of the road - in town or out in the country, it doesn't matter - watch out for phone users & bingo, a hundred easy fines. For the remaining 7 1/2 hours of an 8 hour shift they could put their feet up and eat donuts near a set of lights to lift red light jumpers of the 2 AND 4 wheeled variety.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 28, 2019 13:34:11 GMT
^ Damn, I didn't figure donuts costs into my figures. OK, £300k a year.
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