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Post by Martin on Apr 22, 2017 8:10:38 GMT
I see he's leaving Evo and going freelance, mainly working for Autocar at first.
I'm not a big fan, so a good opportunity for Evo to find someone better.
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Post by Sav on Apr 22, 2017 11:22:25 GMT
Finally!
I know I've mentioned him before, but Steve Sutcliffe should be his replacement. His piece on the Aventador a few months ago was great, Prosser couldn't have written that.
Btw, does anyone else feel like Autocar has progressively gone off the rails recently? Apart from being a constant advert for JLR products, some of the features are just bizarre. Take the most beautiful car list as an example. Who on Autocar is worth reading? Hmm.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 11:48:41 GMT
Not a fan either, typifies the attitude I've often criticised. Matt Prior is a decent journo.
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Post by Ben on Apr 22, 2017 16:30:20 GMT
Harsh! He used to be one of us you know...
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Post by Alex on Apr 22, 2017 16:37:38 GMT
Harsh! He used to be one of us you know... Did he? Was that on the original Autocar forum or Matts forum? |
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Post by Martin on Apr 22, 2017 17:09:17 GMT
He was on the Autocar forum for a while.
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Post by Ben on Apr 23, 2017 5:49:27 GMT
Harsh! He used to be one of us you know... Did he? Was that on the original Autocar forum or Matts forum? Both. He was on Matt's forum only briefly though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 12:41:37 GMT
That places us under no obligation to like his work, surely?
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Post by Ben on Apr 23, 2017 17:56:24 GMT
That places us under no obligation to like his work, surely? Well no, but I'd like to think that I would be happy for 'one of us' to go on and be reasonably successful in a chosen dream career. Much like how I'm extremely happy for Blarno to be now working for BAC. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 23, 2017 18:14:40 GMT
All a bit chippy. One of the good guys is Dan.
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Post by PR on Apr 23, 2017 23:42:48 GMT
Apart from being a constant advert for JLR products... It's a motoring media outlet that independently reports relevant and timely news, product actions and driving impressions. Many others do the same thing, at the same time, expressing broadly similar positive sentiment. What do you expect exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 7:45:42 GMT
All a bit chippy. One of the good guys is Dan. Why is it having a chip on ones shoulder not to care for someone's professional output? |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Apr 24, 2017 10:19:55 GMT
Apart from being a constant advert for JLR products... It's a motoring media outlet that independently reports relevant and timely news, product actions and driving impressions. Many others do the same thing, at the same time, expressing broadly similar positive sentiment. What do you expect exactly? You of all people should know of the bias of the motoring press towards JLR. Oh, and BMW, and VW, and Skoda. Oh, and Ford. Etc ad infinitum. |
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2017 13:24:29 GMT
I think his writing has improved in the last 2 or 3 issues but I've never particularly been a big fan.
Looking at the most recent issue Prosser is probably moving to get a rest - he's covered a huge amount of tests in far-flung locations.
I was going to post recently about Steve Sutcliffe writing a few articles for EVO and, obviously they've had Adam Towler there for a while - I wondered if we might see a few more ex-Autocar writers.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 24, 2017 19:31:48 GMT
Finally! I know I've mentioned him before, but Steve Sutcliffe should be his replacement. His piece on the Aventador a few months ago was great, Prosser couldn't have written that. Btw, does anyone else feel like Autocar has progressively gone off the rails recently? Apart from being a constant advert for JLR products, some of the features are just bizarre. Take the most beautiful car list as an example. Who on Autocar is worth reading? Hmm..... The beautiful cars list was actively barking. The inclusion of the Evoque alone practically represents a crime. |
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Post by Sav on Apr 24, 2017 21:44:52 GMT
Apart from being a constant advert for JLR products... It's a motoring media outlet that independently reports relevant and timely news, product actions and driving impressions. Many others do the same thing, at the same time, expressing broadly similar positive sentiment. What do you expect exactly? I expect a greater degree of proportionality. No coverage will ever be totally proportionate, but imo, Autocar devotes too much time to JLR stuff. Take the new Discovery, I feel like I’ve been reading about this car for the last five months in far too much detail in relation to other new models. The Discovery’s rivals received nowhere near the volume of coverage as the Discovery did, including things like the XC90, X5 or Q7. And Autocar do love running an “insider” story on the new Defender. Oh yes, let’s have one more article on that please. I don’t doubt that JLR are making excellent products, and I don’t expect Autocar to state that JLR products are crap in the name of impartiality either. However, the amount of coverage devoted to their products exceeds anything else in my opinion. And of course Autocar are not immune to this, Evo have devoted a lot of coverage to Porsche in the past….and whatever aftermarket Porsche that might along. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 1:18:55 GMT
Re the beautiful cars thing; there seemed to be arrows indicating that they'd gone up or down some sort of chart, so who's voting for them?
FWIW my fugly vote goes to the Aston on page 50.
Sav, don't buy the mag next week, it has another Discovery article in it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 7:59:29 GMT
The Beautiful Cars piece was bizarre. Plenty that you could consider purposeful, but not beautiful.
The Chiron placing above the SM? Must be children doing the voting...
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Post by Tim on Apr 25, 2017 11:08:22 GMT
I haven't read Autocar for a long time but if they're apparently favouring a British marque then stop complaining.
They focussed on the Germans for long enough.
I remember making a point early in the days when we were on the Autocar forum that when you looked at their test data at the back of the mag they had tested far more, for example, Mercedes than they had Fords.
Remember that's from the time when Merc only had 3 or 4 model lines.
They'd also tested every possible iteration of AMG but had, again from memory, only tested one fast Ford.
Have a look at CAR mag for the last few years, they have a lot of info about forthcoming developments from the German manufacturers.
Contrastingly the content they have from, say, Japanese ones is only actual new releases, no pipeline stuff.
A bit of redress is long overdue from the motoring press.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 15:52:53 GMT
I thought the 100 most beautiful etc was a waste of time and did nothing but take up pages. What was the point? Apart from padding the mag?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 8:35:58 GMT
I find it hard to be too precise about what it is, but I have never really warmed to evo. Flicking through the copy that arrived this morning is a case in point. Some interesting cars, good photography, wide-ranging articles, but something isn't right (for me, at least). In part it's because it's too queefy. The motoring journo as driving deity and if you don't 'get it', it's because you're a mere mortal. But I also think they have their favourites, and failings in these are downplayed, whilst failings of similar magnitude in non-favourites are deemed to be much more significant. Hence the inconsistency of the star ratings.
I can't decide whether to keep up the subscription.
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Post by Big Blue on May 12, 2017 9:07:29 GMT
I stopped reading car mags of any description about three years ago. And bike mags.
I am an informational vacuum.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:10:33 GMT
Hey, but you've got a great forum icon!
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Post by Blarno on May 12, 2017 9:48:00 GMT
I stopped reading car mags of any description about three years ago. And bike mags. I am an informational vacuum. This. Car mags exist in a strange continuum where they're either deathly dull (Auto Express/Autocar), driving god Queef wheelsmith tomes (Evo) or wannabe middle class gentleman's rags a la GQ (Car). I've always held the view that journos are nothing more than paid opinion-givers. Their opinion is no more worthy than yours or mine, they're just possibly better and putting it into print. I generally don't read magazines of any sort now because all journos are cut from the same cloth, IMO. |
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Post by Tim on May 12, 2017 10:31:03 GMT
I find it hard to be too precise about what it is, but I have never really warmed to evo. Flicking through the copy that arrived this morning is a case in point. Some interesting cars, good photography, wide-ranging articles, but something isn't right (for me, at least). In part it's because it's too queefy. The motoring journo as driving deity and if you don't 'get it', it's because you're a mere mortal. But I also think they have their favourites, and failings in these are downplayed, whilst failings of similar magnitude in non-favourites are deemed to be much more significant. Hence the inconsistency of the star ratings. I can't decide whether to keep up the subscription. I think it was better when they had folk like John Barker involved (although he's done a couple of articles for them recently I note).
I think all the mags have their clear favourites and I know I go on and on about it but at present it seems that any performance cars are judged with consideration to "how does it compare to the Porsche xxx". That's across all the mags I read and while I was never particularly a Porsche hater I don't 'get them'. I suppose that means I'm probably a mere mortal. (Just to confirm this I've also hardly ever switched off the stability control in the M5 and only did it in the 370 to enable me to smoke the old back tyres).
My favourite of all time was Fast Lane. That always felt as if it had a bit of humour behind it.
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Post by Big Blue on May 12, 2017 11:13:18 GMT
Yeah I've still got all the Fast Lanes in a box. Different class.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 11:17:47 GMT
I think Barker's the author of this month's 720S piece, a quick scan of which suggested a 'too competent' verdict. Will read it properly, but such things always raise my suspicions.
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Post by Tim on May 12, 2017 12:51:40 GMT
I would usually interpret that kind of comment as meaning that the car's just too good, grippy, handling, etc to be much fun at sensible speeds on the road.
In reality, and despite the mags always bringing it up, how many of these £100k + supercars are actually exercised on a racetrack?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:15:26 GMT
But when the above applies to a 911, as it has done in the past, it can win ecoty because of that one crucial, white-knuckle ride. Silly, really.
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Post by Tim on May 12, 2017 15:44:46 GMT
I remember being annoyed at that one.
I'm clearly not worthy!
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