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Post by racingteatray on Mar 20, 2019 17:49:56 GMT
Straight question - two answers.
If this is the choice, what would you pick and why?
Genuine question and I don't think there is a "right" answer because part of me thinks Theresa May's deal is so dreadful that we might as well go the whole hog and see what happens, while the other takes fright at some of the more apocalyptic possibilities and thinks "better the Devil you know"...
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Post by johnc on Mar 20, 2019 18:07:45 GMT
I voted no deal for a few reasons (on the proviso that I can buy a car before it happens because, as has already been announced, cars will face a 10% import tax. Car parts for use in UK manufacture will not!)
I think the whole Brexit negotiation has been one of brinkmanship. For that reason I think we will only get a proper negotiated deal that suits both sides, if we are out. It is only when we are out that the EU will realise that they have to negotiate reasonably. However (and this is a big one) the EU are notorious for long drawn out negotiations such as they had with Canada and their trade deal and I fear that if the UK doesn't get a deal reasonably quickly, we could find things getting pretty tough pretty quickly.
I think "May's deal" is the kind of deal or decision which is arrived at by a committee - it achieves little, it gives no-one what they want or need and ultimately it is flawed and will have to be addressed again in the future. Quite possibly this deal might give a bit of stability whilst details are re-negotiated and outstanding issues are addressed but again I doubt that the EU will play ball in allowing changes.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 20, 2019 18:31:33 GMT
I am tempted to agree with you at this point.
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Post by Stuntman on Mar 20, 2019 18:48:00 GMT
I voted no deal. Mrs May's deal won't get passed in its current or very similar form, IMO. Effectively, no deal means no Brexit for the time being - again in my opinion.
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Post by Martin on Mar 20, 2019 18:52:55 GMT
I am tempted to agree with you at this point. That’s my position as things stand right now.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 20, 2019 20:28:50 GMT
I'm not sure that I know what Mrs May's proposed deal is
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Post by michael on Mar 20, 2019 21:02:43 GMT
I’m wavering as I don’t think we have the government or parliamentary make up to strike the economic changes no deal offers. I can’t imagine anyone stepping in and slashing VAT and corporation tax for example.
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Post by Alex on Mar 20, 2019 22:28:32 GMT
Mays deal is not Brexit, it’s just remain but on worse terms.
I’ve had enough, we can’t stop brexit now so fuck it let’s just jump off the cliff and see what happens. A lot of businesses have already prepared for this outcome so it may not be quite the shit show it looks like.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 20, 2019 23:27:15 GMT
No deal on the basis that Mrs May's deal isn't wanted by enough members in the House and that those same members are collectively insane enough to imagine that not having any kind of trade / travel / police / armed forces / etc. deal with the people they've had one with for almost half a century is an OK thing they can manage their way out of.
All of these twats are fully aware that an election will be triggered after a no deal scenario so some are planning their exit (from the House and the UK) whilst others are planning how they're going to abuse their power.
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Post by Ben on Mar 21, 2019 7:53:03 GMT
Question: What is the ideal deal that will appease everyone?
Obviously I have no say in this because I'm not in the UK, but I'm just curious as I've been following pretty much the whole thing from the start. The thing I don't get is that the Leavers never actually came up with a reasonable solution to resolve this.
All I understood so far is:
1) May's deal is not really leaving the EU (not entirely a bad thing IMHO) 2) Leaving with no deal will cause havoc
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Post by johnc on Mar 21, 2019 8:16:21 GMT
I see there is now a Government petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU - currently at 526,000 votes for. It would appear from the number of times it has appeared on Facebook that a lot of my friends are signing it.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 21, 2019 8:22:52 GMT
Question: What is the ideal deal that will appease everyone? There isn't one. The issue is to reach a compromise that is acceptable to almost 100% of the MP's / population. But in 3 years the Government does not even appear to have made a start at finding out what an "acceptable" compromise could be
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 21, 2019 8:29:44 GMT
I've always been of the opinion to reach the best possible deal and try and salvage something out of a shit situation which will enable us to pass through the Brexit process with the minimum of disruption. It appears that is not possible so we have to go no deal.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Mar 21, 2019 9:33:45 GMT
Short-term pain for long-term pain. Sounds great.
Brexit is partially responsible for my job ceasing to exist from next Sunday, so selfishly I’m not a big fan.
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Post by johnc on Mar 21, 2019 9:48:12 GMT
Short-term pain for long-term pain. Sounds great. Brexit is partially responsible for my job ceasing to exist from next Sunday, so selfishly I’m not a big fan. Sorry to hear about the job. Are you losing the job altogether or are you able to get a job in a different department?
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Post by cbeaks1 on Mar 21, 2019 10:04:43 GMT
Short-term pain for long-term pain. Sounds great. Brexit is partially responsible for my job ceasing to exist from next Sunday, so selfishly I’m not a big fan. Sorry to hear about the job. Are you losing the job altogether or are you able to get a job in a different department? Limbo - no compulsory redundancy but rather disruptive. I’m lucky I work somewhere unionised. I’m a lot luckier than many others regardless of the outcome. I found May’s speech last night utterly appalling.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 21, 2019 10:06:34 GMT
Your all frickin nuts. I’m well aware the current deal on the table is remain with all the benefits taken away and a huge bill for the privilege but I’d rather that then throwing myself off a cliff. No deal is a disaster zone and something I don’t want to consider
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Post by cbeaks1 on Mar 21, 2019 10:22:24 GMT
The evoke petition was flying towards 700000 and the website went down for maintenance.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Mar 21, 2019 10:22:44 GMT
Revoke obvs
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 10:34:16 GMT
Sorry to hear about the job. Are you losing the job altogether or are you able to get a job in a different department? Limbo - no compulsory redundancy but rather disruptive. I’m lucky I work somewhere unionised. I’m a lot luckier than many others regardless of the outcome. I found May’s speech last night utterly appalling. Yes, it was appalling wasn't it? Looks like that's a majority view we share as well.
Very sorry to hear about your job - best of luck with finding another as soon as possible.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 21, 2019 11:15:13 GMT
The evoke petition was flying towards 700000 and the website went down for maintenance. Surely it needs to exceed 18 million though? Sorry to hear about the job, hope you get sorted.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 11:17:52 GMT
Which at this rate would take 18 days we don't have...
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Post by cbeaks1 on Mar 21, 2019 11:58:00 GMT
The evoke petition was flying towards 700000 and the website went down for maintenance. Surely it needs to exceed 18 million though? Sorry to hear about the job, hope you get sorted. Shit happens Bob, it’ll work itself out.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 13:57:16 GMT
936k currently.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 21, 2019 14:48:40 GMT
936k and every time I try and log in its broken. Seems demand has broken the internet.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 14:52:33 GMT
Currently works and at 998,832...
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 14:53:50 GMT
Just gone over 1m.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 21, 2019 14:59:30 GMT
Among the many signatures from abroad; 220 from Luxembourg (Jean-Claude Junker repeatedly voting perhaps?), one from Vatican City (is the Pope making his views known?), 2 from the Western Sahara (not even a country), as well as others from Russia (Putin meddling?), North Korea and Papua New Guinea. Oh and Cuba - anyone seen Corbyn lately?
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 15:04:16 GMT
Among the many signatures from abroad; 220 from Luxembourg (Jean-Claude Junker repeatedly voting perhaps?), one from Vatican City (is the Pope making his views known?), 2 from the Western Sahara (not even a country), as well as others from Russia (Putin meddling?), North Korea and Papua New Guinea. Oh and Cuba - anyone seen Corbyn lately? How many of the 1m are from abroad?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 21, 2019 15:25:09 GMT
Among the many signatures from abroad; 220 from Luxembourg (Jean-Claude Junker repeatedly voting perhaps?), one from Vatican City (is the Pope making his views known?), 2 from the Western Sahara (not even a country), as well as others from Russia (Putin meddling?), North Korea and Papua New Guinea. Oh and Cuba - anyone seen Corbyn lately? How many of the 1m are from abroad?
I'm sure it's no more than the first 900k. My brother-in-law lives in Malta and he's voted 9 times.
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