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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 24, 2017 7:27:54 GMT
I'm struggling to understand the hate for the new model and the love for the old - they both have exactly the same rear glass house treatment - the exception is the Discovery 4 is a much older model and looks it.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 24, 2017 11:09:10 GMT
It's in the proportions. They work on the D4. They don't on the D5.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 24, 2017 11:39:27 GMT
looks as tall from the back as a routemaster bus.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 24, 2017 12:38:09 GMT
It's in the proportions. They work on the D4. They don't on the D5. I think they're better integrated on the new model, the old one seemed to have that large glass area simply because it had become a bit of a design trademark from the first Disco. In darker colours they tend to look like one of those four seater pick up trucks carrying a black cube. |
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Post by johnc on Apr 24, 2017 13:14:15 GMT
I'm not a fan of the look of the rear of D5 either. When we were behind one on the motorway, my wife called it an ugly monstrosity which looks as though it would fall over if it went round a corner.
I far prefer the D4 or the Disco Sport. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 25, 2017 11:03:09 GMT
There are lots of customer cars about - all high spec. It's obviously hit the spot, even though it is incredibly expensive (£7k deposit and £1009 a month to Joseph Public for HSE lugzureee) I had a look and even with a £15,000 deposit, it was over £900 a month and that's over 48months to try and keep the monthlies down. It's the F Pace S that's ridiculously expensive though, £15k down and £950 a month over 48 months! That's close to a RR Sport Autobiography or £350 a month more than a new shape SQ5. I appreciate there may be equity on the car at the end, but it's a lot to pay out each month for an F Pace. |
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Post by johnc on Apr 25, 2017 11:24:51 GMT
There are lots of customer cars about - all high spec. It's obviously hit the spot, even though it is incredibly expensive (£7k deposit and £1009 a month to Joseph Public for HSE lugzureee) I had a look and even with a £15,000 deposit, it was over £900 a month and that's over 48months to try and keep the monthlies down. It's the F Pace S that's ridiculously expensive though, £15k down and £950 a month over 48 months! That's close to a RR Sport Autobiography or £350 a month more than a new shape SQ5. I appreciate there may be equity on the car at the end, but it's a lot to pay out each month for an F Pace. Those figures surely show a lack of confidence in future values. Is there going to be an SUV tax? |
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 25, 2017 11:38:18 GMT
No but there will be a diesel backlash...and these are diesel vehicles...
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Post by chipbutty on Apr 25, 2017 11:44:47 GMT
Not especially - they mainly show the lack of retail subvention (Manufacturer support) which has a significant impact on the monthlies of other brands.
On the earlier comments from Martin that LR were not confident on Velar residuals, I had a look at some of the finance deals quoted.
Velar R-Dynamic SE V6 diesel in metallic - list of £64k, GFMV of £37k at 36 months.
GFMV is typically set at 80% of the expected trade value at that point in time.
£37k = 57% of £64k.
57% is 80% of 71%.
So the expected RV at 3 years and 30k miles is 71% of list.
Do the sumz on an equivalent RRS (306ps HSE) and it's £800 or so less than the above Velar, but the GFMV is £700 higher.
The percentages for the RRS are 59% and 73% approx.
RRS is then supported by a £1500 deposit contribution.
60% - 70% retained value after 3 years is very good - particularly when they are RVs set by an independent third party bank (Ze Germans all have their own finance houses, so they can be more bullish with their level of risk)
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Post by Nelson on Apr 25, 2017 20:56:15 GMT
The old one is immeasurably better-looking. The new one looks like someone has planted the glass-house of a much bigger car on the lower body of a smaller one. I particularly dislike the rear 3/4 area. Cack-handed bit of design. This, exactly The previous gen looked expensive. That's a lovely looking car in that grey too. Very high on my wish list if money wasn't an issue |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Apr 25, 2017 22:00:37 GMT
The more I see the less offensive the rear is.
Hard to shake the image conjured on Sniff Petrol of Douglas Carswell though.
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Post by Tim on Apr 26, 2017 9:23:08 GMT
I've only seen one from the rear and it was black which just emphasised the offset plate.
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 26, 2017 12:39:18 GMT
I just can't get on with it, but that's a general anti-SUV sentiment from me. I'm wagering that inside it's superb, but then so is a Bentayga by all accounts but I still laugh out loud when I see them on the street.
The Jag SUV is, on the other hand, acceptable looking all round.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 27, 2017 11:12:01 GMT
Taste is a funny thing. I don't like the F-Pace much at all because the styling doesn't work at all unless decked out in ChavSport-spec with overly massive wheels. By contrast, I find the Bentgayer much less offensive in the metal than I thought I would, particularly in standard trim and a sober dark metallic.
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Post by Tim on Apr 27, 2017 12:22:19 GMT
I saw a Bentgayer in plain black without pimp glass and thought it looked terrible.
To my eyes the F-Pace is ok but the stance makes me think that someone's taken an XF estate and have started turning it into a monster truck by giving it jacked-up suspension.
By far the worst thing about it is the name.....
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Post by Blarno on Apr 27, 2017 12:29:35 GMT
Given that I work within farting distance of JLR's Disco Sport/Evoque plant, I see a lot of these things (I assume management plodders). I was behind one yesterday in my morning traffic and it looks too slim for its height, like it would topple over in a strong wind.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 31, 2017 15:59:41 GMT
I had the misfortune to be stuck next to a new Discovery in roadworks on the M3 yesterday. It was dark grey and in some sort of go-faster spec with big wheels and a roof spoiler. As our lanes didn't move at equal speeds, sometimes it was in front of me and sometimes behind, so being on my own in the car, I had nothing better to do than to reflect on the styling of said Discovery.
At the back, setting aside the bizarre off-set number plate and the rear lights that look nicked from some completely unrelated car, the problem is that there is no step whatsoever in the bodywork from the rear windscreen to the bottom of the bumper, making it look exceptionally vertical and like they forgot to fit a rear bumper - an oddly naked look for something that is meant to be rough 'n tough. From the rear 3/4s, not even what were possibly 21-inch wheels could stop it looking slightly under-wheeled and tippy-toed. And then from the front, the grille and lights are oddly small and high with a vast expanse of relatively featureless bumper below that makes it look like it might be half-boat.
In fact, in my rear-view mirror, it reminded me of nothing so much as this:
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Post by Tim on Jul 31, 2017 16:07:59 GMT
I think it's worse looking than that!
The more I see of them the more I dislike the front - agreed on the small grille and lights and they're emphasised by the big underbite.
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