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Post by johnc on Feb 25, 2019 15:54:27 GMT
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Post by Tim on Feb 25, 2019 16:48:14 GMT
Hopefully some common sense will prevail - there's surely no way electric car production could step up to fill the demand for new cars - around 2 million a year from the UK alone.
Even though production capacity is there in existing factories I don't think the supply of raw materials for the batteries could be stepped up to anything close, at least not without causing some environmental devastation around mining which seems to be the bit that everybody forgets.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Feb 25, 2019 17:59:56 GMT
Hopefully some common sense will prevail - there's surely no way electric car production could step up to fill the demand for new cars - around 2 million a year from the UK alone. Even though production capacity is there in existing factories I don't think the supply of raw materials for the batteries could be stepped up to anything close, at least not without causing some environmental devastation around mining which seems to be the bit that everybody forgets. And pollution from aviation and (especially) shipping. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 18:23:48 GMT
Nor do we have enough reserve in the national grid to cover recharging car systems as well as the housing and industrial consumption.
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 25, 2019 18:33:04 GMT
Nor do we have enough reserve in the national grid to cover recharging car systems as well as the housing and industrial consumption. When has truth ever got in the way of Government policy ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 18:36:03 GMT
The truth has never got in the way of government idiocy, brexit is a case in point but all examples hold up.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 20:10:50 GMT
Nor do we have enough reserve in the national grid to cover recharging car systems as well as the housing and industrial consumption. Says who? Electricity consumption is falling year on year and most cars would be charged overnight when there's plenty of surplus electricity. (Hint: economy 7) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 20:21:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 20:24:58 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 20:34:47 GMT
From your own link: “We do not see the transition to EVs as posing a significant stress on peak demand if charging were incentivized to happen at off-peak times,” they said.
In the last 10 years we've reduced electricity consumption by the equivalent of two and a half Hinkley Point C nuclear power stations. It's only going one way as we all move to more efficient lighting, heating, and appliances.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 21:00:35 GMT
Yes one does say that, I have no skin in the game btw, other theories and studies go the other way.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 25, 2019 22:10:03 GMT
I'm afraid the title of this thread is an oxymoron.
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Post by PG on Feb 26, 2019 9:59:23 GMT
Call me a cynic if you will, but I find it very hard to believe that (according to the link) "Using real driving emissions (RDE) tests to assess the cleanliness of new petrol and diesel cars, Adac found that the Mercedes-Benz C220d emitted “no NOx whatsoever”, while BMW’s 520d and Vauxhall (badged Opel in mainland Europe) cars equipped with its 1.6-litre diesel motor produced just 1mg/km of NOx,". That seems utterly implausible. I'm not sayig that the Euro 6+ engines are not much cleaner than the Euro 5, just that this sort of reduction to "nothing" is impossible. Methinks that the authors have an axe to grind - as part of the German automotive industry..... Truth as ever is that balance is required. All three fuel sources - petrol, diesel and electricity - need to be used to allow a measured change over to whatever the final outcome may be., And that may well be none of the above - it could be hydrogen for example, but tat will still need large amounts of power to produce it. |
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