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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 12:40:37 GMT
It's black grey. Not a hybrid or a 4x4, but on a special deal this month and reasonably decent on CO2, so a snap decision has been made. Due to arrive in March
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Post by Alex on Feb 22, 2019 12:41:36 GMT
Is it a pickup?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 22, 2019 12:46:33 GMT
Nissan Leaf.
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Post by Tim on Feb 22, 2019 13:08:35 GMT
Merc estate of some sort.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 13:32:48 GMT
Combined CO2 emissions: 120 g/km (EU6D TEMP)
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 14:03:06 GMT
Sounds like it won't have enough cylinders to replace the E320, are you keeping it for private use?
Not sure on the C02, but Volvo V60, Mazda 6 or Passat are my guesses. I'd have added Superb to that, but I assume you wouldn't go back to one.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 14:14:03 GMT
A colleague at work is desperate to buy the E320 and we don't need two estate cars, so an enhanced vintage or classic solution is a possible way to spice up weekend driving and maintain the cylinder count.
Some close guesses, but no cigar yet...
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 14:16:17 GMT
A colleague at work is desperate to buy the E320 and we don't need two estate cars, so an enhanced vintage or classic solution is a possible way to spice up weekend driving and maintain the cylinder count. Some close guesses, but no cigar yet... So, it's an estate.... Last guess. Audi A4
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 14:20:15 GMT
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 14:23:44 GMT
We have a winner! A4 Avant Sport 35 TDI S Tronic Do I get a prize? Funnily enough, with my help, two people in my team have ordered an A5 Sportback Sport this week (35 TFSI), so I know it's got a decent level of standard equipment. The pleather/vinyl seats are a bit of a negative, but at least it has comfort suspension so should ride better than the Audi norm. Have you driven one? Edit, top marks for not getting an SUV or pickup!
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Post by michael on Feb 22, 2019 14:38:22 GMT
Sounds like a good choice and you've dodged a bullet with the PHEV.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 14:42:20 GMT
Agreed it is a good spec for the money. IMO the pleather/vinyl is better than cloth and it has heated sports seats, so I can live with that. The sound system is fairly decent, it has a big boot, doesn't have the S-Line suspension and is supposed to be very quiet, so that will suit me well. The offer is on cars in current UK stock, so limited on choice of extras, otherwise I would have ticked the sunroof box.
Not driven a current spec model, so an element of surprise awaits...
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 14:45:26 GMT
Sounds like a good choice and you've dodged a bullet with the PHEV. We have come to the conclusion that the PHEV's on the fleet are proving to be very expensive to run. Now the government grant has stopped it makes the case for getting one even more difficult to justify, other than from a BIK point of view. The Audi gives me a decent car and keeps the BIK to a bearable level.
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 14:45:46 GMT
Agreed it is a good spec for the money. IMO the pleather/vinyl is better than cloth and it has heated sports seats, so I can live with that. The sound system is fairly decent, it has a big boot, doesn't have the S-Line suspension and is supposed to be very quiet, so that will suit me well. The offer is on cars in current UK stock, so limited on choice of extras, otherwise I would have ticked the sunroof box. Not driven a current spec model, so an element of surprise awaits... That's very brave...fingers crossed you like it!! How long will you have to keep it for?
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 14:47:42 GMT
Three years. The previous model I drove was good and the current model is supposed to be much better, so I can't see there will be any problems.
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 14:59:41 GMT
Three years. The previous model I drove was good and the current model is supposed to be much better, so I can't see there will be any problems. Excellent. Can't beat that new car feeling and not long to wait!
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 22, 2019 15:01:16 GMT
It is an impressive standard spec for an Audi but does 150bhp go very far in an A4 Avant?
I was always rather annoyed to work in an industry that didn't dole out company cars (and we don't get a payment in lieu either).
Increasingly I am not.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 15:14:39 GMT
It is an impressive standard spec for an Audi but does 150bhp go very far in an A4 Avant? I was always rather annoyed to work in an industry that didn't dole out company cars (and we don't get a payment in lieu either). Increasingly I am not. 0-62 in 9.2 seconds and a decent TDI surge for overtaking, so good enough. CO2 and BIK considerations make anything properly interesting out of the question, so my thought is to find an acceptable compromise on the company car and spend more money on 'something for the weekend'. As I sit in endless motorway and A-Road queues I often question why I would want to spend a large amount of my income just to have a nicer engine sound as I inch forward through the roadworks in my daily hack. A weekend drive through the Cotswold lanes it what it is all about for me and so that is going to be my main focus.
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 15:38:13 GMT
I was always rather annoyed to work in an industry that didn't dole out company cars (and we don't get a payment in lieu either). Increasingly I am not. The payment in lieu / car allowance is taken into account when salaries are being calculated, so doesn't really make a difference and company cars are getting so much more expensive. When we were making a decision last year, we (very) briefly looked at Lindsays company car list. She could go up to about £45k list and 150g co2 iirc, but that made the cost about £7,500-8,000 pa including the impact of losing her allowance. That would have increased by about £500 this coming tax and another £200 next year. It's not a perk/cheap option any more, hasn't been for years.
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 15:44:19 GMT
As I sit in endless motorway and A-Road queues I often question why I would want to spend a large amount of my income just to have a nicer engine sound as I inch forward through the roadworks in my daily hack. A weekend drive through the Cotswold lanes it what it is all about for me and so that is going to be my main focus. Sounds like you've got a good plan. But it does help when you're floating on air and getting a nice massage, while sitting on super comfy seats and listening to a great sound system
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 22, 2019 16:02:12 GMT
It is an impressive standard spec for an Audi but does 150bhp go very far in an A4 Avant? I was always rather annoyed to work in an industry that didn't dole out company cars (and we don't get a payment in lieu either). Increasingly I am not. 0-62 in 9.2 seconds and a decent TDI surge for overtaking, so good enough. CO2 and BIK considerations make anything properly interesting out of the question, so my thought is to find an acceptable compromise on the company car and spend more money on 'something for the weekend'. As I sit in endless motorway and A-Road queues I often question why I would want to spend a large amount of my income just to have a nicer engine sound as I inch forward through the roadworks in my daily hack. A weekend drive through the Cotswold lanes it what it is all about for me and so that is going to be my main focus. There is that. Sounds similar performance to the 140bhp TDI in the 54-plate A3 Sportback my mother had two cars ago, which was to say decent if you caught the torque surge. Hope the latest generation 4-pot engines are less tractorish than hers was !
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 22, 2019 16:10:59 GMT
When we were making a decision last year, we (very) briefly looked at Lindsays company car list. She could go up to about £45k list and 150g co2 iirc, but that made the cost about £7,500-8,000 pa including the impact of losing her allowance. . Yes that's not appealing.
My GC lists at about that, costs me £4,500 pa on PCP or £6,000 pa if you amortised my deposit over the four years and kicks out 159g/km CO2.
The monthly BIK is listed at £546 according to Parkers for an HRTP.
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 16:45:01 GMT
When we were making a decision last year, we (very) briefly looked at Lindsays company car list. She could go up to about £45k list and 150g co2 iirc, but that made the cost about £7,500-8,000 pa including the impact of losing her allowance. . Yes that's not appealing.
My GC lists at about that, costs me £4,500 pa on PCP or £6,000 pa if you amortised my deposit over the four years and kicks out 159g/km CO2.
The monthly BIK is listed at £546 according to Parkers for an HRTP.
Good man maths avoiding insurance, tax, tyres, servicing etc...but it's still cheaper than running one as a company car. I had a quick look at what mine would be, monthly BIK of £1,365 plus loss of allowance, so over £1,700 a month. Interestingly, a Panamera Hybrid specced up to a a similar list price would have monthly BIK or £650, you can see why plug in hybrids are so popular.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 18:04:24 GMT
I had to go through Stratford earlier and so I dropped into Listers for a test sit. Very comfortable seats and the usual Audi 'hewn from solid' interior build quality. It even just about passed the sit behind myself test and certainly seems more roomy than my mother's C Class.
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Post by Alex on Feb 22, 2019 18:20:00 GMT
It isn’t easy making decisions on company cars these days and the rates are getting quite punitive. The model you’ve chosen will have a BIK of over £11k based on being in a band that has a 28% rate for petrol and 32% for diesel cars. It would have been half that not many years ago. That’s why I’m looking like choosing between a Niro or Corolla estate hybrid. Anything more premium or with a better engine quickly brings unjustifiable tax increases which, as you’ve alluded to, is pretty pointless to suffer for the sake of something slightly nicer to sit in motorway traffic in. You’ve certainly chosen a nice car though that looks good inside and out and has a pretty comprehensive spec (as it should for £36k). Might want to check the spec sheet though, it says it only has a 40ltr fuel tank, that seems a bit small.
Not surprised it’s stock only, my Dads friend is trying to get a new C class diesel and the dealer is struggling to get commitment that Mercedes will supply one (he likes to tick a fair few option boxes). I think a lot of manufacturers are scaling down the level of diesel models they’re willing to offer.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 18:39:11 GMT
0-62 in 9.2 seconds and a decent TDI surge for overtaking, so good enough. CO2 and BIK considerations make anything properly interesting out of the question, so my thought is to find an acceptable compromise on the company car and spend more money on 'something for the weekend'. As I sit in endless motorway and A-Road queues I often question why I would want to spend a large amount of my income just to have a nicer engine sound as I inch forward through the roadworks in my daily hack. A weekend drive through the Cotswold lanes it what it is all about for me and so that is going to be my main focus. There is that. Sounds similar performance to the 140bhp TDI in the 54-plate A3 Sportback my mother had two cars ago, which was to say decent if you caught the torque surge. Hope the latest generation 4-pot engines are less tractorish than hers was ! They are a lot less tractorish, fortunately. I seem to remember the 140 being particularly bad for refinement, but this (so I am told) is a completely different engine. The late previous model A4 I rode in a few times was relatively hushed.
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Post by Martin on Feb 22, 2019 18:54:53 GMT
The diesels has a small tank, you can upgrade to the bigger ta k from the petrol for no cost, but I assume this one is already built?
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 22, 2019 19:11:39 GMT
Yes that's not appealing.
My GC lists at about that, costs me £4,500 pa on PCP or £6,000 pa if you amortised my deposit over the four years and kicks out 159g/km CO2.
The monthly BIK is listed at £546 according to Parkers for an HRTP.
Good man maths avoiding insurance, tax, tyres, servicing etc...but it's still cheaper than running one as a company car. I had a quick look at what mine would be, monthly BIK of £1,365 plus loss of allowance, so over £1,700 a month. Interestingly, a Panamera Hybrid specced up to a a similar list price would have monthly BIK or £650, you can see why plug in hybrids are so popular. I hadn't really thought about in that detail. Doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things - perhaps £600 quid per year
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2019 19:13:32 GMT
The diesels has a small tank, you can upgrade to the bigger ta k from the petrol for no cost, but I assume this one is already built? Yes, already built, so we shall have to see what comes. One good point to emerge in the past hour is that they have been able to find a metallic grey one, rather than the standard black, so I have gone for that instead.
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Post by bryan on Feb 22, 2019 20:15:20 GMT
I had an s line Avant TDI dsg whilst the Merc was in the body shop. I was a lovely car, and I think you will like it a lot. Only weirdness was odd auto gearstick setup
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