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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 15:37:22 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 14, 2019 15:37:22 GMT
New Supra finally officially revealed and I'm not usually much one for Japanese cars, but this is the third of recent times that I actually like the look of (the others being the current MX-5 and the Lexus LC):
www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-japanesecars/behold-the-new-toyota-supra/39445
Unsurprisingly perhaps, there is much about the exterior that brings to mind the old Z4M coupe, which I still think is a fabulous-looking piece of kit.
I almost love this too as a design. I really like the rear and the proportions, and some of the detailing like the double bubble roof, and I also quite like the front. Just a pity that they have done something unnecessarily complicated and ugly to the lower/rear part of the doors which looks like it's wearing cheap aftermarket rear wing extensions.
Not digging the frantically '80s two-tone steering wheel so they can keep their launch edition...
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 16:12:57 GMT
Post by michael on Jan 14, 2019 16:12:57 GMT
I think I'd need to see the car in the metal to make my mind up but it looks a bit too fussy in the pictures. The headlamps in particular look like they're from a much wider car and the door treatment really doesn't work. Rear end looks better.
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 16:29:47 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 14, 2019 16:29:47 GMT
I like that a lot.
Somehow I think its very Alfaesque.
When they come onto the used market at my sort of price I might be tempted.
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 16:52:31 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 14, 2019 16:52:31 GMT
I'll have to see it in the metal but in black it'll look like Batman's daily driver.
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 18:28:01 GMT
Post by PG on Jan 14, 2019 18:28:01 GMT
I love the rear view, the bulging rear arches and the double bubble roof. But as you go forward things start to deteriorate. where the rear arches join into the doors looks weird - as if the front and back were really designed for different width cars and were really hard to join together. And the font is pretty busy. Which is a shame as that is an overall pleasing sports car design, spoilt by these details.
I reckon it will be very colour sensitive = the matt grey does it no favours,as it highlights all the details. Whereas in black, red or even white it looks much better.
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 19:41:15 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2019 19:41:15 GMT
I think there’s a decent shape under there somewhere, but it’s ruined by the rear arches and the front end.
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
I’ve had another, longer look. There’s a lot of BMW parts / tech inside, but the exterior looks more of a mess than it did at first glance.
Will reserve judgment until I see it though.
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 23:04:37 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 14, 2019 23:04:37 GMT
Very interesting car. I like the look of it but I’m slightly disappointed after the sensational concept.
Hopefully they’ll have one at Geneva for me to have a sit in. Advantages are the BMW tech and Japanese quality.
Very good Shmee vid on you tube going over the whole car in detail.
Only issue is 60k is a lot of money. How much is the equivalent Z4?
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Supra
Jan 14, 2019 23:27:29 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 14, 2019 23:27:29 GMT
Very interesting car. I like the look of it but I’m slightly disappointed after the sensational concept. Hopefully they’ll have one at Geneva for me to have a sit in. Advantages are the BMW tech and Japanese quality. Very good Shmee vid on you tube going over the whole car in detail. Only issue is 60k is a lot of money. How much is the equivalent Z4? About £50k, but not sure how the spec compares. |
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 4:44:32 GMT
Post by Ben on Jan 15, 2019 4:44:32 GMT
I dunno. I don't quite like the front end design. The rest of the car looks like what a Z4 Coupe would have looked like.
Not a fan.
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 10:42:01 GMT
Post by scouse on Jan 15, 2019 10:42:01 GMT
The rear/rear 3/4 view makes me think someone's poster car was a Viper GTS.
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 13:06:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 13:06:44 GMT
I like that a lot. Somehow I think its very Alfaesque. When they come onto the used market at my sort of price I might be tempted. Ditto, but also can't quite say why. |
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 13:11:03 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 15, 2019 13:11:03 GMT
I like that a lot. Somehow I think its very Alfaesque. When they come onto the used market at my sort of price I might be tempted. Ditto, but also can't quite say why.
It occurred to me as soon as I saw the first photo from the front three quarters, that shouts Alfa to me. In addition the basic shape of the rear lights is similar to the Giulia. It's basically about 95% of what you'd hope a current day mid-range rwd Alfa GTV would look like.
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 13:57:50 GMT
Post by PG on Jan 15, 2019 13:57:50 GMT
Actually, after further consideration, I think it was the rear lights that did it for the Italian connection and that is of course to Maserati, not Alfa.  |
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 14:26:23 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 15, 2019 14:26:23 GMT
I’ve seen a comment on line that it looks like it’s giving birth to a Giulia, which I can just about see. Maybe it’s that?
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 16:12:36 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 15, 2019 16:12:36 GMT
It was the front that got me first.
Hoever, the more I look at the pictures the less I like the chunky metalwork above the window line.
Hopefully it'll be better in real life and my long term plan to get one can continue.
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 17:07:11 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 15, 2019 17:07:11 GMT
The good thing with the Supra and the Z4 is that one is a coupe and one a roadster so they won't really operate in the same market. I quite like the Supra but not to the tune of £60K
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Supra
Jan 15, 2019 22:15:06 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 15, 2019 22:15:06 GMT
The good thing with the Supra and the Z4 is that one is a coupe and one a roadster so they won't really operate in the same market. I quite like the Supra but not to the tune of £60K Cheaper 4 cylinder models are on the way. |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 8:02:00 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 16, 2019 8:02:00 GMT
The good thing with the Supra and the Z4 is that one is a coupe and one a roadster so they won't really operate in the same market. I quite like the Supra but not to the tune of £60K Cheaper 4 cylinder models are on the way. Bring back the Celica, perhaps ?? |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 8:51:12 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 16, 2019 8:51:12 GMT
Cheaper 4 cylinder models are on the way. Bring back the Celica, perhaps ?? Why would you - the GT86 is a much better car at the same price point? |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 9:14:06 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 16, 2019 9:14:06 GMT
Bring back the Celica, perhaps ?? Why would you - the GT86 is a much better car at the same price point?
Or you could have a 3.7 litre, V6, 2 seater Nissan for around £30k instead of the undernourished GT86.
The price of the basic Supra is £52k. Not a particular bargain but you can be fairly certain that there won't be the same opportunities to add £20k of options to that as you get with the German alternatives as most things will probably be standard on the Toyota.
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 9:18:59 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 16, 2019 9:18:59 GMT
Often the case with reality vs concept, but it make the production Supra look very dumpy.  |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 9:22:36 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 16, 2019 9:22:36 GMT
Why would you - the GT86 is a much better car at the same price point?
Or you could have a 3.7 litre, V6, 2 seater Nissan for around £30k instead of the undernourished GT86.
Why do people not understand the point of the GT86 is not outright power, its about handling handling and having fun on normal roads - hence the fitment of skinny Prius tyres? It's like saying why isn't there a 300 bhp MX5. |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 9:28:23 GMT
Post by michael on Jan 16, 2019 9:28:23 GMT
Isn't the GT86 designed to have a flat format engine so there is no change a V6 will fit?
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 10:03:31 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 16, 2019 10:03:31 GMT
Isn't the GT86 designed to have a flat format engine so there is no change a V6 will fit? It was certainly designed around a flat 4 engine sat very low and back in the body to give a low centre of gravity and near 50/50 weight distribution for excellent handling. Whether the low bonnet line would allow fitment of a V6 I don't know but it would certainly be to the detriment of the handling. |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 12:01:56 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 16, 2019 12:01:56 GMT
Or you could have a 3.7 litre, V6, 2 seater Nissan for around £30k instead of the undernourished GT86.
Why do people not understand the point of the GT86 is not outright power, its about handling handling and having fun on normal roads - hence the fitment of skinny Prius tyres? It's like saying why isn't there a 300 bhp MX5.
I DO understand the point of the GT86 but surely the reality for most drivers is that they'll rarely find themselves in a position where they can chase the handling and have fun (assuming they actually have the nerve and talent to get the tail out) and the extra torque that comes with a bigger engine would be far more useful in real life.
To my mind its exactly the same as the Civic Type R I test drove in 2002. Yes, it's nice to thrash the engine to 8k revs but really how often are you going to do that given it would take a change to 2nd gear coming out of a 30 limit to actually get the benefit. For the majority of the time you'll be mildly frustrated at the relative lack of mid-range 'go'.
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 12:13:59 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 16, 2019 12:13:59 GMT
Why do people not understand the point of the GT86 is not outright power, its about handling handling and having fun on normal roads - hence the fitment of skinny Prius tyres? It's like saying why isn't there a 300 bhp MX5.
I DO understand the point of the GT86 but surely the reality for most drivers is that they'll rarely find themselves in a position where they can chase the handling and have fun (assuming they actually have the nerve and talent to get the tail out) and the extra torque that comes with a bigger engine would be far more useful in real life.
Mazda have been wasting their time with the MX5 for 30 years then... We should just go the muscle car route like the Yanks for TLGPs. |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 12:52:29 GMT
Post by Nelson on Jan 16, 2019 12:52:29 GMT
I really like that, a lot, lot of nice details and styling but I can't unsee that is does look like a BMW Z4 coupe. Put a (smaller) BMW grille on that and there you go and that would bug me. BMW interior parts too, bit of a mish mash of styling, doesn't look overly special, perhaps needs some extra gauges, I can't put my finger on it but it doesn't look right. I'd still love to drive and own one mind
Biggest test at that price is up against the Alpine A110. Yes, the Alpine is underpowered compared, (there is a cheap Litchfield conversion which I think brings the Alpine up to 300ps - surely that's a no brainer). An award winning drivers car at c£48k too. That sector is getting better and better with some beautiful looking cars
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 13:34:48 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 16, 2019 13:34:48 GMT
Mazda have been wasting their time with the MX5 for 30 years then... We should just go the muscle car route like the Yanks for TLGPs. You need one of these, a Miata (MX-5) with a 525bhp Corvette LS3 V-8. I wish I had the time and money to build one too |
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Supra
Jan 16, 2019 13:56:31 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 16, 2019 13:56:31 GMT
^ I would hate that. It'd be like putting welders' boots on Darcey Bussell.
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