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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 8:10:27 GMT
I wonder when the extremists will work out how to carry a command detonated device on a drone and fly it up to a commercial flight.
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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 21, 2018 8:31:40 GMT
I wonder when the extremists will work out how to carry a command detonated device on a drone and fly it up to a commercial flight. I'm sure they already can, just as I'm sure counter-measures are already in place. Which is what makes this whole thing seem very shady indeed to me.
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Post by johnc on Dec 21, 2018 9:08:55 GMT
I wonder when the extremists will work out how to carry a command detonated device on a drone and fly it up to a commercial flight. I'm sure they already can, just as I'm sure counter-measures are already in place. Which is what makes this whole thing seem very shady indeed to me. When you say shady do you mean you think this is more than some delinquent prick trying to mess up people's travel plans?
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 21, 2018 9:15:26 GMT
I don’t know why they didn’t just shoot the fucker down. Whoever it was wants kicking from here to hell and back. I think it was some stupid teenager, personally.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 21, 2018 9:40:53 GMT
I don’t know why they didn’t just shoot the fucker down. Whoever it was wants kicking from here to hell and back. I think it was some stupid teenager, personally. Yes, but if they miss some poor innocent bugger might get hit instead.
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Post by Tim on Dec 21, 2018 10:17:40 GMT
I don’t know why they didn’t just shoot the fucker down. Whoever it was wants kicking from here to hell and back. I think it was some stupid teenager, personally. Yes, but if they miss some poor innocent bugger might get hit instead.
That's the point that's been made.
Whoever's responsible, I don't think they should go to jail but instead make them repay the airlines and insurance companies for as long as it takes (probably the rest of their life). I don't see why I should effectively pay a part of the compensation because of some arsehole (probably) who thought it'd be a laugh.
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Post by bryan on Dec 21, 2018 10:30:19 GMT
I think it is some kids pissing about but it could also be something bigger with that chap from spooks telling Ruth to use the kids pissing about line 😁😁😁
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Post by Blarno on Dec 21, 2018 10:36:26 GMT
A couple of the lads at work have drones which have been brought in on various occasions. Both of them have a built in function that prevents them from entering the airspace of (very) nearby John Lennon airport. Not sure if this is a function of the drone itself or a virtual no fly zone surrounding the airport, but we tested the function and flew one towards the airport, only to have it stop and return automatically.
Surely it can't be that difficult to have a signal jammer surrounding the airport that simply causes the rogue drones to either return to sender or suffer a total shutdown and a plummet to the ground?
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Post by johnc on Dec 21, 2018 10:43:25 GMT
I can understand that some high velocity bullet which misses (in which case the person doing the shooting shouldn't be allowed to use a gun) could do someone an injury 5 miles away. However when trying to shoot birds out of the sky a shotgun is the preferred weapon and that won't hurt anyone more than maybe a quarter mile away. They could have run around in pickup trucks with a couple of shotgun shooters in the back and could have brought it down. It might also have kept the perpetrators occupied as they tried to avoid the shotguns. Meanwhile the Police and security should have been everywhere in line of sight to flush the bastard(s) out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:45:28 GMT
There was talk of directed magnetic pulse weapons a while ago.
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Post by Martin on Dec 21, 2018 10:59:16 GMT
There is at least one solution available link
Or something a bit more fun to use link
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 21, 2018 11:07:00 GMT
I can understand that some high velocity bullet which misses (in which case the person doing the shooting shouldn't be allowed to use a gun) could do someone an injury 5 miles away. However when trying to shoot birds out of the sky a shotgun is the preferred weapon and that won't hurt anyone more than maybe a quarter mile away. They could have run around in pickup trucks with a couple of shotgun shooters in the back and could have brought it down. It might also have kept the perpetrators occupied as they tried to avoid the shotguns. Meanwhile the Police and security should have been everywhere in line of sight to flush the bastard(s) out. I hear what your saying but let's get real; look at how many miles of perimeter fence you're talking about patrolling with men mounted on the back of pick-ups, blasting away at any small, fast moving, object in the sky. It's not a realistic solution. You'd also have to be doing that while the airport was in operation as these drones disappear when flights stop and re-appear intermittently. Most commercial drones have geofencing software built into them to prevent them entering restricted airspace but this can be disabled by a competent hacker. Ten years minimum for the culprits.
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Post by Alex on Dec 21, 2018 11:50:44 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 21, 2018 13:39:10 GMT
Surely it can't be that difficult to have a signal jammer surrounding the airport that simply causes the rogue drones to either return to sender or suffer a total shutdown and a plummet to the ground? That's what I would have thought, at the very least... if not, some large, strong nets draped down from the police helicopter or ground-launched to trap and disable the offending drone. You'd have though with all the missile technology available that there would have been something developed for the security forces that could be fired at, and destroy, an offending drone especially as the ones at Gatwick are reported to have been "substantial" rather than just Christmas-plaything-sized. And if, many years ago, we supposedly had the technology to find people watching their TVs without a licence from the road outside, surely we should be able to detect where the signals to control the drones were coming from?
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Post by Martin on Dec 21, 2018 13:39:57 GMT
Surely it can't be that difficult to have a signal jammer surrounding the airport that simply causes the rogue drones to either return to sender or suffer a total shutdown and a plummet to the ground? That's what I would have thought, at the very least... if not, some large, strong nets draped down from the police helicopter or ground-launched to trap and disable the offending drone. You'd have though with all the missile technology available that there would have been something developed for the security forces that could be fired at, and destroy, an offending drone especially as the ones at Gatwick are reported to have been "substantial" rather than just Christmas-plaything-sized. And if, many years ago, we supposedly had the technology to find people watching their TVs without a licence from the road outside, surely we should be able to detect where the signals to control the drones were coming from? There is the technology, the links are in my earlier post.
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Post by PG on Dec 21, 2018 14:53:37 GMT
As bob said, geofencing can be switched off by hack of the software, so that does allow drones to be flown into airspace on purpose.
As I see it a lot of the potential countermeasures have side effects or issues. But is an emergency, stuff needs to be tried and tested to see what can work.
Bazookas that shoot nets are nice but you need to get within 100m of the drone. Shotguns might work but you'd need to be about 30-50m away and I don't think that stray shot on the runway would do jet engines much good. All sorts of high velocity firearm are going to be too dangerous to use - yes a last defence gatling gun like on naval craft would work, but that would be rather devastating for the people downrange. The military do have electronic counter measures, but the article I read said that they would also result in loss of radio transmission and everything gets jammed - control towers and peoples' mobiles to name just two things. And things that disable wifi comms back to the controller would of course also disable all the local wifi and fuck up computer networks.
So short term, you can jam and disable the drones, but whilst you did that, I think the airport would come to a halt anyway.
The one technology that has been talked about that sounds useful is high power lasers that can disable the drone. If they could be arrange as a perimeter defence then that would be useful.
I also wondered if a modern version of chain-shot (which was basically two small cannon balls connected by a chain or hinged piece of metal) as was used to bring down rigging on naval sailing ships might be worth exploring.
Of course, if the kit in the links above does work (is it laser based or ECM based it does not really say..) then the real question is why the f have UK airports not got access to it already? They are privately owned, so it is up to the operator to have the equipment, but I expect that they expect the police to provide it as part of security.
I expect the SAS will now take up hidden residence outside the perimeter of UK airports and hope to catch any perpetrators directly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 17:24:47 GMT
Sadly, anyone caught will have to go to court, jibbets are frowned upon for some reason. Hacking code, one downside of a free internet.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 21, 2018 17:48:43 GMT
They're back!
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Post by johnc on Dec 21, 2018 17:56:56 GMT
Let's hope the SAS really are closing in on them
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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 21, 2018 23:33:11 GMT
I'm sure they already can, just as I'm sure counter-measures are already in place. Which is what makes this whole thing seem very shady indeed to me. When you say shady do you mean you think this is more than some delinquent prick trying to mess up people's travel plans? I wouldn't be at all surprised; this is the sort of thing (OK, maybe not to this extent) governments do to hide/obfuscate some sort of dastardly act/deal/event they don't think we need to know about. For example, has anyone seen Betty in the last day or two?
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 22, 2018 8:23:13 GMT
When you say shady do you mean you think this is more than some delinquent prick trying to mess up people's travel plans? I wouldn't be at all surprised; this is the sort of thing (OK, maybe not to this extent) governments do to hide/obfuscate some sort of dastardly act/deal/event they don't think we need to know about. For example, has anyone seen Betty in the last day or two? Last seen boarding a train for Kings Lynn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 8:27:20 GMT
Two arrest's last night apparently. Waterboarding?
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 22, 2018 9:25:47 GMT
Two arrest's last night apparently. Waterboarding? Just pin labels to them and release them into the Gatwick main terminal.
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Post by johnc on Dec 22, 2018 10:37:15 GMT
Two arrest's last night apparently. Waterboarding? Just pin labels to them and release them into the Gatwick main terminal. I think that would be a very fitting means of determining the public's views on the level of punishment required.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 13:14:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 14:43:17 GMT
Sadly, anyone caught will have to go to court, Do you really mean that? I'm hoping it's just hyperbole.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 15:13:42 GMT
They spoiled their chances by announcing the arrest's, otherwise a Cuban holiday could have ensued.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 16:03:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 16:05:01 GMT
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Post by PG on Dec 24, 2018 14:19:42 GMT
And now they have released the two people with no charges. It was almost as if they were taking a lesson from the French police. You know how when anyone was murdered they just used to round up all the vagrants and beat a confession out of one of them. Allegedly... Sussex police just got a list of legal drone owners, picked a name, et voila, case solved......
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