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Post by michael on Nov 22, 2018 19:47:46 GMT
Article on Autocar about a unit into which dashcam footage can be submitted. Although I would have avoided the lengthy court case I had a few years back had I had a dashcam, they really don't sit well with me.
Where do others stand on this? It's said their are around 120,000 paid informants in Beijing, I'd hope we're a way off that but I'm not keen on the direction of travel.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 22, 2018 22:03:37 GMT
I have one for my own use only. I won’t post up footage and I won’t snitch unless there is an accident. I only got one due to the amount of people cutting corners on our local roads which would usually result in 50/50 unless proven otherwise.
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Post by Martin on Nov 22, 2018 22:18:42 GMT
I can see the beneft and have them fitted in all my lorries, but they don’t sit well with me in private cars either. If see a car being driven badly / aggressively, there’s a high probability it will have a dash cam and stickers to make sure you know you’re being recorded.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 22, 2018 23:38:15 GMT
I can see the beneft and have them fitted in all my lorries, but they don’t sit well with me in private cars either. If see a car being driven badly / aggressively, there’s a high probability it will have a dash cam and stickers to make sure you know you’re being recorded. You can be guaranteed that all dashcam warriors drive like twats and accelerate into hazard situations to produce footage. Hazard perception and defensive driving are not part of their makeup.
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Post by PG on Nov 23, 2018 7:10:32 GMT
I can see the point of dashcams as a tool to help in insurance situations but not this proposed use. Aren't we continually told that vigilantism is not a good thing by the police and authorities? Seems a dangerous road to go down.
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Post by humphreythepug on Nov 23, 2018 7:37:43 GMT
Can you imagine the 1000 of hours of absolute dross they will have to sift through to get anything half decent.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 23, 2018 9:04:46 GMT
I bet they conveniently ignore the dashcam footage they get of police cars committing traffic offences when not under blue light conditions.
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Post by Tim on Nov 23, 2018 9:22:23 GMT
I can see the beneft and have them fitted in all my lorries, but they don’t sit well with me in private cars either. If see a car being driven badly / aggressively, there’s a high probability it will have a dash cam and stickers to make sure you know you’re being recorded. You can be guaranteed that all dashcam warriors drive like twats and accelerate into hazard situations to produce footage. Hazard perception and defensive driving are not part of their makeup.
Agree with all of that.
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Post by michael on Nov 23, 2018 9:41:27 GMT
I do wonder if it’s only a matter of time before they’re compulsory. I see insurance companies are now discounting for their use b addition to those ‘safe drivers’ apps. It’s a slippery slope but I hate the idea we should police each other.
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Post by Tim on Nov 23, 2018 10:17:24 GMT
Did you see the story yesterday suggesting an insurance discount for drivers who take a 'cyclist aware' course and the proposal that councils be allowed to install CCTV cameras to police cars parking cycle lanes?
I'm sure it had come from a Government dept.
I'm not particularly in favour unless this approach is even handed, i.e. use the CCTV to take action against cyclists who don't use the cycle lane, require them to have insurance and, most importantly, force them to take a 'road aware' course that would teach them the basics such as what a red light means and why its important to have lights on your bike when its dark.
That last stuff is never going to happen of course.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 10:32:44 GMT
Dash cam will not take account of idiots who do not know how to indicate at roundabouts for example. Are we going to have 360 degree camera's forced on us?
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Post by Blarno on Nov 23, 2018 11:57:12 GMT
I have thought a bout a dashcam, because I encounter many, many idiots on my way home. Ultimately, I speed far too much so I don't want to incriminate myself.
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Post by Alex on Nov 23, 2018 11:59:27 GMT
You can be guaranteed that all dashcam warriors drive like twats and accelerate into hazard situations to produce footage. Hazard perception and defensive driving are not part of their makeup.
Agree with all of that.
Me too, especially the ones that accelerate towards round about so that those entering from their left with plenty of space can receive a good blast of the horn. I have wondered about getting one myself in case I am involved in an accident that isn’t my fault but has no witnesses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 12:23:20 GMT
"...especially the ones that accelerate towards round about so that those entering from their left with plenty of space can receive a good blast of the horn".
Happens here a lot, almost T boned on a couple of occasions. I have no idea what it's for but on some days driving becomes a sequence of junctions treated like dodgems or ignore the red light events, even bus drivers sometimes.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 23, 2018 13:42:40 GMT
Most of my footage will be of me, out of view of the camera, shouting at the cars in front of me for not moving away from a green light fast enough.
Honestly, why are people so bloody slow to react to a green light? It's not like the light turning green should be a surprise - that's what happens if you've been sat at a red light for any amount of time. There isn't a day goes by that I'm not sat 10-15 cars back from one particular set of lights and I am ready to move off before the 3 cars at the front of the queue are.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 23, 2018 13:46:19 GMT
I have thought a bout a dashcam, because I encounter many, many idiots on my way home. Ultimately, I speed far too much so I don't want to incriminate myself.This. The number of retards on motorbikes I see with cameras attached to their helmets. Where's the first place to look when you have an accident? I won't have one but I can see the benefit when you're wronged. Also what if you happen to have an accident and the other party caused it and THEY have a dash cam that recorded all their shiteness? What are your rights to demand that footage?
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 23, 2018 14:16:31 GMT
Police can seize dashcam footage.
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Post by Tim on Nov 23, 2018 15:23:45 GMT
Most of my footage will be of me, out of view of the camera, shouting at the cars in front of me for not moving away from a green light fast enough. Honestly, why are people so bloody slow to react to a green light?
Simple, next time you're stationary at a set of lights look at the cars around you, guaranteed most of them will be attending to some important message on their mobile phone that's being held out of sight in their lap.
I overheard a colleague (female, 28 yo) earlier telling another one that she had read their message on the way home. This would be in her 2012 Audi A1 that doesn't have any facility to safely display texts so she was clearly using her mobile in a hand-held capacity
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 16:06:35 GMT
It is hard to understand why people cannot resist using their mobile phone, watching films of painting their faces on the way to work etc and that does not include people eating their dinner on the move. There are firms that will sack drivers for NOT answering their phone while driving. Madness without the excuse of baggy trousers.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 9:54:19 GMT
I bet they conveniently ignore the dashcam footage they get of police cars committing traffic offences when not under blue light conditions. Unlikely, Bob. Professional Standards love stuff like that these days. I don't see a problem with asking for dashcam footage. It's simply an extension of a CCTV trawl that is routinely done in a crime investigation. I have a dashcam but I make sure the speed display and audio are both off. Speed because sometimes I might do "71" on the motorway and audio because it would be a ranty swearfest. I also bear in mind that if a collision might be my fault the SD card might have been "left at home"! On that last point, in the case of a serious or fatal collision things like dashcams, mobile phone records and car telemetry data would be investigated. So one benefit could be a more detailed investigation but the flip side is more intrusion.
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Post by Alex on Nov 27, 2018 14:22:23 GMT
I bet they conveniently ignore the dashcam footage they get of police cars committing traffic offences when not under blue light conditions. Unlikely, Bob. Professional Standards love stuff like that these days. I don't see a problem with asking for dashcam footage. It's simply an extension of a CCTV trawl that is routinely done in a crime investigation. I have a dashcam but I make sure the speed display and audio are both off. Speed because sometimes I might do "71" on the motorway and audio because it would be a ranty swearfest. I also bear in mind that if a collision might be my fault the SD card might have been "left at home"! On that last point, in the case of a serious or fatal collision things like dashcams, mobile phone records and car telemetry data would be investigated. So one benefit could be a more detailed investigation but the flip side is more intrusion. Surely even the least experienced, fresh out of school copper would see right through the ‘SD card left at home’ line? Nobody does that! Hand it over sunshine... As to the OP I don’t see this as any different to coppers having body cams these days. It’s important that footage is for the purpose of catching incriminating evidence against both the accused and the driver of the police car and, that being the case, I’m fine with it.
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Post by michael on Nov 27, 2018 15:30:26 GMT
On that last point, in the case of a serious or fatal collision things like dashcams, mobile phone records and car telemetry data would be investigated. So one benefit could be a more detailed investigation but the flip side is more intrusion. This isn't the same as a CCTV trawl after an event, I don't think think anyone would have an issue with that. What the articles suggests is a snitching unit where users can send their footage of incidents to have the police investigate the driving of others. Basically using the public as informants.
I saw a clip on Twitter of some dashcam warrior who did encounter some poor driving from a Nissan Qashqai but their solution was up the ante and drive as much of a twat themselves with it all on video.
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Post by Tim on Nov 27, 2018 15:33:35 GMT
If you look on You Tube for something like 'UK Road Rage' there is endless footage (including voice commentary) of some BMW touring bike mounted road warrior who gets angry at the slightest, often minor, indiscretion. I'm sure he'll have this units email address at the top of his favourites list.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 15:39:06 GMT
Most of my footage will be of me, out of view of the camera, shouting at the cars in front of me for not moving away from a green light fast enough. Honestly, why are people so bloody slow to react to a green light? It's not like the light turning green should be a surprise - that's what happens if you've been sat at a red light for any amount of time. There isn't a day goes by that I'm not sat 10-15 cars back from one particular set of lights and I am ready to move off before the 3 cars at the front of the queue are. This x eleventy million.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 15:48:22 GMT
This isn't the same as a CCTV trawl after an event, I don't think think anyone would have an issue with that. What the articles suggests is a snitching unit where users can send their footage of incidents to have the police investigate the driving of others. Basically using the public as informants.
I saw a clip on Twitter of some dashcam warrior who did encounter some poor driving from a Nissan Qashqai but their solution was up the ante and drive as much of a twat themselves with it all on video.
I can't see how the police can justify inviting in low level dross work when we can't resource far more significant matters but we do it all the time. I presume some will simply be deemed as not in the public interest but it does seem to be trawling for work, I'll grant you that. Like Tim says, stuff like this has bee on YouTube for a while and it frequently pops up on Facebook "Spotted" pages.
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Post by Alex on Nov 27, 2018 18:11:23 GMT
This isn't the same as a CCTV trawl after an event, I don't think think anyone would have an issue with that. What the articles suggests is a snitching unit where users can send their footage of incidents to have the police investigate the driving of others. Basically using the public as informants.
I saw a clip on Twitter of some dashcam warrior who did encounter some poor driving from a Nissan Qashqai but their solution was up the ante and drive as much of a twat themselves with it all on video.
I can't see how the police can justify inviting in low level dross work when we can't resource far more significant matters but we do it all the time. I presume some will simply be deemed as not in the public interest but it does seem to be trawling for work, I'll grant you that. Like Tim says, stuff like this has bee on YouTube for a while and it frequently pops up on Facebook "Spotted" pages. How would the CPS view your case if you only had an unverified dashcam video as evidence of a crime worth prosecuting? Surely they’d chuck out most of the stuff being uploaded to YouTube. If it’s obvious dangerous driving such as running red lights or clearly overtaking at significant speed in a 30 zone then maybe but you’d still be on dodgy ground and would struggle to prove who the driver was (it still amazes me that we have to legally say who was driving a car caught by a speed camera, I thought we had a right not to incriminate ourselves?)
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Post by Boxer6 on Nov 27, 2018 19:00:09 GMT
I can't see how the police can justify inviting in low level dross work when we can't resource far more significant matters but we do it all the time. I presume some will simply be deemed as not in the public interest but it does seem to be trawling for work, I'll grant you that. Like Tim says, stuff like this has bee on YouTube for a while and it frequently pops up on Facebook "Spotted" pages. How would the CPS view your case if you only had an unverified dashcam video as evidence of a crime worth prosecuting? Surely they’d chuck out most of the stuff being uploaded to YouTube. If it’s obvious dangerous driving such as running red lights or clearly overtaking at significant speed in a 30 zone then maybe but you’d still be on dodgy ground and would struggle to prove who the driver was (it still amazes me that we have to legally say who was driving a car caught by a speed camera, I thought we had a right not to incriminate ourselves?)Doesn't apply to cashcows - sorry, motorists; otherwise too many people would be saying "Nah, t'weren't me guvnor" and the gummint wouldn't get any (more) money!
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 27, 2018 19:09:50 GMT
Don't you just have to claim it was some Russian bloke and then conveniently forget that your employer was closed for the summer recess and anyway, as a new employee, you were overwhelned with everything anyway so it was all just a big mistake. And no, it wasn't me driving anyway. Oh sorry, that's just MPs.
Alex, I presume it depends on the quality of the footage and what it proves or doesn't prove.
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Post by grampa on Nov 27, 2018 19:20:45 GMT
If you look on You Tube for something like 'UK Road Rage' there is endless footage (including voice commentary) of some BMW touring bike mounted road warrior who gets angry at the slightest, often minor, indiscretion. I'm sure he'll have this units email address at the top of his favourites list. Just had a look. Grade A twat! As has been just about everyone I see who posts dashcam footage online.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 28, 2018 8:30:38 GMT
(it still amazes me that we have to legally say who was driving a car caught by a speed camera, I thought we had a right not to incriminate ourselves?) Indeed - I think this is a complete cop-out (pun intended) by government trying to cut down on the numbers of Police. I feel that the Police or whoever should actually be around at the point an offence was committed in order to point out at the time to the offender what they had done wrong. We rely far too much on cameras etc to just punish people financially rather than trying to educate them on the errors of their ways and the possible consequences - OK I appreciate that there are always some who won't care but we could at least try (and this doesn't just apply to motoring issues)
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