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Post by racingteatray on Oct 29, 2018 14:59:29 GMT
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Post by michael on Oct 29, 2018 15:03:22 GMT
I'd like to think BMW have noticed how many estates AMG and RS manage to sell and that maybe it's time they did this. I'm not in the market, obviously, but it'll no doubt be the best looking new 3 series with proper round exhaust pipes and a less fussy set of bumpers.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 29, 2018 15:22:22 GMT
Hope it's got a hose clean rear compartment for when those Golden Retrievers have been round the Nurburgring in it.
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Post by Tim on Oct 29, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
Are they going to make it 4wd to overcome the traction shortfall they clearly have with the current/recently deceased one?
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Post by Sav on Oct 30, 2018 0:00:09 GMT
I'd like to think BMW have noticed how many estates AMG and RS manage to sell and that maybe it's time they did this. I'm not in the market, obviously, but it'll no doubt be the best looking new 3 series with proper round exhaust pipes and a less fussy set of bumpers. Indeed. Its a bit like with the standard 5-Series, and the M5. The latter looks so much better, with round tail pipes. I always liked the way that the M Sport models mimicked the styling of the M cars, the E60 would be a good example, sadly not any more. I really don't like the M340i; horrible-looking grille, horrible wheels, horrible front bumper, horrible exhaust exits. I don't think an M3 Touring will happen, personally. Premium load luggers are a European thing, limited potential in the US and markets like China. Audi seem to have their own Avant fan club. Plus, the last time BMW offered an M Touring it didn't sell very well. Lots of people on the internet ask for M Tourings, too few would actually buy them. BMW made a prototype E46 Touring, what a car it would have been: www.bmwblog.com/2016/09/28/one-off-bmw-e46-m3-touring/4WD seems to be happening with the next M3, along with standard RWD. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 30, 2018 8:33:18 GMT
The photos of the car on the 'ring don't look like an M car to me - it has too much roll. However the touring looks much better to my eyes than the saloon where the curve down the middle of the doors doesn't look right. I also doubt we will see an M3 Touring but there certainly seems to be talk of 4WD which would then put a new M4 on my list of possibles provided the price doesn't go super-sized.
As an aside, I see a guy round my way who drives a lovely blue M6 GC. I have chatted to him in the petrol station a few times and also the supermarket car park and his biggest complaint was traction in the damp and in the winter months. I noticed that he had changed it for a San Marino Blue M4 about 2 months ago (his private plate is very distinctive and is probably worth about £25K+) but last night in the petrol station he rolled up in a black X5M. I said I had seen his number on an M4 and he said that had been a mistake and it had nearly as many traction issues as the M6 and it wasn't comfortable on our roads (he test drove it on a warmish day). He isn't convinced he will stick with the X5M much more than the winter but is looking forward to seeing if BMW will be doing an M8 GC in 4WD which would interest him. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 30, 2018 8:59:55 GMT
The photos of the car on the 'ring don't look like an M car to me - it has too much roll. However the touring looks much better to my eyes than the saloon where the curve down the middle of the doors doesn't look right. I also doubt we will see an M3 Touring but there certainly seems to be talk of 4WD which would then put a new M4 on my list of possibles provided the price doesn't go super-sized.
As an aside, I see a guy round my way who drives a lovely blue M6 GC. I have chatted to him in the petrol station a few times and also the supermarket car park and his biggest complaint was traction in the damp and in the winter months. I noticed that he had changed it for a San Marino Blue M4 about 2 months ago (his private plate is very distinctive and is probably worth about £25K+) but last night in the petrol station he rolled up in a black X5M. I said I had seen his number on an M4 and he said that had been a mistake and it had nearly as many traction issues as the M6 and it wasn't comfortable on our roads (he test drove it on a warmish day). He isn't convinced he will stick with the X5M much more than the winter but is looking forward to seeing if BMW will be doing an M8 GC in 4WD which would interest him. There is a lesson for you there John! The 7 has brilliant traction in the dry, you rarely see the TC light which is surprising. It’s better than an M140 as an example, so probably a lot better than an M4 or C63. However, with the low temperatures and damp roads you do need to be a bit careful if you don’t want the traction control to cut in. Not much of a problem in a luxury car that spends most of its life on the motorway, but not what you’d want in a sports car that doesn’t. I was initially pegged by a Macan Diesel yesterday at the TLGP until I got to 50mph and felt I was able to use full throttle, then I pulled away quickly. Be interesting to see what effect winter tyres have. Or just use the Golf when on non motorway journeys. |
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 30, 2018 9:24:08 GMT
That looks so ordinary, plus the exhausts are in the wrong place for a Touring - you'd probably dirty your trousers every time you put something in (or took something out) of the boot. Move the exhausts to the outer edges of the bumper and give it a special paint job or more bespoke front/rear wings or something, and you'd have a decent proposition for an M3 Touring (IMHO). Somehow, Alpina know what to do with appearances to make a BMW look "special" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 10:06:16 GMT
There is a lesson for you there John! The 7 has brilliant traction in the dry, you rarely see the TC light which is surprising. It’s better than an M140 as an example, so probably a lot better than an M4 or C63. However, with the low temperatures and damp roads you do need to be a bit careful if you don’t want the traction control to cut in. Not much of a problem in a luxury car that spends most of its life on the motorway, but not what you’d want in a sports car that doesn’t. I was initially pegged by a Macan Diesel yesterday at the TLGP until I got to 50mph and felt I was able to use full throttle, then I pulled away quickly. Be interesting to see what effect winter tyres have. Or just use the Golf when on non motorway journeys. I think what John means is that with 4wd, you can use full throttle whenever you want. You do get used to that, to the point of not having it feeling like a deficiency. Horses for courses, obviously... |
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 30, 2018 10:08:41 GMT
That looks so ordinary, plus the exhausts are in the wrong place for a Touring - you'd probably dirty your trousers every time you put something in (or took something out) of the boot. Move the exhausts to the outer edges of the bumper and give it a special paint job or more bespoke front/rear wings or something, and you'd have a decent proposition for an M3 Touring (IMHO). Chris, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 30, 2018 10:11:07 GMT
There is a lesson for you there John! The 7 has brilliant traction in the dry, you rarely see the TC light which is surprising. It’s better than an M140 as an example, so probably a lot better than an M4 or C63. However, with the low temperatures and damp roads you do need to be a bit careful if you don’t want the traction control to cut in. Not much of a problem in a luxury car that spends most of its life on the motorway, but not what you’d want in a sports car that doesn’t. I was initially pegged by a Macan Diesel yesterday at the TLGP until I got to 50mph and felt I was able to use full throttle, then I pulled away quickly. Be interesting to see what effect winter tyres have. Or just use the Golf when on non motorway journeys. I think what John means is that with 4wd, you can use full throttle whenever you want. You do get used to that, to the point of not having it feeling like a deficiency. Horses for courses, obviously... I was trying to say the same and as he’s used to it, he will definitely miss it. I’m a 4wd convert, with a couple of caveats... it depends on how good the system is and it’s not necessary on all cars. It’s not only the ability to use full throttle, I like that way that you can feel the power move to the back and the line tighten when you add power (in the Golf) |
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Post by Tim on Oct 30, 2018 10:45:22 GMT
The photos of the car on the 'ring don't look like an M car to me - it has too much roll. However the touring looks much better to my eyes than the saloon where the curve down the middle of the doors doesn't look right. I also doubt we will see an M3 Touring but there certainly seems to be talk of 4WD which would then put a new M4 on my list of possibles provided the price doesn't go super-sized.
I assume the car in the photos is the 330i 4 pot as it has the 2 round exhausts. The M340i had the crap trapezoidal pipes.
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Post by johnc on Oct 30, 2018 12:55:13 GMT
It’s not only the ability to use full throttle, I like that way that you can feel the power move to the back and the line tighten when you add power (in the Golf) Yes! There are a few roundabouts on A roads I tackle regularly and it's good fun to play with the throttle to adjust angles. Go in a bit hard, lift off just as you feel understeer might creep in and then give it some power and feel the back end dig down and catapult you out.
The E53 coupe is ticking a lot of boxes for me at the moment (450hp incl electric assistance and proper 4WD with torque vectoring to all wheels). I find it really hard to let go of BMW though.
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Post by Andy C on Oct 30, 2018 14:10:30 GMT
Superb . Will be great if they do make it
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Post by Andy C on Oct 30, 2018 14:13:11 GMT
I think what John means is that with 4wd, you can use full throttle whenever you want. You do get used to that, to the point of not having it feeling like a deficiency. Horses for courses, obviously... I was trying to say the same and as he’s used to it, he will definitely miss it. I’m a 4wd convert, with a couple of caveats... it depends on how good the system is and it’s not necessary on all cars. It’s not only the ability to use full throttle, I like that way that you can feel the power move to the back and the line tighten when you add power (in the Golf) My mate who has the M140i on PSS can find traction issues in the cold , and on damp roads. Also with mine you have to be careful as it will torque steer , where as the Leon cupra I drove was amusing in that you could just mash the throttle and it would just go , no questions asked . I can see the appeal for sure |
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Post by Martin on Oct 30, 2018 14:35:26 GMT
I was trying to say the same and as he’s used to it, he will definitely miss it. I’m a 4wd convert, with a couple of caveats... it depends on how good the system is and it’s not necessary on all cars. It’s not only the ability to use full throttle, I like that way that you can feel the power move to the back and the line tighten when you add power (in the Golf) My mate who has the M140i on PSS can find traction issues in the cold , and on damp roads. Also with mine you have to be careful as it will torque steer , where as the Leon cupra I drove was amusing in that you could just mash the throttle and it would just go , no questions asked . I can see the appeal for sure It will struggle on slightly bumpy roads as well. The chassis in the Golf gives you a lot more confidence as well as traction. I did a back to back test drive with a 730d (bet that doesn’t happen often!) and the 7 was quicker on B roads as it dealt with the bumps so much better. Im sure it wouldn’t have been if queef was at the wheel and not worried about binning the demo car or making his wife sick...but that’s real life for you. |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 30, 2018 14:47:01 GMT
It’s not only the ability to use full throttle, I like that way that you can feel the power move to the back and the line tighten when you add power (in the Golf) The E53 coupe is ticking a lot of boxes for me at the moment (450hp incl electric assistance and proper 4WD with torque vectoring to all wheels). I find it really hard to let go of BMW though.
It's the dashboards on the current crop of Mercs that I cannot abide. The rest I quite like (asides the silly side glazing on the E coupe which just looks amateur). |
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Post by johnc on Oct 30, 2018 15:33:05 GMT
(asides the silly side glazing on the E coupe which just looks amateur). Ever since you pointed that out my eye is always drawn to the rear window on an E Class Coupe - not because I want to look at it, just because Racing said he hated it! |
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Post by Tim on Oct 30, 2018 15:37:13 GMT
I haven't been in a sporty Benz but all the normal ones I've trvelled in over the years have had atrocious seats - short and too firm, including a current shape C Class.
Are the sporty ones better?
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Post by Martin on Oct 30, 2018 17:26:38 GMT
I haven't been in a sporty Benz but all the normal ones I've trvelled in over the years have had atrocious seats - short and too firm, including a current shape C Class. Are the sporty ones better? Worse. At least the E63S is, felt uncomfortable after 5min sitting in the performance seats. The S Class is better, but still too short in the backrest and not as comfortable as you’d expect. |
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 31, 2018 9:58:43 GMT
They've noticed how many B3 Tourings get sold....
Also the current M-car thinking is easier to adapt standard cars to M-cars; there's no outright bespoke engine anymore so they just add some hotter peripherals on and different suspension and computer settings and hey presto: it's an M-car. Given that these are about handling these days and most engines are hot enough already allied to the fact that all these cars have performance and ability way beyond the reach of 99.9% of the purchasers that's OK. I just don't think that M-car kudos is what it was, but then I'm a jaded old fart these days anyway.
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Post by Tim on Oct 31, 2018 10:34:15 GMT
I haven't been in a sporty Benz but all the normal ones I've trvelled in over the years have had atrocious seats - short and too firm, including a current shape C Class. Are the sporty ones better? Worse. At least the E63S is, felt uncomfortable after 5min sitting in the performance seats. The S Class is better, but still too short in the backrest and not as comfortable as you’d expect.
Hmmm. I always have a temptation to look at E63 estates - the older ones with the 6.3 engine - but from photos in ads the seats, even in those, don't look particularly supportive. The seats are one of the things I like most about my current 320.
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