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Post by michael on Oct 25, 2018 17:40:31 GMT
New small VW 4x4 which is apparently different to the T-Roc:  |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Oct 25, 2018 19:52:24 GMT
VAG stuff seems to be getting less differentiated. Looks entirely like a Seat Ateca.
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Post by cbeaks1 on Oct 25, 2018 19:59:29 GMT
Or even Arona.
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Post by Tim on Oct 26, 2018 8:06:35 GMT
Predictable.
Does anyone remember the CAR mag front cover from years ago when they had a froth about manufacturer model ranges looking the same - I think it was in the era of the Citroen ZX (which was bland).
Well I think that we're at that now but across a whole section of the industry and while the cars aren't bland as such they are all full of the same technical styling details that if you swapped the badges you might be hard pressed to identify whose it was.
There are a few that escape that but, for example, my neighbour across the road has a grey 2013 model Honda Civic and when I look at it the front of it now I see the Micra's big brother!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 26, 2018 8:21:42 GMT
Predictable. Does anyone remember the CAR mag front cover from years ago when they had a froth about manufacturer model ranges looking the same - I think it was in the era of the Citroen ZX (which was bland). Well I think that we're at that now but across a whole section of the industry and while the cars aren't bland as such they are all full of the same technical styling details that if you swapped the badges you might be hard pressed to identify whose it was. There are a few that escape that but, for example, my neighbour across the road has a grey 2013 model Honda Civic and when I look at it the front of it now I see the Micra's big brother! People have become more and more conservative design wise and manufacturers are reacting to this. You see it in house styles, clothes, consumer goods. Any manufacturer who tries anything slightly out of the ordinary is met with a flurry of online negativity. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 26, 2018 8:48:35 GMT
It doesn't stop them though does it?
The BMW X7 appears a perfect example but they could try something different.
They could try sleek and simple.
Don't these technical designs age badly?
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Post by PG on Oct 27, 2018 13:06:51 GMT
So if the T-Roc is the VW take on the Q2, then this must be the "Q1" that Audi don't have (yet..).
Actually it looks quite well proportioned and I'm sure will sell really well. But it is dull.
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Post by humphreythepug on Oct 27, 2018 14:00:42 GMT
So where does it sit in the range, is it smaller than the T-Roc, which isn't actually that big?
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Post by michael on Oct 27, 2018 17:09:51 GMT
So where does it sit in the range, is it smaller than the T-Roc, which isn't actually that big? The interview with the VW bloke on the Autocar site makes this crystal clear. This is more versatile because it’s rear seat can move 15mm and the T-Roc is more about power and status as it’s available with more engines. I’m surprised that’s not obvious to everyone... |
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Post by Tim on Oct 29, 2018 10:04:12 GMT
Now you've mentioned it it is really obvious.
How could we be so stupid?
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Post by michael on Oct 29, 2018 10:30:30 GMT
I thought the same when I read it. Initially I'd foolishly thought this is another version of the same car they make ten times across their brands but when I learn the rear seat moves through the gigantic range of 15mm I knew it was pure versatility.
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Post by bryan on Oct 29, 2018 13:31:57 GMT
I assumed 15mm was a typo?.....150mm may make more sense.
I thought it went like this
Up SUV is the TCross
Polo SUV is the TRoc
Golf SUV is the Tiguan
Passat SUV is the Tiguan XL
Areteon SUV is the Toureg
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Post by Blarno on Oct 29, 2018 13:59:48 GMT
Hang on a second.
Isn't the Arteon the new Passat CC or do they still make the Passat CC?
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Post by michael on Oct 29, 2018 14:09:45 GMT
I think this is Polo sized as is the T-Roc but I'm sure I read that VW don't feel the need to replace the Scirrocco as they've got that. So I assume the T-Roc is more of a coupe version of the T-Cross. I understood the Arteon to have replaced the CC.
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Post by PG on Oct 29, 2018 14:14:30 GMT
No, no, no. The Arteon has absolutely not replaced the Passat CC. It is a totally different and way more upmarket car. Didn't you get the press release on that one?
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Post by Tim on Oct 29, 2018 14:22:42 GMT
Ah, of course, upmarket!
I read that VW are planning to move upmarket starting with the Golf Mk8.
Don't they already have that in a little known brand called Audi?
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Post by michael on Oct 29, 2018 14:26:28 GMT
No, no, no. The Arteon has absolutely not replaced the Passat CC. It is a totally different and way more upmarket car. Didn't you get the press release on that one? Sorry, I need to go on a re-education programme. It seems all VW brands have to move upmarket just as they all have to be sporty. Even the cheaper sporty brand, Seat, now has a sporty offshoot in the form of Cupra. No wonder they're all converging on each other to make the same car over and over again.
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Post by grampa on Oct 31, 2018 13:55:07 GMT
No, no, no. The Arteon has absolutely not replaced the Passat CC. It is a totally different and way more upmarket car. Didn't you get the press release on that one? Sorry, I need to go on a re-education programme. It seems all VW brands have to move upmarket just as they all have to be sporty. Even the cheaper sporty brand, Seat, now has a sporty offshoot in the form of Cupra. No wonder they're all converging on each other to make the same car over and over again.
They might was well do what BMC used to do and just stick different grilles and badges on the same car. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 1, 2018 11:03:38 GMT
New small VW 4x4 which is apparently different to the T-Roc: Coming soon to an Avis desk at your next European destination...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 17:13:08 GMT
The £64,000 question in my mind is why it has been entered on Who Wants to be a Millionaire??
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Post by PG on Nov 17, 2018 23:59:13 GMT
The £64,000 question in my mind is why it has been entered on Who Wants to be a Millionaire??  |
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