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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 25, 2018 9:14:10 GMT
Non breakdown as in it hasn't failed totally. Yet. Soething of a ticking time bomb, though. For the last 3 weeks I've noticed a worsening humming noise that sounds just like a wheel bearing, although steering left and right doesn't change the sound, unlike with a wheel bearing, which would indicate which side it is. I've done some methodical testing to rule out various things and concuded that it had to be between tyre and transmissio transmission. I'd hoped it wasn't the latter but (despite the tyre wear I mentioned in another thread, it isn't the tyres) it turns out it's the rear differential. Quote to supply and fit from my trusted Volvo indy - around £3300! Volvo/Ford/LR only supply them as a complete differential and Haldex unit.
Thankfully I think I can do it with a reconditioned unit (with 12 month warranty) at 450 quid plus labour (5 to 7 hours) plus fluids. Still painful but thankfully not as horrific.
3 and a half grand. Fuck me. I nearly died when I got that quote.
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Post by michael on Oct 25, 2018 9:30:35 GMT
I don't think that generation of Volvo are built to last. My XC70 was just short of 50k and showed disappointing signs of fatigue, generally has a looseness to it that suggested it woudn't be worth owning out of warranty.
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Post by Martin on Oct 25, 2018 9:38:25 GMT
Ouch! It’s good you can get a reconditioned one, but still a big outlay.
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Post by johnc on Oct 25, 2018 9:46:40 GMT
Ouch indeed and the main reason (i.e. big price items) I pay for the extended warranty.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 9:54:55 GMT
Bullet dodged!
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Post by Tim on Oct 25, 2018 10:07:29 GMT
Painful if you didn't have the sense to shop around.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 25, 2018 10:33:59 GMT
Volvo dealers do take the piss (as do others I suppose). My brother's XC90 developed a gearbox fault that he was quoted £1800 to fix by the dealership - a new gearbox, basically. I can't remember now what the exact fix was but an independent sorted it for £200.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 11:10:39 GMT
Peugeot used to royally take the fluid test and fail. a 505 was costing over £500 for a service back in the day. A comedian/comic actor (Musketeer films etc) used to live on my road and was shocked at the cost.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 25, 2018 12:16:55 GMT
Looks like you have made the right decision. What mileage has it done?
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Post by PG on Oct 27, 2018 12:52:02 GMT
I think too many main dealers are now just so used to replacing stuff - warranty, company cars etc - that they never stop to think about protecting their relationship with people who still bother to take their out of warranty car to their premises.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 29, 2018 18:12:40 GMT
Looks like you have made the right decision. What mileage has it done? Just shy of 75k. I've not yet ordered the reconditioned part but will have to asap. The last thing I want is it to fail and take out other parts and/or leave me stranded. I'm likely to sell it in the new year, I think. As Michael has already said, it doesn't have that unshakeable feeling of longevity that older Volvos had. I think the 850 was the last of those, with a steady decline since. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 1, 2018 9:51:46 GMT
I've booked the car in at Freelanderspecialist.com who sell reconditioned units on Ebay, on an exchange basis. However, they also do a one day service where you drop your car in and they remove your diff, rebuild it and refit it the same day. Pricey but not 3300 quid pricey. It's not far from my folks' so I can spend the day there. I'm paying a bit extra to have the Haldex unit serviced as well.
I will, quite probably, look at selling the car soon after. It's not exactly cheap to run and I don't have much confidence in its longevity.
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Post by michael on Nov 1, 2018 10:37:59 GMT
It's shame you feel the need to get rid, it sounds like you've got the same lack of confidence I had - although it seems you actually like your car which wasn't entirely the same for me. What's next?
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Post by Martin on Nov 1, 2018 11:14:21 GMT
That is the most important question.....what is next?
The place you got the V60 from (iirc) had a nice 550i a while back, not sure if it’s still available.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 1, 2018 11:16:41 GMT
Does it need fully replacing or just an oil change?
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 5, 2018 14:17:10 GMT
The bearings are knackered, that's what fails. It will be dismantled and rebuilt with new bearings.
The bloody thing had a misfire all the way to work this morning and felt like it had about half the horses it should have. FFS.
Any replacement isn't likely to have more than 4 cylinders now, unless it is a D5 powered Volvo. A strong possibility might be a diseasel Octavia vRS, which would at least be mappable to c.200bhp.
Not sure yet. The chance of it being stolen/written off/set on fire has an appeal at the moment.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 5, 2018 14:22:51 GMT
Late model Octavia VRSs are 190 bhp anyway. A mate has one with DSG and it's a proper weapon.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 5, 2018 16:45:14 GMT
If I did, I'd save some pennies and go for the previous gen car with the 170PS motor.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 5, 2018 20:08:34 GMT
Am currently running around in mum's V70 D5 auto (163bhp) which she won't drive again. Elder daughter should be down from Nottingham to collect it in the next 2 months.
Bearing in mind that in the past year it's done 300 miles and had major surgery to replace the ring gear, fingers crossed but it seems to be running better than ever. Currently the onboard computer is stating an average somewhat north of 40mpg. Bearing in mind that in the past 14 years I've never managed to coax more than 30mpg out of it, I wonder just what happened to its plumbing when the engine/gearbox got separated.
I've just booked it in for later in the month to have front and rear parking sensors fitted to assist daughter when she takes it on......
Yesterday I filled it with diesel, I reckon that was only the 2nd time this year that it has had fuel added to the tank !
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Post by Boxer6 on Nov 5, 2018 20:35:36 GMT
Late model Octavia VRSs are 190 bhp anyway. A mate has one with DSG and it's a proper weapon. If I did, I'd save some pennies and go for the previous gen car with the 170PS motor. Mine only has the 150bhp oil-burner, but it's probably just as quick to 60 as the Legacy was! The 13-plate vRS with DSG I test drove was lovely, but they wanted a little bit too much for it at the time, plus I wasn't sure about the financing of it then either. Mine is not the quickest thing out there by a long way, but given how I (have to) drive it 90+% of the time, it's perfect for what I need it to do. Something a little sportier may be on the cards next year - but it'll have two wheels if it all works out! |
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Post by Alex on Nov 5, 2018 21:05:33 GMT
If I did, I'd save some pennies and go for the previous gen car with the 170PS motor. My Dad had a hatch version and really liked it. Not sure he’s anywhere near as enamoured with his new Civic. Trouble was he was approaching 100k miles and you do start to see some potential for big bills. Early mk2 VRS diesels sometimes had DPF problems too. He did get between 45 & 50 mpg with mostly short runs around town so it’s reasonably economical for the performance. It’s worth comparing prices against early mk3 2.0TDI’s though as they’re quite similarly priced having not held their value as well as late mk2 VRS. Plus with 150bhp they’re not a long way off in performance, as Ian has alluded to with his. The mk2 Octavia originates from 2004/5 so will feel much older than your V60. |
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Post by bryan on Nov 5, 2018 22:21:04 GMT
The chance of it being stolen/written off/set on fire has an appeal at the moment. You must know all the best areas to park it for that eventually!! |
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Post by Tim on Nov 6, 2018 9:43:11 GMT
Late model Octavia VRSs are 190 bhp anyway. A mate has one with DSG and it's a proper weapon. If I did, I'd save some pennies and go for the previous gen car with the 170PS motor. The 13-plate vRS with DSG I test drove was lovely, but they wanted a little bit too much for it at the time, plus I wasn't sure about the financing of it then either. Mine is not the quickest thing out there by a long way, but given how I (have to) drive it 90+% of the time, it's perfect for what I need it to do. Something a little sportier may be on the cards next year - but it'll have two wheels if it all works out!
I haven't driven one but aren't the DSG oil burners criticised in the press for the take-off from standstill and the general lack of cohesion between the engine and gearbox?
Also you're unlikely to feel much difference between a 150 and 190 BHP turbo diesel. I saw an indicated 120 in my 80BHP Stilo a couple of times and it never felt particularly slow compared with the original 115BHP version I had. In fact it felt faster at normal speeds than our original E46 320d that was packing 150BHP, presumbly due to it being an 8 valve with lower boost compared with the 16v in the BMW.
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Post by Boxer6 on Nov 6, 2018 13:30:59 GMT
The 13-plate vRS with DSG I test drove was lovely, but they wanted a little bit too much for it at the time, plus I wasn't sure about the financing of it then either. Mine is not the quickest thing out there by a long way, but given how I (have to) drive it 90+% of the time, it's perfect for what I need it to do. Something a little sportier may be on the cards next year - but it'll have two wheels if it all works out!
I haven't driven one but aren't the DSG oil burners criticised in the press for the take-off from standstill and the general lack of cohesion between the engine and gearbox?
Also you're unlikely to feel much difference between a 150 and 190 BHP turbo diesel. I saw an indicated 120 in my 80BHP Stilo a couple of times and it never felt particularly slow compared with the original 115BHP version I had. In fact it felt faster at normal speeds than our original E46 320d that was packing 150BHP, presumbly due to it being an 8 valve with lower boost compared with the 16v in the BMW.
I don't know what the criticism might be then; it seemed perfectly acceptable to me on take off, no juddering, shaking or other indications of concern. I can't honestly remember it was perhaps a bit tardy in some way, but one of the salesmen was sitting beside me so I couldn't really have given it the beans anyway! Given the state of the roads in Hillington industrial estate, I was more able to gauge ride than handling too; there are some serious potholes round there!! |
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Post by michael on Nov 6, 2018 19:02:03 GMT
Any replacement isn't likely to have more than 4 cylinders now, unless it is a D5 powered Volvo. This one is still available: |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 6, 2018 19:43:52 GMT
Am currently running around in mum's V70 D5 auto (163bhp) which she won't drive again. Elder daughter should be down from Nottingham to collect it in the next 2 months. Bearing in mind that in the past year it's done 300 miles and had major surgery to replace the ring gear, fingers crossed but it seems to be running better than ever. Currently the onboard computer is stating an average somewhat north of 40mpg. Bearing in mind that in the past 14 years I've never managed to coax more than 30mpg out of it, I wonder just what happened to its plumbing when the engine/gearbox got separated. I've just booked it in for later in the month to have front and rear parking sensors fitted to assist daughter when she takes it on...... Yesterday I filled it with diesel, I reckon that was only the 2nd time this year that it has had fuel added to the tank ! Around town they are not that economical but get them on the open road and motorway and the mpg just gets better and better. My best was a 52.3mpg return trip of around 800 miles to Scotland and back when I had mine. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 6, 2018 19:46:54 GMT
Any replacement isn't likely to have more than 4 cylinders now, unless it is a D5 powered Volvo. This one is still available: Still not sold?! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 6, 2018 19:54:40 GMT
The misfiring didn't show itself on the way home from work yesterday. Nor today. The car had sat unused for 4 days but that really shouldn't be an issue and it's sat for longer yhan that before. I have a friend in the volvotuning group who lives nearby, so I'm off to see him tomorrow as he has the correct VIDA diagnostic stuff. We'll plug it in and see what, if any, codes are stored. When I get time later this week I will pull the spark plugs and have a look.
Next Monday is the diff repair and, if I decide to get winters, I need a new pair. So more expense.
On the one hand I'd hate to get rid because it is silly-quick for a sensible family car but it is an expensive bugger to run and if it is going to start being a complete bastard then it might be time to let it go. I may test the waters on the volvoforums and if there's no interest, wait until the spring.
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Post by michael on Nov 6, 2018 22:03:07 GMT
This one is still available: Still not sold?! You’d only need to see it to know it was worth passing by. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 8, 2018 0:19:02 GMT
Well, the diagnostic read didn't show anything at all to do with a misfire. Odd that nothing was recorded, but it did show a brake pedal sensor fault, so I'm currently pricing up a replacement. Seems to be a straightforward DIY job to fit.
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