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Post by ChrisM on Oct 19, 2018 20:06:31 GMT
Combined discussion for these 2 races as they are a week apart and I'll be away from home so may not be able to post much, if at all
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Post by humphreythepug on Oct 20, 2018 2:20:15 GMT
3 place grid drop for Vettel for not slowing down under a red flag; far, far too many mistakes this year, let's hope his head is back in the game next year!
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Post by Martin on Oct 20, 2018 7:22:38 GMT
3 place grid drop for Vettel for not slowing down under a red flag; far, far too many mistakes this year, let's hope his head is back in the game next year! Yep, another mistake. I saw it last night and was hoping he didn’t get a penalty because I want Hamilton to take the championship in a straight race (USA or Mexico). He does slow down at first, but then accelerates back up to 200kph as he passes the second red flag, so I guess he had to get the penalty but it didn’t look particularly dangerous to me. I know there was too much rain in both practice sessions for it to be truly representative, but it looked like everyone was trying and Hamilton has been in a league of his own. 1.3 seconds ahead of Bottas in P1, 2.0 seconds to Vettel and in P2, 1 seconds ahead of Gasley 5 seconds to Vettel with both Hamilton and Vettel running at the same time on intermediates.
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Post by johnc on Oct 20, 2018 7:37:15 GMT
Hamilton now has that self confidence and belief that will make him faster than anyone else just because he isn't carrying any pressure. Vettel has been broken mentally and needs to re-group and get his act together for next season. I could see Vettel having a bit of a hissy fit moment with someone like Verstappen and ending the race for both of them.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 20, 2018 10:06:13 GMT
Hamilton now has that self confidence and belief that will make him faster than anyone else just because he isn't carrying any pressure. Vettel has been broken mentally and needs to re-group and get his act together for next season. I could see Vettel having a bit of a hissy fit moment with someone like Verstappen and ending the race for both of them. +1, he seems to be in a different league to everyone else at the moment
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Post by humphreythepug on Oct 20, 2018 10:19:44 GMT
Hamilton now has that self confidence and belief that will make him faster than anyone else just because he isn't carrying any pressure. Vettel has been broken mentally and needs to re-group and get his act together for next season. I could see Vettel having a bit of a hissy fit moment with someone like Verstappen and ending the race for both of them. +1, he seems to be in a different league to everyone else at the moment With Le'clerc at Ferrari next year I think Ferrari are now looking beyond Vettel; this year was his best chance and its been blown, with 5 titles in the bag, Hamilton at his best and seemingly making it easy, I think Vettel has blown his chance of ever having a title with Ferrari. If he fails next year and is pushed by Le'clerc, what is there for Vettel, I can't see him being happy with going to a "lesser" team; early retirement?
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Post by johnc on Oct 20, 2018 11:21:56 GMT
Must be nice to have that choice at 30 ish years old!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 12:37:20 GMT
Seb has talent no doubt but far too many signs of a fragile ego leading to unforced errors, let alone errors under pressure on track. It would be something to see Seb leave F1 after next year with Kimi still active at Sauber or wherever.
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Post by Martin on Oct 21, 2018 20:29:32 GMT
Another error by Vettel. Great race, really enjoyed, briloiant drive by Verstappen and delighted to see Kimi win....long overdue.
On to Mexico.
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Post by Eff One on Oct 23, 2018 10:19:26 GMT
I had everything crossed for the last ten laps. It was a great win, beautifully judged both by Kimi himself and (for once) the Ferrari pitwall. Verstappen was mighty; very disappointed for Danny Ric. On a weekend where the Mercs were vulnerable, he should have been on the podium.
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Post by Sav on Oct 23, 2018 23:25:54 GMT
It was a thoroughly entertaining Grand Prix. A lack of dry running in practice meant the teams didn’t have their usual race simulation data to gauge tyre behaviour. It wasn’t clear who was going to win until the closing laps, which was a nice change.
I don’t like the fiddly part of the final sector, but it definitely creates battles when someone goes defensive, they enter at such an acute angle a corner like turn 15, struggle to pick up the gas and that allows the following car to get alongside, as with Verstappen v Hamilton.
The opening lap looked like a BTCC race; contact in the esses with multiple victims, Grosjean punted Leclerc in turn 12. Grosjean’s attempted pass was never going to happen, the entry to turn 12 looks inviting, but it tightens suddenly and unless you’re significantly up the inside, it’s always going to be a lunge – the driver ahead has to turn-in somewhere.
Mercedes were being conservative with Hamilton, taking the advantage of a pitstop under the VSC with a less-costly time delta compared to making a pitstop under green-flag conditions. If they hadn’t of done that, they might have exposed themselves to others pitting under the VSC. The issue is, nobody else copied his move. That meant a lot of cars to pass, and 47 laps to do on a set of Soft compound tyres on a hot day. All those things combined, meant he would have been vulnerable to Bottas and Vettel towards the end. I think Hamilton escaped relatively unscathed, making an additional pitstop with a total loss of twenty seconds but only losing one position.
Vettel’s latest botched overtake was puzzling. He actually managed to overtake Ricciardo on the back straight, but went defensive into the acute turn 12. He overshot the corner, and got a slow exit. That allowed Ricciardo to get alongside into turn 13, and it required Vettel to give Ricciardo a slight shove, job done. I think that would have been acceptable. Almost anywhere in motorsport, the car on the outside of a corner comes off worst in wheel-to-wheel contact – Vettel is rewriting that…
Hamilton might not have made any particularly impressive overtakes in Austin, but his careful approach with Raikkonen and Verstappen kept him on the road and still out-score Vettel. He could have squeezed Verstappen more in turn 17, it was evident that the latter’s tyres were wasted, and couldn’t respond. But, the risk of the Dutchman clattering into the side of Hamilton’s Merc must have been present in his mind, it was better to bail. Contrast that to Vettel on Verstappen in Spoon. Unless you’re fully alongside, or someone lets you through, the overtake isn’t happening – not in an F1 car anyway. Is Verstappen in the mood for waving people through? You got to know who you’re racing.
Interesting situation at Toro Rosso. They genuinely can’t seem to find a suitable driver from their junior stable to put alongside Kyvat. Alexander Albon could be the leading candidate, only after Helmet Marko not being that impressed with Albon a few months ago. I think the lack of Red Bull’s own candidates has prompted a rethink. For me, Albon is nothing that special, he’s a good F2 driver who would just look ordinary in F1. It’s so competitive now, standing out is harder than it’s ever been. But, what saves Albon are the super license rules, a lot of these kids are just too young. Hartley is a great driver; I like his approach, Brendon brilliantly drove the old LMP1 Porsche in WEC. F1 is a cut-throat game, and constantly being out-qualified and out-raced by your teammate isn’t a great basis for being retained, for whatever reason. It reminds me of Vandoorne; both great, technical racing drivers who can contribute so well elsewhere, but F1 is about performing in every single session, from Friday to Sunday. Ordinarily, I would ditch Hartley for the latest hotshot, but just isn’t the right candidate available. The only two young guns available are owned by Merc and McLaren respectively. Albon isn’t that great for me, I don’t think he is Marko’s favourite choice.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 24, 2018 8:24:55 GMT
Think you're a little harsh on Albon he's had some great drives in F2 this year and if Norris is good enough then so is Albon.
Has he not got a drive lined up for DAMS in Formula E?
Where does Albon get his funding? His dads a bit time racer and mums in the clink for fraud is she not. Can't see that as particularly attractive for any future employer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 11:36:52 GMT
Don't know Albon but BH has just not had the rub of the green. IMHO he is at least competitive for the most part.
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Post by Eff One on Oct 25, 2018 14:28:18 GMT
Red Bull are trying to pry Albon out of his FE contract apparently.
Brendon Hartley is a lot better than the results show and deserves another season in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 17:55:14 GMT
I hope he gets at least another season with preferable, a better engine.
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Post by Sav on Oct 26, 2018 23:46:29 GMT
As I said, Hartley might be retained if Helmet Marko ultimately doesn’t think that Albon is worthy of the other Toro Rosso seat. The current super license rules mean that someone like Verstappen can’t come straight from F3 and into F1 anymore. In effect, they need to do a year of F2 or something else to gain enough points to gain a super license. For a while teams like Toro Rosso were having new drivers every few years as Marko ditched drivers who he thought weren’t good enough for Red Bull. I think experience now matters; Hartley has no issues with his super license. They can either stick with him, or pick someone from F2 who has enough points.
Its not that other forms of motorsport are easy, or not cut-throat. However, there is nowhere to hide in F1, every session is scrutinised like no other form of racing. Undoubtedly, Hartley has been consistently slower than Gasly. Like with Vandoorne, it could be argued that with the persistent engine failures, it’s been difficult to ascertain Brendon’s performance. But unless you’re viewed as a potential Red Bull Racing candidate, you’re on borrowed time at Toro Rosso. Albon has been okay, but not outstanding, he was never particularly special in F3 either, relative to the competition. Not sure where Albon gets his funding from, but he is part-Thai, and Red Bull have a Thai investor, it seems to work well for Red Bull as a whole. He signed a contract with Nissan to race in Formula E, because he thought there was no chance to race in F1. Understandably, Alboon wants a shot in F1, as any young racer would want. Mind, getting out of that signed contract might be tricky, especially as the Formula E season starts later this year.
Lando Norris is special. George Russell might take the title, but he is in a far superior team. Carlin, who run Norris are experiencing their first F2 campaign – ART who run Russell have been in GP2 since its inception. Yet despite that, Norris has been a front-runner, winning races. Allegedly, Helmet Marko tried to sign Norris but he declined. Considering how good Red Bull might be with Honda, I wonder if that was a mistake.
Giovinazzi was impressive for Sauber today. As Sauber’s reserve driver, FP1 was his only session of the weekend, and he went twelfth fastest. Considering he had never driven the circuit, and has limited running in the car, his immediate pace was impressive. I’m glad he is driving for Sauber next year. He deserves a shot, after being so good in the junior ranks. We just need to see some of these guys race. If they don’t perform, at least they would have had the chance. I really want 26-car grids, to give more opportunity to youngsters. Looking forward to Russell, Norris and Giovinazzi duke it out in 2019.
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