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Post by michael on Dec 13, 2017 15:14:15 GMT
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Post by Blarno on Dec 13, 2017 21:55:35 GMT
A while back I mentioned I'd not seen a Punto newer than a 15 plate. Then I passed a 67 plate example on Monday. I was genuinely surprised they still make it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 22:59:07 GMT
I think all the development dosh went into the 500 family, they should have pulled the Punto years ago mind, I suppose it is all gravy now the development costs are well gone.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Dec 13, 2017 23:32:50 GMT
A while back I mentioned I'd not seen a Punto newer than a 15 plate. Then I passed a 67 plate example on Monday. I was genuinely surprised they still make it. That was the only one to trundle off the line this year. |
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 13, 2017 23:53:07 GMT
What would an original Mini get? Can you get a negative score?
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Post by michael on Dec 14, 2017 8:28:18 GMT
Is the Cora’s still a Punto underneath?
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Post by humphreythepug on Dec 14, 2017 10:05:35 GMT
Achieved 4 stars in 2000, the test is far more stringent now and it is eseentially the same car now that was tested in 2000, so not really surprising.
I should imagine a 5 star 2005 Clio will now only achieve a similar scoring to the Punto, if tested today.
One though, I didn't realise how old the Punto was.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 12:11:44 GMT
What would an original Mini get? Can you get a negative score? I spotted one recently on the way back for the stupid market, it was in good nick and judging from the looks was one of the later 'original' mini's. My brother had one and spent quite a bit of money on it which made little sense as he drove by ear. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 14, 2017 12:13:50 GMT
12 yrs is a remarkable run for a supermini.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Dec 30, 2017 10:32:35 GMT
Is the Cora’s still a Punto underneath? Yes, I think it is. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 2, 2018 10:31:42 GMT
The sad thing from that article is that I have no idea what a Kia Stonic or a Hyundai Kona are.
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Post by Alex on Jan 2, 2018 19:11:55 GMT
The sad thing from that article is that I have no idea what a Kia Stonic or a Hyundai Kona are. They’re probably too small for a pram so I wouldn’t go troubling yourself to look them up. |
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Post by alf on Jan 5, 2018 9:23:06 GMT
So a Punto got 5 stars when new, will show in any buying guide as such, but tested now would get zero?? I doubt that is something many buyers would realise. I think I'm right in saying the scores are different for different classes of car too - which makes a mockery of the whole thing for me. It should be an absolute score, when you crash the class of your car is not going to matter, whether you survive will do!
I'm in 2 minds about the the 3 star ratings on some cars that were 5 stars until they changed the rules and insisted on certain electronic features - that't not a crash test score.
The Punto test is a very clear reminder to people who drive older cars that they are simply not as safe as a modern one. That would be a concern of mine with the current craze in some car-but circles for driving something like a 205 GTi or Mk2 Golf as a daily driver.
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Post by Ben on Jan 6, 2018 15:23:35 GMT
It should be an absolute score, when you crash the class of your car is not going to matter, whether you survive will do! But accidents are never an absolute. There are so many factors in play that determine how well you end up (if at all), such as speed, angle of impact, what you actually hit etc. Look at the uproar over the American NHTSA front overlap test when it was introduced. I won't take the ratings as a be all and end all when it comes to safety, but rather take a closer look at the actual features in the car and what they actually do. Most modern cars will keep you alive in most accidents, but if a large container truck comes barrelling towards you there really is not much you can do is it? |
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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2018 21:39:51 GMT
The safety rating also takes into account pedestrian safety which if I’m honest is of little genuine interest to me. I read a stat somewhere about Volvos. I think it was about the last XC90 and that in the US nobody had ever died in one. I might have got it wrong but if true that is astonishing.
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Post by humphreythepug on Jan 7, 2018 13:57:14 GMT
The safety rating also takes into account pedestrian safety which if I’m honest is of little genuine interest to me. I read a stat somewhere about Volvos. I think it was about the last XC90 and that in the US nobody had ever died in one. I might have got it wrong but if true that is astonishing. Yep, pedestrian safety is a funny one and also safety assistance; when talking to people about Dacia they are always shocked at the relative low scores 3-4 stars, compared to 5 for all Renault (except Twingo), when you actually show them the scoring, Dacia's perform very similarly to many other cars with a higher number of stars, for occupant safety, they lose out on things such as no seat belt warning chimes and poor pedestrian safety, almost everyone says "I don't really care about pedestrians, I'm more worried about who's in the car and how it performs in a crash". Clio is 5 stars and scores 88% for adult occupancy, 89% for child occupancy, 66% for pedestrian safety and 99% for safety assistance. Sandero is 4 stars; scores 80% for adult occupancy, 79% for child occupancy, 57% for pedestrian safety and 55% for safety assistance. The main difference is, safety assistance; the Sandero doesn't have a speed limiter or rear seatbelt warnings, everything else is actually quite similar. People still think NCAP is all about the strength of the car and how it performs in an accident, it isn't now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 19:22:55 GMT
The safety rating also takes into account pedestrian safety which if I’m honest is of little genuine interest to me. Take care when crossing the road, won't you? |
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 7, 2018 21:24:03 GMT
Pedestrian safety is the reason our MX-5 looks like an off roader. It isn’t something that I bother about to be honest.
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Post by michael on Jan 7, 2018 21:37:33 GMT
My car has that auto braking thing and it annoys the crap out of me. It has slammed on the anchors twice now when I’ve parked nose first in front of a hedge.
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Post by michael on Jan 7, 2018 21:38:51 GMT
Pedestrian safety is the reason our MX-5 looks like an off roader. It isn’t something that I bother about to be honest. It’s the reason most cars have huge front ends, additional weight and generally look crap. |
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 7, 2018 21:42:55 GMT
Pedestrian safety is the reason our MX-5 looks like an off roader. It isn’t something that I bother about to be honest. It’s the reason most cars have huge front ends, additional weight and generally look crap. Yeah. We’ve had the MX-5 since 2009 and I still haven’t got around to installing the correct suspension yet! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 7, 2018 21:48:30 GMT
I still mourn the loss of pop up lights. Bloody pedestrians.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 7, 2018 21:49:28 GMT
Totally agree.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 7, 2018 21:50:51 GMT
Had the '5 since 2009? Any thoughts on replacement or is it still doing ok?
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Post by michael on Jan 7, 2018 21:51:31 GMT
I think they’d still be gone due to weight. The NSX got the ugly stick treatment long before the pedestrian regulations got beefed up.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 7, 2018 21:54:44 GMT
Had the '5 since 2009? Any thoughts on replacement or is it still doing ok? It’s Lindsey's car so totally up to her. It did 500 miles between MOTs last year so I think it’s going to be around a while. Mechanically it’s fine. Subframes are rotting gradually but are relatively easy to replace according to my local MX-5 specialist. Top lads, these. www.akautomotive-mx5.co.ukETA. She has considered either getting rid and having the two unreliable British heaps as out only cars but it really isn’t worth it. She has also considered its replacement and she likes Boxters. I’m quite glad she doesn’t mind keeping the Mazda to be fair! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 7, 2018 22:09:19 GMT
Oh no. Not more chassis rust!
At that level of annual mileage it's not really worth replacing.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 7, 2018 22:22:02 GMT
Agreed. I thought Mazda had sorted rot by the Mk3 but apparently not. Body is fine, as are sills. Headlights need some titivating, but that is it cosmetically.
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