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Post by Tim on Oct 9, 2017 10:14:00 GMT
So, here we are in the midst of the Brexit negotiations and all that appears to be exercising the minds of our governing party is how quickly they can get rid of our Prime Minister/their leader. Obviously they're not going to do it blatantly but are clearly setting chosen tongues wagging to start the ball rolling.
In addition, those among them that wanted Brexit aren't happy that it's not been done already and want us as a country to burn our bridges with Johhny Foreigner, clearly forgetting that NEARLY half the electorate didn't actually want to leave anyway
To be honest I feel rather embarrassed with our politics at the moment.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 9, 2017 10:23:36 GMT
The whole thing is mess. Labour are running around like headless chickens too unable to make their mind up from one minute to the next what they want from Brexit, so to be fair, they are no more credible as a party either.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 9, 2017 10:46:48 GMT
Its panic from the Tories that they're going to get a kicking from the electorate at the next GE due to the amount of momentum built up by the Corbyn train. They probably have a good point that they need to do something to start appealing to the younger generation that someone like Boris will be able to do. If you loose all the youth to the dark side there's a generation of the Conservatives in opposition.
I find a Socialist government far more scary then Brexit
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Post by Tim on Oct 9, 2017 10:50:15 GMT
The whole thing is mess. Labour are running around like headless chickens too unable to make their mind up from one minute to the next what they want from Brexit, so to be fair, they are no more credible as a party either.
I agree but they're not going to be the party in power for another 4 years so they're not relevant at present.
I'm not sure Boris would appeal to the younger generation would he (apart from the Young Conservatives, of course)?
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 9, 2017 10:57:56 GMT
Its panic from the Tories that they're going to get a kicking from the electorate at the next GE due to the amount of momentum built up by the Corbyn train. They probably have a good point that they need to do something to start appealing to the younger generation that someone like Boris will be able to do. If you loose all the youth to the dark side there's a generation of the Conservatives in opposition. I find a Socialist government far more scary then Brexit Agreed. Rees-Mogg was doing alright until he was asked what his personal views on abortion etc. were. Even though he wasn't going to impose them over the party line, he has alienated a load of younger voters. I used to like Boris, but I really can't trust him.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 9, 2017 11:46:28 GMT
To be honest I feel rather embarrassed with our politics at the moment.
I think most of the electorates around the World would agree with that sentiment.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 9, 2017 12:21:37 GMT
Party politics again takes precedence over government. As ever too many in the Tory party are overly concerned about those bastard evil Europeans, coming over here and trying to use grammar with our langwidge [sic] and don't think that the Brexit negotiations should be more than "here's what we're doing, here is the date, see you then." and having heard Lord "Tarzan" Hesaltine this morning there are just as many that feel we should have joined the EU party 20 years ago and all be using the Euro and not having to show our passports. Government is secondary to that, clearly.
Trouble is the kind of individuals that are attracted to a career in politics are the kind of individuals who play out the daily issues and non-issues in this manner. The Americans selected an utterly unsuitable candidate for their President because of the image of career politicians; the Corbyn vs New Labour and the May (who was elected leader as the least factioned candidate!) vs Hard Right is no different intra-party; at a national level we are clearly fucked as none of them are really capable of driving anything when in office as neither have full party support (which is just like Mr Trump's problems, allied to the fact he is certifiable. For that we have Boris.)
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Post by johnc on Oct 9, 2017 14:52:31 GMT
There are only a handful of individuals in UK Politics that I believe want to do the right thing for the country. The vast majority would rather follow some political dogma and blind ideology whilst wearing blinkers to the patently obvious.
Jeremy Corbyn has struck a cord with the young because they have never seen the impact of the socialist policies of the 70's and they want to believe his bright new and fairer fairytale: it gives them hope (just look back at the history of the 20th century to see the number of times that policy came unstuck big time).
I don't want a repeat of Tony Bliar but it needs someone like him who has a bit of presence, is younger and can hold an audience to lead the country. Margaret Thatcher did the same 15 or so years earlier.
The Tories seem completely blind to the fact that their in-fighting and obsession with Brexit is creating a serious disconnect with the electorate and I think they need to get back to basics and good policies to run the country otherwise their days are numbered. What is disturbing is they don't seem to recognise they are doing anything wrong.
Corbyn socialism scares the hell out of me and INHO it would do massive damage to our economy when it sucks the wealth out of the country or forces it to leave these shores. However the current rudderless ship we are on which is sailing around the Brexit rocks with scant regard for the health, wealth and wellbeing of those onboard is equally disturbing.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 9, 2017 17:06:28 GMT
The Tories seem completely blind to the fact that their in-fighting and obsession with Brexit is creating a serious disconnect with the electorate and I think they need to get back to basics and good policies to run the country otherwise their days are numbered. What is disturbing is they don't seem to recognise they are doing anything wrong.
Corbyn socialism scares the hell out of me and INHO it would do massive damage to our economy when it sucks the wealth out of the country or forces it to leave these shores. However the current rudderless ship we are on which is sailing around the Brexit rocks with scant regard for the health, wealth and wellbeing of those onboard is equally disturbing. I agree with all that wholeheartedly.
Brexit followed by Corbyn is the stuff of nightmares. Some analysts have not ruled out a 50% drop in property prices in London if that happened. Now that's clearly extreme but they do say you must plan for the worst.
As such, we are in the process of re-mortgaging and have opted for an interest-only mortgage for once, given it made no odds to the headline rate or other terms. Not to lessen our monthlies, but simply an attempt at future-proofing by diverting our pretty chunky monthly capital repayments into a diversified investment strategy. We simply were not comfortable in having the vast majority of our wealth tied up in a single asset that could be wiped out by ignorant socialists from a prehistoric era.
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Post by johnc on Oct 9, 2017 18:37:26 GMT
Some have already taken to the lifeboats. A Doctor client e-mailed me today and started the e-mail by saying "We left the UK for good on .........." Well, there goes several hundred thousand pounds of training off to benefit another country!
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Post by PG on Oct 9, 2017 20:30:02 GMT
As such, we are in the process of re-mortgaging and have opted for an interest-only mortgage for once, given it made no odds to the headline rate or other terms. Not to lessen our monthlies, but simply an attempt at future-proofing by diverting our pretty chunky monthly capital repayments into a diversified investment strategy. We simply were not comfortable in having the vast majority of our wealth tied up in a single asset that could be wiped out by ignorant socialists from a prehistoric era.
I've only ever had interest only mortgages and have put cash away into investments (and a few ill fated endowments in the good old days) to pay off mortgages. I'd rather have control over the money then dribble a few £ per month off the balance (if that in the early years). .
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Post by johnc on Oct 10, 2017 5:58:14 GMT
I used to have a 50/50 mortgage but switched to full capital and interest about 9 years ago. Only just over 4 years to go now with a rate fixed at 2.09% and 3 endowments which whilst not producing the returns expected will still double the money I have put in when they mature. I have to persuade the wife that the proceeds should be spent on some significant horsepower but no doubt my daughter's University course or her first car and flat will give it a severe kicking!
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Post by Tim on Oct 10, 2017 9:09:07 GMT
In light of the widely expressed uncertainty around our post-Brexit future I don't think the socialists are the only ones who will hammer property values, I think that its going to happen no matter what, with London probably being hit by far the hardest - its prices appear to an outsider to be ridiculously over-inflated anyway.
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