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Post by johnc on Oct 10, 2023 10:15:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 11:42:26 GMT
A handful of peanuts well away from the car would do the same thing. Mixed with some raisins or similar better.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 10, 2023 12:23:11 GMT
Deserves recognition for "Furbinator 3000" if you ask me.
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Post by woofwoof on Oct 12, 2023 11:08:49 GMT
I recently bought and installed a gadget to emit high frequencies to keep cats away.
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Post by PG on Oct 12, 2023 12:37:42 GMT
I heard this on the radio on Tuesday (Jeremy Vine, but I was driving so I seek forgiveness for that....). Really great innovation by the designer.
Of course the usual suspects phoned in and said that it was cruelty to foxes and badgers and he ought to be arrested by the RSPCA etc etc. Idiots. Badgers and foxes are vermin, but with a good PR agency.
One lady called in to say that her daughter who rescues hedgehogs can;t keep them in her garden as the badgers kill them all. Cue shock - "oh goodness does that really happen? Surely the hedgehog just has to roll up into a ball to survive?". To which the lady replied "have you seen the length and strength of badger claws?". Too right, the huge drop in hedgehog populations is as much due to badger population explosion as to farming (which of course gets all the blame).
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 12, 2023 15:11:52 GMT
I recently bought and installed a gadget to emit high frequencies to keep cats away. I had a mate who just used his personality to keep pussy away. |
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 12, 2023 16:01:02 GMT
Too right, the huge drop in hedgehog populations is as much due to badger population explosion as to farming (which of course gets all the blame). Quite. WWF put some ad in Facebook about bird population decline. The number of birds killed per annum in the UK they gave pretty much matched the number estimated to be killed by domestic cats. They didn’t reply to my proposal on a cull. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 16:17:25 GMT
OK.
Badgers and Foxes are not vermin. They have been here as long, or longer than we have.
Given a reasonable range they do nothing to harm us. If you want to call anything vermin look to human beings, where anything that is where we want to be gets exterminated.
After all, we human beings have more rights and more might than anything else so let's cover the planet with crap for the profit of a few people.
Why?
We are supposed to be THE inteligent species of the planet.
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Post by woofwoof on Oct 12, 2023 16:56:36 GMT
I recently bought and installed a gadget to emit high frequencies to keep cats away. I had a mate who just used his personality to keep pussy away. Thankfully my days of needing to attract any attention are over. |
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Post by PG on Oct 12, 2023 18:34:15 GMT
OK. Badgers and Foxes are not vermin. They have been here as long, or longer than we have. Given a reasonable range they do nothing to harm us. If you want to call anything vermin look to human beings, where anything that is where we want to be gets exterminated. After all, we human beings have more rights and more might than anything else so let's cover the planet with crap for the profit of a few people. Why? We are supposed to be THE inteligent species of the planet. Sorry Mike. I didn't mean to offend. To nuance what I meant, they are vermin when uncontrolled. You are quite right that they been here for ages, but if they had natural predators - bears, big cats, wolves, wild dogs - their population would not be so large. And the problems they cause would not be so manifest. The problem is that in removing all the large predators, "mankind" (because I doubt woman kind would have quite destroyed as much as mankind) - has tried to control nature but then backs away from realising that it means they have to control other stuff too if they've removed natural predators. Watch the YouTube video about re-introducing wolves to a national park (I think it was either Yellowstone or Yosemite) in the US to see the effect that removing predators has. |
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 12, 2023 19:01:20 GMT
OK. Badgers and Foxes are not vermin. They have been here as long, or longer than we have. Given a reasonable range they do nothing to harm us. If you want to call anything vermin look to human beings, where anything that is where we want to be gets exterminated. After all, we human beings have more rights and more might than anything else so let's cover the planet with crap for the profit of a few people. Why? We are supposed to be THE inteligent species of the planet. Sorry, but bollocks to that. Badgers destroying farmers livelihoods due to TB because they are protected by do gooders like Packham. Every bit of offense meant if you wish to take it that way. I really can't be arsed being polite any more. I'd happily shoot every one that enters my property. Until you've been there waiting on the vets results you have no idea at all. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 12, 2023 20:13:57 GMT
OK. Badgers and Foxes are not vermin. They have been here as long, or longer than we have. Given a reasonable range they do nothing to harm us. If you want to call anything vermin look to human beings, where anything that is where we want to be gets exterminated. After all, we human beings have more rights and more might than anything else so let's cover the planet with crap for the profit of a few people. Why? We are supposed to be THE inteligent species of the planet. Sorry, but bollocks to that. Badgers destroying farmers livelihoods due to TB because they are protected by do gooders like Packham. Every bit of offense meant if you wish to take it that way. I really can't be arsed being polite any more. I'd happily shoot every one that enters my property. Until you've been there waiting on the vets results you have no idea at all. I'm with Mark on this. The badger population had been allowed to get out of control and they are now causing havoc. |
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Post by woofwoof on Oct 12, 2023 21:23:22 GMT
I've never seen a badger in my life. I'd like to one day, one which isn't a hazard to farmers of course.
When I was a kid me and another lad saw a rodent which was just massive. I'll obviously never know what it was but I've never forgotten it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 21:41:04 GMT
Not taking anything personal, no reason to. Apparently half the tb cases in areas tb is present is in Badgers BUT, only six p[ercent of tb in cattle is causewd by Badger transmission, the rest comes from cattle purchase from other herds and within the herd where tb is present. There is NO rtelationship between tb in cattle and Badger numbers. www.imperial.ac.uk/news/132249/badgers-ultimately-responsible-around-half-tb/I do agree with the management of Badger numers because there are many areas where the habitat has changed and the increase in pop[ulation in some areas cannot support the numbers.I have seen the local population shrink from around twenty adults four years ago in three clans to about five or six, one cub surviced from this year. We had one pair of grey foxes, the last died about a year ago, one pair of red foixes with two cubs, no survivors beyond about six weeks. I get it, we all have different viewpoints but there is room for all of us animals on this planet with a bit of thought. There is a vaccine for bovine tb but it is not used due to concerns that this will affect the price of the herd on the market. Where is the evidence of this? OK, got my answer, soon. www.gov.uk/government/news/field-trials-for-bovine-tb-cattle-vaccine-and-skin-test-move-to-next-phase--2 |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 13, 2023 6:29:08 GMT
It is well proven that TB in badgers is a major cause of TB in cattle. The Imperial College report was widely dismissed as flawed some time ago, like much of their work.
It has been clearly proven that in areas where an effective badgers cull has taken place, TB incidence in cattle and wildlife has fallen significantly.
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Post by bryan on Oct 13, 2023 8:30:54 GMT
It is well proven that TB in badgers is a major cause of TB in cattle. The Imperial College report was widely dismissed as flawed some time ago, like much of their work. It has been clearly proven that in areas where an effective badgers cull has taken place, TB incidence in cattle and wildlife has fallen significantly. Aren't the increase in wild deer also a significant contributing factor as well as badgers? |
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Post by johnc on Oct 13, 2023 11:00:47 GMT
It is well proven that TB in badgers is a major cause of TB in cattle. The Imperial College report was widely dismissed as flawed some time ago, like much of their work. It has been clearly proven that in areas where an effective badgers cull has taken place, TB incidence in cattle and wildlife has fallen significantly. Aren't the increase in wild deer also a significant contributing factor as well as badgers? The number of deer about really is getting out of control. I know 3 people locally who have hit (or been hit) by deer over the past 2 months in their cars. They also wander about our estate eating anything that takes their fancy. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 13, 2023 11:02:37 GMT
You think that’s bad? Backworth Golf Course near here had wallabies grazing across it. They had to get the Wallaby Wrangler in.
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Post by Tim on Oct 13, 2023 11:54:58 GMT
We have deer in the garden regularly although never see them because they only come at night.
The bastards chew on trees we've put in, quite often they've bitten the top off something we know they don't like only to leave it beside the tree.
The hill up to us on the main road is a favourite place to spot them in the fields and there's quite often a couple of carcasses at the side of the road.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 13, 2023 18:51:03 GMT
Deer need proper husbandry but like most things the hand wringers cry louder than they should. W2.1’s father was the forest manager in his designated area for about 40 years. Every year he’d make sure the animals were safe, fed, vermin controlled ( and yes - like renowned animal lover Beatrix Potter his view of foxes is that they carry the most diseases and should be shot on sight, along with wild boar) and then that numbers were contained. Each season he’d give the hunters the markings of the deer that were to be killed and if they hadn’t by the last week he’d be in the hide all night every night and shoot them himself. We eat a lot of deer meat (“venison” has no equivalent Slovak word) and wild boar. Each other forest manager did the same for their bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 22:02:10 GMT
I have zero issues managing wildlife, in part to ensure the health of the animals concerned, it is a negative to blame all ills on wildlife and yes, some populations have been seen to grow a bit in some areas while reducing in others.
I do eat meat, mny father was a butcher so I know this does not grow on stupormarket shelves and takes a significant investment from the farming community for us to be able to buy/consume. I would like to see more organised support for the farming community.
I mentioned to the old neighbour I am going to try to source some Venison for Christmas so she has something to look forwards to, I would LIKE to see a balance and a proper systyem of management rather than off on culls carried out by knackered people with not very nice results for the animals.
Treat Badgers for TB? Reduce fertilioty in Badgers? Cheaper and longer term than culls perhaps, I know the government paper suggested culls achieve no dioscernable change in TB numbers so changed their advice to innoculating Badgers and cattle.
There is room for change imho.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 30, 2023 17:39:37 GMT
You think that’s bad? Backworth Golf Course near here had wallabies grazing across it. They had to get the Wallaby Wrangler in. Is that what you are calling yourself these days!?! |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 30, 2023 17:40:14 GMT
I still have fox issues. And am ALREADY on cover No.2 for the Macan...
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