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Post by Eff One on Nov 23, 2022 19:54:43 GMT
For something interesting. Her pre-requisite is that it must be reliable and able to comfortably carry all three of us and a holiday's worth of gear (not unreasonable) which means that the GT86 is out, sadly. And of course it must be quick and involving, easy to live with, have a manual gearbox and work on the motorway as well as a B road. And it needs to be a bit special. The list - for me at least - is surprisingly short. There are some boxes to tick and details to iron out, but the most likely candidate is one of these - possibly even this one. I'll be going to look at it as soon as time permits: www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211151697760?atmobcid=soc3(awaiting chorus of derision) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 20:14:21 GMT
Bad link?
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Post by Martin on Nov 23, 2022 20:17:32 GMT
Its supposed to be pretty special to drive and ticks all your boxes, so if you can live with the looks, then get one bought while you still have permission!
It won’t do the motorway / holiday miles as well as a number of other hot hatches, but I don’t think you do a lot of that, so won’t be an issue.
Are you going to look for one with the toned down styling, or go full on ASBO?!
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Post by Stuntman on Nov 23, 2022 21:01:36 GMT
Excellent idea, get it bought!
There's a metallic grey one near me and it looks great (if Marmite). If you like it, and the family likes it...
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Post by Eff One on Nov 23, 2022 21:04:08 GMT
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Post by Eff One on Nov 23, 2022 21:14:47 GMT
Its supposed to be pretty special to drive and ticks all your boxes, so if you can live with the looks, then get one bought while you still have permission! It won’t do the motorway / holiday miles as well as a number of other hot hatches, but I don’t think you do a lot of that, so won’t be an issue. Are you going to look for one with the toned down styling, or go full on ASBO?! Word is that they're a lot better on long trips than you might think but it's something to tick off on the test drive. The Sport Line (toned down version) is probably still a bit too expensive so it'll have to be the full Asbo. Ideally in grey, which tones it down a bit. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 23, 2022 21:38:41 GMT
Alternatives
M2 - probably what I’d go for given the budget
Focus RS
Megane 300
I30N (fastback for more space)
The civic is supposed to be a great steer however so if you can live with the looks, get it bought. The infotainment is apparently the only let down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 22:01:47 GMT
Not workijng for me, could be the connection at my end. What is it?
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Post by Andy C on Nov 23, 2022 22:02:17 GMT
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Post by Martin on Nov 23, 2022 22:11:21 GMT
The i30N is definitely worth a test drive. We both really enjoyed driving it, it was a clear second ahead of the M140i, but we felt the Golf was a better all rounder. Which is has proven to be the case and is why we have kept it almost 18 months longer than expected and are in no rush to change it. Lindsay loves it so much I’m starting to think about running 3 cars.
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Post by Andy C on Nov 23, 2022 22:14:49 GMT
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Post by Andy C on Nov 23, 2022 22:16:20 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 23, 2022 22:26:58 GMT
Have you thought about a Fiesta?
(Just thought I’d get in first)
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Post by Eff One on Nov 23, 2022 22:29:15 GMT
Not workijng for me, could be the connection at my end. What is it? Civic Type R. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 22:34:44 GMT
That would account for the liking it factor ^. They certainly seem to be popular out there in the wilds.
I have no data on reliability apart from being Honda and reputed to be good to great, either way whatever you go for I hope it works out well.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 23, 2022 22:35:58 GMT
For something interesting. Her pre-requisite is that it must be reliable and able to comfortably carry all three of us and a holiday's worth of gear (not unreasonable) which means that the GT86 is out, sadly. And of course it must be quick and involving, easy to live with, have a manual gearbox and work on the motorway as well as a B road. And it needs to be a bit special. The list - for me at least - is surprisingly short. There are some boxes to tick and details to iron out, but the most likely candidate is one of these - possibly even this one. I'll be going to look at it as soon as time permits: www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211151697760?atmobcid=soc3(awaiting chorus of derision) Just down the road from me, let us know when you're going and I'll see if I can join you ! Can't go wrong with a Honda, if they still made/sold what I would like, I'd be down the dealers in a flash (if I had the money....) |
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Post by Eff One on Nov 23, 2022 22:44:52 GMT
No idea why but I can't get excited about BMWs. In any case the budget would only stretch to the earliest, leggiest examples and over 90% are autos. I really want a manual while I can still get one.
We're not having another Ford. Our MK3 Focus has let us down badly (suspected warped head or cracked block) and there are too many reports of Focus RS's suffering the same fate. The Fiesta isn't quite big enough in any case.
The i30N is worth a look. The Fastback would seem to tick most of the boxes and prices are a little lower than the Type R. There's a dealer across the road from work, I'll have a look.
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Post by Tim on Nov 24, 2022 8:51:53 GMT
Get aa black one and then you can drive around saying 'I'm Batman' to yourself......
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 24, 2022 10:51:22 GMT
Having read up on that i30N and looked at it in comparison to the Honda the Hyundai would be a no-brainer choice for me, in hatch form.
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Post by johnc on Nov 24, 2022 12:04:48 GMT
A guy I used to race with has that version of the Type R and every car he has ever had has been a drivers car. He's had it at least a couple of years now so it can't be bad.
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Post by PG on Nov 24, 2022 14:01:13 GMT
I recognise that the Type R is a great drive according to every report I've ever read, but I just can't get past the ASBO looks. Which means that the i30 would be the one.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 24, 2022 14:22:32 GMT
The civic is certainly more interesting then the i30 and would probably be my choice. The interior before the facelift was a little too boring for a hot hatch but dynamically its supposed to be right up there.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 24, 2022 14:50:21 GMT
Everything mentioned on here sounds like a good choice. Best to have a look around and see what you prefer in the metal.
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Post by Alex on Nov 24, 2022 22:29:49 GMT
I can see the appeal of the Type R but for holidays with the family there may be some compromises that are too much such as the harsh ride and frankly shit infotainment (my Dad had one of those Civics and it really is as bad as it's reported to be). For a weekend B Road fun car that's not an issue but for longer journeys and family duties it could well be.
The i30N fastback is a great alternative and is also known for its good ride and handling plus you won't have any issues with infotainment, I can attest to the Hyundai/Kia system being very good.
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Post by Eff One on Nov 25, 2022 11:30:43 GMT
I'll find out soon enough, but my understanding is that it's the i30N that has the uncompromising ride, while the Civic, with its adaptive damping, is something of a Jekyll and Hyde Car.
Never had a car with infotainment so have nothing to compare it to, but it would hardly be used. I use Google for navigation and never listen to music in the car.
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Post by alf on Nov 25, 2022 11:36:45 GMT
I like the Civic Type R - and if you get one I want a passenger ride please if I'm still in Winchester then please  It sounds incredible to drive from the reviews, it does look ASBO however. When the ex Mrs ALF had the first offical UK model of CTR new around 20 years ago (god that makes me feel old) I have never driven a car before or since that had such a negative reaction from other drivers. One time when she was driving someone undertook her on the motorway and heavily brake tested her for no reason, then was hilariously instantly pulled over by a marked police car that had been 100m behind. It could be miserable at times and I hopped into the Passat V6 I had at the time and drove it like I stole it and never had any reaction at all. Bear this in mind as being brake tested and so on with a child in the car is no fun. That said, we liked that car a lot and it held value really well. If it was me, I would struggle to see past the old model 135 or 140i, or the 235i/240i. Also the merc A35 possibly. Mainly because ze germans are just so refined on the longer trips - quiet, comfortable, refined, great stereo (if its the upgrade one), etc And they can handle the B road fun bit as well (which many bigger cars can to be fair - XE V6S would be worth a look if it came in a manual). But like with the Alfa GTA's we both enjoyed, a lot of it is just what you want, if you like it and want it, you'll enjoy it... |
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Post by Tim on Nov 25, 2022 12:03:00 GMT
Do the 1 and 2 series still require aftermarket suspension to overcome the rear end hop?
I'm sure the Civic gets fantastic reviews for its ride/handling and has been declared superior to pretty much all competitors for their compromise.
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Post by Martin on Nov 25, 2022 12:35:30 GMT
I'll find out soon enough, but my understanding is that it's the i30N that has the uncompromising ride, while the Civic, with its adaptive damping, is something of a Jekyll and Hyde Car. Never had a car with infotainment so have nothing to compare it to, but it would hardly be used. I use Google for navigation and never listen to music in the car. Exactly, you will. I tried a very early i30N back in early 2018 and didn't have an issue with the ride at all, even in the firmer settings (it has adaptive dampers as standard). Reading the Evo review I've linked below, the ride is better in the later cars anyway. I wonder if the praise the Civic gets for the ride is due to it running on 20" wheels, as the expectation would be it's awful, but you'll find that out on a test drive. I drove the I30N/Golf R/M140i on the same roads on consecutive days. The i30N was more eager/fun on a B road with easily the best steering of the 3, the M140i was by far the worst as it felt unsettled all the time and I kept having to back off. The Golf flowed really well but couldn't quite match the i30N for fun. On the motorway, the M140i was much better and has a lovely engine, but it wasn't any more comfortable or refined than the Golf. Probably not much use as my requirements / priorities are different to yours and I didn't even go and look at the Civic, but the i30N is worth a proper test drive. www.evo.co.uk/hyundai/i30/n/ride-and-handling |
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 25, 2022 13:35:43 GMT
Probably not much use as my requirements / priorities are different to yours and I didn't even go and look at the Civic…….. I’ve read that as “I was looking for a car I could stand to be parked outside my house.” which was the main rationale for us not buying an X5 45e. |
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Post by Eff One on Nov 25, 2022 18:23:53 GMT
I've grown to sort of love the Type R's looks. Clearly there's something wrong with me.
Anyway, back to back test drives are booked for next week - Civic and i30N.
I should probably try a Golf GTI as well.
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