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Post by Tim on Oct 20, 2022 12:43:28 GMT
Whatever happens now how the hell are the Tories going to survive this?
It appears that they have at least 2 very disparate groups - oddly generally split along pro/anti European sentiment and I fear we're in for a few hours/days/weeks of them pulling themselves apart.
Hopefully whoever ends up in charge rejects loons like Rees-Mogg though (amusingly I've seen him referred to as 'The Haunted Pencil'. I like that almost as much as 'Minister for the 18th Century')
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 12:56:25 GMT
Keir Starmer as PM?
Crazier than a box of frogs.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 20, 2022 14:29:25 GMT
Alarmingly the Times is suggesting Johnson believes he should stand “in the national interest”, and if his name went out to the members, we seriously risking having that utter cnut back again.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 20, 2022 16:59:24 GMT
But who with any sense is going to throw there hat into the ring. Are we not going to end up with another waste of space.
Mordaunt if we're lucky
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 20, 2022 18:38:56 GMT
I’m tempted by a Mordaunt/Hunt combo.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 20, 2022 19:24:28 GMT
I’m tempted by a Mordaunt/Hunt combo. I think Morduant-Short sounds better (  ) and they could probably do a better job of running the country that the showers we have had over the past decade |
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Post by Alex on Oct 20, 2022 20:08:09 GMT
Boris is front runner. The party knows he's the only one with any hope of reining in Labour come the next General Election. They'll probably still lose it but he might, just might, be able to pull off some sort of damage limitation. I dont see any other candidate having any credibility (not that I think Boris has much but at least he can now say that it could be worse)
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 20, 2022 21:31:45 GMT
If Johnson comes back, we surrender all credibility as a nation. And that’s really not a matter of mere opinion.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 20, 2022 21:34:19 GMT
How can Boris get 100 votes to stand? There’s not enough credible MPs that like him enough to form a cabinet. People forget it’s not leadership by individual; it’s a cabinet and a majority number of MPs.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 20, 2022 21:55:01 GMT
Guido Fawkes has him down with 48 backers so far, ahead of Wishy and HMS Mordaunt.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 21, 2022 6:28:22 GMT
If Johnson comes back, we surrender all credibility as a nation. And that’s really not a matter of mere opinion. Our office Tory Party member pointed out he has the credibility of delivering and 80 odd seat majority at the last election and is the only candidate who can take the fight to Labour and win. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 21, 2022 7:51:47 GMT
Except he has a load of baggage and disciplinary action hanging over him.
We'd possibly become even more of a joke if he gets back into power.
The Tories need to remember that their popularity has been on the slide all year, not just since Truss/Kwarteng fucked things up.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 21, 2022 21:24:30 GMT
If Johnson comes back, we surrender all credibility as a nation. And that’s really not a matter of mere opinion. Our office Tory Party member pointed out he has the credibility of delivering and 80 odd seat majority at the last election and is the only candidate who can take the fight to Labour and win. I think that’s an argument well past any sell-by date it might once have possessed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 11:07:20 GMT
Boris has a lot of 'want' from quite a lot of those I know here. He would at the very least be more likely to keep them in the driving seat. Even on the beeb news, interviewed MOTP have declared they want him back.
Logical? No but when has that been a driver?
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 22, 2022 13:11:29 GMT
Boris is front runner. The party knows he's the only one with any hope of reining in Labour come the next General Election. They'll probably still lose it but he might, just might, be able to pull off some sort of damage limitation. I dont see any other candidate having any credibility (not that I think Boris has much but at least he can now say that it could be worse) We’ve seriously lost the plot if this is anyway serious. The party kicked him out only a few months ago. Boris has been found wanting in nearly all areas. Fair play to him over Ukraine but that ain’t no way near enough to get the big job. |
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Post by Alex on Oct 22, 2022 13:23:38 GMT
Boris is front runner. The party knows he's the only one with any hope of reining in Labour come the next General Election. They'll probably still lose it but he might, just might, be able to pull off some sort of damage limitation. I dont see any other candidate having any credibility (not that I think Boris has much but at least he can now say that it could be worse) We’ve seriously lost the plot if this is anyway serious. The party kicked him out only a few months ago. Boris has been found wanting in nearly all areas. Fair play to him over Ukraine but that ain’t no way near enough to get the big job. Agree but can you honestly name a better candidate who would also be willing to take on the job? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 14:11:01 GMT
Sunak for top job, Hunt as chancellor.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 23, 2022 10:11:10 GMT
What Conservative party members and MPs are looking for is someone that will keep the party in power, the former because they fear anything different (the definition of conservatism) and the latter simply to retain their seats and salaries.
In the case of the first: there is a fear that a Labour government will hike taxes and pay it all to layabouts, cripples and foreigners (I’m using their thinking and language).
For the second there are a lot of marginal seat MPs that could not survive financially in a world where they can’t charge a salary to their spouse as Secretary, claim a second residence on expenses and never have to pay for a holiday after tax. The opposition parties’ MPs clamour for the same.
The past year has really shown that in its current state we don’t need government but we do need fiscal policy. All the other idealism can fuck off.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 23, 2022 20:39:57 GMT
Now that Johnson is out I expect Sunak will be crowned tomorrow.
My own MP, Nadhim Zahawi, has made himself look an even bigger prat than normal today.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 23, 2022 20:55:05 GMT
Thank f*ck for that.
It was a retreat worthy of Trump - “I could’ve won if I wanted to”.
Such a child.
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Post by Alex on Oct 24, 2022 12:00:43 GMT
Now that Johnson is out I expect Sunak will be crowned tomorrow. My own MP, Nadhim Zahawi, has made himself look an even bigger prat than normal today. On recent form that's quite some achievement! |
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Post by Stuntman on Oct 24, 2022 13:30:45 GMT
A triumph of collective pragmatism over personal ambition. Probably the best outcome for the country at the moment.
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Post by PG on Oct 24, 2022 14:09:23 GMT
Well at least we have a PM again. According to the polls, if Conservative members were asked to vote again Sunak v Truss, they would not choose Sunak this time. So he probably can claim some sort of mandate amongst the members from that.
Let's hope they hold it all together long enough to actually make Starmer do some real work and explain what he would do rather than being given endless open goals by the Conservatives.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 14:32:18 GMT
^ Agreed. I doubt he will be 100% off the bat but will come to walk all over the opposition after a little acclimatisation. What is the betting Laboured have their own lotto when that happens?
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 24, 2022 18:44:01 GMT
Many of the Asian economies survived the "credit crunch" crisis better than the UK. Let's hope.........
And thank goodness Boris didn't stand. The man who deceived the country (if not blatantly lied to us), took away our freedom whilst he and his mates carried on partying whilst we were not allowed to see our own elderly parents, kids and grand-kids, hadn't really seemed to have a clue what to do for a lot of the time...... We'd have been an even bigger laughing stock of a nation that we must already be, in the eyes of many others. It would have been an absolute insult to most of us if he'd got back into Number 10
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Post by Alex on Oct 25, 2022 11:15:56 GMT
I thought Rishi's speech was a good one had it been made a few months or even a year earlier and he's made bold promises to see us into the future. With just two years until the next General Election I think he'll struggle to fulfill those promises but he's the sort of sensible Tory leader that their traditional electorate in all those safe seats they hold will like and so he does stand a good chance of being reelected or at least not seeing Labour win by a landslide.
As much as I hate to say it though, there will be a lot of constituents in the Tory heartlands who won't like seeing an Indian in charge so he's going to have to convince some of them. For a lot of others thoigh he has a lot of credit in the bank still for the furlough scheme and with those who enjoyed eating out to help out which should see him be a formidable opponent for Starmer to face.
I do think that with all the recent political turmoil we do now just need to let him settle down and try to do something. Stability is needed right now and as much as Labour continue to shrill from the sidelines for a GE to be called immediately, their pleas seem ever more desperate and a sign that they know it ain't going to happen nor that there's much public appetite for one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 11:39:08 GMT
Failing to get traction with the tories such a state as they have been in, cause for a laboured leadership change possibly.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 25, 2022 12:17:39 GMT
....... as much as Labour continue to shrill from the sidelines for a GE to be called immediately, their pleas seem ever more desperate and a sign that they know it ain't going to happen nor that there's much public appetite for one. I enjoyed reminding UK Labour's Twitter account that in Callaghan they had a PM for three years that had been made PM after the retirement of Wilson and that Labour didn't even have a Parliamentary majority when he came to post. He avoided a GE and alliances with the Liberals. Of course 1976-1979 was a resounding success both politically, economically and societally..... Oh, hang on. I don't particularly want the current shower in place but the rules are the rules as Brexiteers of all political sides keep reminding us. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 25, 2022 12:55:17 GMT
Jacob Rees Mogg has resigned from the cabinet before being pushed - so glad to see him and some of his influence removed. Maybe we can now talk to the EU about a sensible trade deal.
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Post by Alex on Oct 25, 2022 13:06:13 GMT
Jacob Rees Mogg has resigned from the cabinet before being pushed - so glad to see him and some of his influence removed. Maybe we can now talk to the EU about a sensible trade deal. His departure will be a great loss to the nations satirists. |
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