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Post by Big Blue on Jul 5, 2022 9:19:02 GMT
Balanced party posts today.
So, the current Labour leader sees no reason to re-join the EU despite being a staunch remainer to the extent he attended rallies to that effect. I guess party officials took him to one side and pointed out Tory gains in Labour constituencies based around the leave vote so it seems, as ever, party gains overstep personal conviction. This means there will come a point where the divisions regarding Europe cause the same ructions in the Labour Party as they did for the Conservatives which is how we got to being the country that has more restrictions on exports to the EU than imports from the EU because the side that couldn’t live without the other …… was the UK.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 5, 2022 10:18:58 GMT
To be fair, I don't think Starmer could do much else, he was never going to be elected on a re-join the EU ticket.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 5, 2022 10:24:18 GMT
Well even as a staunch reminer myself I'm not sure I want to re-visit that clusterf**K. Having to go cap in hand back to the EU, I doubt they'd let us back in without our future leader going around and kissing arse to every member state.
As for Starmer, if the Parties views don't reflect your own then quit.
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Post by johnc on Jul 5, 2022 10:38:04 GMT
The Labour party, just like the Tories, is a massively divided party. You still have the Corbynites who want to take us back to the 1970's with massive unrest, strikes, pay rises followed by redundancy, high inflation and general gloom and you also have those who favour more of a Blair affair.
Our Politics are pretty broken, controlled by some of the poorest MPs this country has ever seen, stoked by social media propaganda and sensationalism which just fractures the population into many groups with narrow demands but no empathy or sympathy for the views of others.
We need a strong new face to come to the surface who can start to pull the country together again.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 5, 2022 11:32:28 GMT
The Labour party, just like the Tories, is a massively divided party. You still have the Corbynites who want to take us back to the 1970's with massive unrest, strikes, pay rises followed by redundancy, high inflation and general gloom and you also have those who favour more of a Blair affair. Given our current position how much worse do we think Corbyn would have done then the this current lot? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 11:47:34 GMT
So much worse and in so many ways.
The fact that laboured have so many corbyn supporting voices STILL yapping away, proves to me how unfit they are to run a tuck shop. Let alone anything else.
In all honesty, I cannot see a fit candidate anywhere to replace Boris and that is bloody sad and in indictment on the state of politics in this country.
Tin hat time or will I be safe just ducking?
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Post by Tim on Jul 5, 2022 11:58:31 GMT
I agree it's not a good luck for Starmer to have changed his position so radically. However it's possible that one of these has happened: a) he's taken the pragmatic view that the last thing the country needs is another divisive referendum on the subject so is putting aside his personal views for the good of the country. b) maybe he's actually changed his viewpoint, as others have done, to accept that Brexit has happened and could turn out not to be the clusterfuck that many predicted it would be. We won't know the answer to that for a long time given the other things have fucked up the global economy - Covid, Ukraine - not to mention the likelihood that if there are advantages to be had from Brexit the current Government are not likely to be competent to take them! c) he's a mercenary tosser who will say anything to have a chance of getting into power - like a groomed version of BoJo (I was going to say well groomed but any type of grooming would be an advance  . It's possibly a little of all 3. |
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 5, 2022 16:20:02 GMT
In all honesty, I cannot see a fit candidate anywhere to replace Boris and that is bloody sad and in indictment on the state of politics in this country. Tin hat time or will I be safe just ducking? No need for a tin hat. That just about sums up the current Westminster position, no doubt exacerbated by the “team” put together by Johnson as a way to ensure he remains [sic] where he is. That he shares a surname with my mother is a constant source of anguish. |
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Post by PG on Jul 6, 2022 18:52:40 GMT
There is such a dearth of talent across all parties that it beggars belief. This of course leads to the debate about paying more to get better people. But the trouble is that to achieve that you first have to pay the hopeless lot we currently have more, which is hardly likely to make them all leave. And as a comment in the paper so wonderfully put it yesterday :-
“Pay peanuts get monkeys - The fault in this argument of course is that we are not arguing for new monkeys, it’s simply the same monkeys arguing for more peanuts,”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 22:46:18 GMT
I was meaning in the general. There are some hear who could be heard screaming at the telly and calling reporters all kinds of cuntz at full volume. While I accompanied the old lady upstairs on a constitutional. It really was unpleasant, new tennants who seem fair enough but this thing is throwing logic into the pan.
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Post by Grampa on Jul 7, 2022 12:56:49 GMT
I'm not sure the EU would welcome us back with open arms now even if the county decided that's what it wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 14:45:04 GMT
I doubt they would pass up the chance to put a finger up to leave voters and saying 'we told you so'. I would still vote leave now.
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