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Post by racingteatray on Mar 3, 2021 18:20:00 GMT
Leaving the EU matters as the remain/no campaign played heavily on the idea that Scotland wouldn't gain access to the EU and that there might need to be a border. In leaving the EU the residents of Scotland have lost access to the benefits of being in the EU which they overwhelmingly voted to retain. I agree with Michael here. I read the second sentence as reflecting the fact that Scotland voted to remain in the EU in 2016, rather than referencing the earlier Independence vote. I don't favour Scottish independence - I think it Quixotic for many purely logical and objective reasons, including many that overlap with various logical and objective reasons I think counted against Brexit. To the end, if the SNP eats itself, then so much the better.
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Post by PG on Mar 3, 2021 19:44:24 GMT
As far as I'm aware, the Scottish government white paper before the 2014 referendum referenced "once in a generation", there was no mention of a change in circumstances negating that. It is the SNP that has decided that Brexit negates the once in a generation reality. I agree that since Ruth Davidson left the scene, the Unionist cause has been really badly represented. That needs to be changed. Scotlands's trade with the rest of the UK dwarfs that with the EU. That point needs ramming home.
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Post by johnc on Mar 4, 2021 9:18:44 GMT
The small city of Faslane might take a bit more effort to move. After the last independence referendum they built loads more accommodation inside the base. I did wonder if Westminster intended to declare Faslane as Sovereign territory. It’s pretty impossible to recreate Faslane, and more importantly Coulport, anywhere else in the British Isles. It’s also difficult to explain the amount of construction that went into that place during the 80s and 90s, at the time it was second only to the Channel Tunnel in size, scope and cost. I was brought up and lived for many years within vaporisation distance of the base and lived through all the construction work and the massive number of civilian workers who filled every B&B or clogged up every road for years and years. The pubs and carryouts did great business back then.
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Post by Tim on Mar 4, 2021 9:20:06 GMT
As far as I'm aware, the Scottish government white paper before the 2014 referendum referenced "once in a generation", there was no mention of a change in circumstances negating that. It is the SNP that has decided that Brexit negates the once in a generation reality. Let's not be naive here, election promises are there to be broken, by all parties. I really don't want another referendum though, with a year of discussing the implications of it among friends and family, I think there are definitely more important priorities for attention. Now, I see there's a report that says domestic wood burning - for trendy fires and stoves - is responsible for 38% of the most harmful airborne particulates. That's apparently 3 times as many as emitted by all road vehicles. So is some party going to offer up a ban on wood burning at home and reverse the ban on ICE engines in cars? They'll get my vote
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2021 9:23:28 GMT
As far as I'm aware, the Scottish government white paper before the 2014 referendum referenced "once in a generation", there was no mention of a change in circumstances negating that. It is the SNP that has decided that Brexit negates the once in a generation reality. Let's not be naive here, election promises are there to be broken, by all parties. I really don't want another referendum though, with a year of discussing the implications of it among friends and family, I think there are definitely more important priorities for attention. Now, I see there's a report that says domestic wood burning - for trendy fires and stoves - is responsible for 38% of the most harmful airborne particulates. That's apparently 3 times as many as emitted by all road vehicles. So is some party going to offer up a ban on wood burning at home and reverse the ban on ICE engines in cars? They'll get my vote Apparently one wood burning stove in a street is the equivalent to a diesel engined truck driving up and down that street continuously. If we don't get a grip on this fad we're in danger of our cities returning to the smoggy 1950s before The Clean Air Act.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2021 9:29:11 GMT
It’s pretty impossible to recreate Faslane, and more importantly Coulport, anywhere else in the British Isles. It’s also difficult to explain the amount of construction that went into that place during the 80s and 90s, at the time it was second only to the Channel Tunnel in size, scope and cost. I was brought up and lived for many years within vaporisation distance of the base and lived through all the construction work and the massive number of civilian workers who filled every B&B or clogged up every road for years and years. The pubs and carryouts did great business back then. When I worked in Glasgow at that time our concrete formwork salesmen were earning £50k with commission from all the stuff on hire at Faslane and Coulport - when their "fairly decent" salary was £12k a year basic. You'll always get the odd Scot saying that the base is too near Glasgow and it was put there because Westminster cares less for Scottish lives that English ones, forgetting that the atomic warheads are manufactured at Aldermaston, which is closer to London that Glasgow is to Faslane.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 4, 2021 9:38:24 GMT
We aren't allowed woodburners in London so far as I'm aware. Our 1980s house, having been built to what was then considered an avantgarde design, doesn't even have a fire-place of any sort whatsoever, and it would be difficult to install one since the house also doesn't have a chimney.
My mother has one in Suffolk, but very rarely uses it as her house is modern and well-insulated.
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Post by Tim on Mar 4, 2021 9:46:38 GMT
Now, I see there's a report that says domestic wood burning - for trendy fires and stoves - is responsible for 38% of the most harmful airborne particulates. That's apparently 3 times as many as emitted by all road vehicles. So is some party going to offer up a ban on wood burning at home and reverse the ban on ICE engines in cars? They'll get my vote Apparently one wood burning stove in a street is the equivalent to a diesel engined truck driving up and down that street continuously. If we don't get a grip on this fad we're in danger of our cities returning to the smoggy 1950s before The Clean Air Act. I heard the same last year from some boffin on Radio 4. Jonny, I think that might be recent legislation as the article I heard referenced the quantity of them that had been installed for fashion reasons (I can only assume) in London, something over a million I believe. It's very easy to install them in a modern house, a neighbour of ours at the last house got one 18 months ago, installed into a mid-90s build. Buy the wood burner, get a hole knocked in an outside wall about 5 feet off the ground for the chimney and route it through there and up a long pipe that should stick up about 3 feet higher than your roof. You can choose to have the chimney in ultra shiney metal if you want. The neighbours got a proper fireplace constructed around the burner but many houses have it free standing. We have a wood burner installed in an old fireplace in the dining room and an open fire in the living room (which is a 2010 extension). Neither gets used very often.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2021 9:58:09 GMT
Our house is a 2001 build and has chimney with an open flame gas fire combo installed. Once I found out that 80% of the heat from these goes up said chimney I started issuing Mrs Sacamano with 5 permits per year to use it. First cold snap of winter and she's wanting to put it on and I remind her not to use all her credits up too soon. Just to show I'm not heartless I give her a freebie on Xmas Eve.
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Post by Martin on Mar 4, 2021 10:04:03 GMT
Our house is a 2001 build and has chimney with an open flame gas fire combo installed. Once I found out that 80% of the heat from these goes up said chimney I started issuing Mrs Sacamano with 5 permits per year to use it. First cold snap of winter and she's wanting to put it on and I remind her not to use all her credits up too soon. Just to show I'm not heartless I give her a freebie on Xmas Eve. We've got the same in our Living Room (2008 build) and we used it on Christmas Eve, but that's the only time it's been on this winter. It looks nice when it's on, but isn't needed to heat the room.
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Post by Tim on Mar 4, 2021 10:09:05 GMT
We used the open fire in the living room for the first time in December. It's a big fireplace, looks quite impressive but it turns out the chimney is normal sized so if you get the basket that the logs sit in too far forward you get a smoke filled living room Cue windows and vents being opened and all the heat generated by the fire being offset by the icy blast coming in.
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Post by johnc on Mar 4, 2021 10:15:51 GMT
I have a friend who runs a business supplying and fitting log burners. He has never been so busy. You have to ask why the Govt is so slow to stop log burners but so keen to kill off the ICE. Is it just that it is much more visible to demonise cars and that the green lobby despise cars. The greens are probably the very people who go home and light up their wood burners!
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 4, 2021 10:45:04 GMT
My mother has two open fireplaces and two separate chimney stacks. Her entire town in France has a large number of open fireplaces as central heating is not seen as a requirement due to the short cold period of the year. On top of that many of the potteries burn wood such that in the morning a pleasant fog of pottery smoke lies across The Valley.
No one there seems to die under 80 and those octogenarians are still all sitting around the market square sipping pastis and coffee and then driving home in their ICE cars. When a spouse dies and the other moves closer or into a city to be near their children they’re dead in a short time.
I think urbanisation is the problem. Or maybe Paris really is that shite.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 4, 2021 11:30:51 GMT
I'm surprised that nobody has developed some sort of heat exchanger to recover the heat from open fires that usually disappears up the chimneys. This has been a known issue from the time of wigwams or before.....
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 4, 2021 11:31:22 GMT
My mother has two open fireplaces and two separate chimney stacks. Her entire town in France has a large number of open fireplaces as central heating is not seen as a requirement due to the short cold period of the year. On top of that many of the potteries burn wood such that in the morning a pleasant fog of pottery smoke lies across The Valley. No one there seems to die under 80 and those octogenarians are still all sitting around the market square sipping pastis and coffee and then driving home in their ICE cars. When a spouse dies and the other moves closer or into a city to be near their children they’re dead in a short time. I think urbanisation is the problem. Or maybe Paris really is that shite. Absolutely this. Where many are crowded in together the sum of their emissions from daily existence, however modest on an individual basis, is bound to create a localised problem. Burning wood in a rural fireplace, using a bit of that old ash tree which blew down last year, is not going to create a problem for anyone.
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Post by PG on Mar 4, 2021 11:43:05 GMT
I think urbanisation is the problem. Or maybe Paris really is that shite. +1 on both counts. Urbanisation is the problem and once you get away from the smart bits, Paris is pretty shyte. Like most cities. Woodburners need to burn properly dried, seasoned wood in a decently designed wood burner at a high enough temperature, with a decent draw on the chimney. If you burn wet wood in a badly installed stove, yes there are problems. You can buy some woodburners that are certified for use in clean air zones. www.clearviewstoves.com/clearview-smoke-control . I suspect some / a lot of city installs are of a fashion stove that might look nice but may well not meet the clean air requirements. And be burning rubbish fuel. We use our woodburner in the living room nearly every evening throughout the winter. If we don't we can almost hear the oil tank going down and still be cold.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2021 11:59:36 GMT
I'm surprised that nobody has developed some sort of heat exchanger to recover the heat from open fires that usually disappears up the chimneys. This has been a known issue from the time of wigwams or before..... That have. They are called back boilers (basically a water-filled heat exchanger)and my grandparents had one in the 60s and 70s. It provided hot water and central heating to their terrace. I think it was called a Baxi Bermuda.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 4, 2021 12:45:53 GMT
One chimney at mother’s has grilled outlets on the upper floor so the heat can warm that room (not the smoke, obviously).
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2021 13:02:31 GMT
The only thing about chimneys is that they need cleaning and it's become increasingly difficult to force a small child up there to do the job. There seems to be a lack of work ethic in the youngsters these days.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 4, 2021 14:21:44 GMT
Apparently one wood burning stove in a street is the equivalent to a diesel engined truck driving up and down that street continuously. If we don't get a grip on this fad we're in danger of our cities returning to the smoggy 1950s before The Clean Air Act. I heard the same last year from some boffin on Radio 4. Jonny, I think that might be recent legislation as the article I heard referenced the quantity of them that had been installed for fashion reasons (I can only assume) in London, something over a million I believe. It's very easy to install them in a modern house, a neighbour of ours at the last house got one 18 months ago, installed into a mid-90s build. Buy the wood burner, get a hole knocked in an outside wall about 5 feet off the ground for the chimney and route it through there and up a long pipe that should stick up about 3 feet higher than your roof. You can choose to have the chimney in ultra shiney metal if you want. The neighbours got a proper fireplace constructed around the burner but many houses have it free standing. We have a wood burner installed in an old fireplace in the dining room and an open fire in the living room (which is a 2010 extension). Neither gets used very often. I was pretty sure that there was a long-standing ban on burning wood or coal in London dating back to the aftermath of the peasoupers in the 50s.
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Post by michael on Mar 4, 2021 14:26:34 GMT
Must depend on the geography. When the in-laws lived in Mottingham they had a wood burner fitted.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 4, 2021 14:29:14 GMT
One chimney at mother’s has grilled outlets on the upper floor so the heat can warm that room (not the smoke, obviously). Is that a novelty? My grandparents' house had three of those very tall Tudor-style chimney stacks, one at either end of what was a long thin house and one in the middle. Each chimney served two fireplaces - downstairs in the drawing room, sitting room and dining room respectively and then one in each of the relevant bedrooms directly above those rooms. The upper fireplaces were not used as such but did have black wrought iron vent systems that did exactly as you describe and didn't look in any way a recent addition.
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Post by LandieMark on Mar 4, 2021 14:41:38 GMT
We have a 30Kw multifuel stove in the living room. It is on 24/7 from about November to end of March and then in the evenings when cold.
It heats all the radiators and hot water and is supplemented by oil. I couldn't live without it.
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Post by Boxer6 on Mar 4, 2021 15:37:07 GMT
I'm surprised that nobody has developed some sort of heat exchanger to recover the heat from open fires that usually disappears up the chimneys. This has been a known issue from the time of wigwams or before..... That have. They are called back boilers (basically a water-filled heat exchanger)and my grandparents had one in the 60s and 70s. It provided hot water and central heating to their terrace. I think it was called a Baxi Bermuda. We had that in our 1964-built Wimpey bungalow, right up until my dad swapped it for oil-fired CH in the early '70's. Just after the '73 oil crisis IIRc, but is was when we had the 3-day week, rolling brown-outs and all that good stuff!
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 4, 2021 17:15:01 GMT
One chimney at mother’s has grilled outlets on the upper floor so the heat can warm that room (not the smoke, obviously). Is that a novelty? My grandparents' house had three of those very tall Tudor-style chimney stacks, one at either end of what was a long thin house and one in the middle. Each chimney served two fireplaces - downstairs in the drawing room, sitting room and dining room respectively and then one in each of the relevant bedrooms directly above those rooms. The upper fireplaces were not used as such but did have black wrought iron vent systems that did exactly as you describe and didn't look in any way a recent addition. Probably not a novelty but these are not in a fireplace: more built into the wall. It does seem an obvious thing but none of the houses I’ve lived in have had it and they’ve all had fireplaces.
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Post by Tim on Mar 4, 2021 17:24:52 GMT
The stately home I worked at a few years ago had vents in the main entrance hall that were connected to the fireplace there. It was still fucking cold though!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2021 19:55:30 GMT
The stately home I worked at a few years ago had vents in the main entrance hall that were connected to the fireplace there. It was still fucking cold though! I’ve seen Monarch of the Glen, you just need more tweed.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 4, 2021 20:12:26 GMT
Chuck another servant on the fire.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 4, 2021 21:24:42 GMT
The only thing about chimneys is that they need cleaning and it's become increasingly difficult to force a small child up there to do the job. There seems to be a lack of work ethic in the youngsters these days. I thought that they now trained small dogs to go up and down chimneys to clean them... dressed in an appropriate rough-finished coat
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Post by Tim on Mar 5, 2021 8:47:34 GMT
The stately home I worked at a few years ago had vents in the main entrance hall that were connected to the fireplace there. It was still fucking cold though! I’ve seen Monarch of the Glen, you just need more tweed. Ha! Nobody that worked there, including the owner, was seen wearing tweed. I can't speak for the American tourists though, whenever I heard that accent in the distance I made sure the door to my part of the building was locked.
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