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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 28, 2020 17:55:05 GMT
A page of adverts from the November 1937 edition of the VSCC Bulletin 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 18:39:25 GMT
Where would you get the money from, though? Can't take back some of our newfangled plasticated notes, can ya?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 19:22:36 GMT
I am sure the application of a bit of gold would be acceptable.
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Post by michael on Apr 28, 2020 21:39:17 GMT
I am sure the application of a bit of gold would be acceptable. Depends if £100 worth of gold now is the same as £100 gold then - it could be even more expensive that way. If you’ve got the time machine I’d hop about a bit until you’ve got sufficient racing results of the day and place a few bets - it just steal the car. |
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 28, 2020 23:03:16 GMT
I'd go back and get a 300SL Gullwing. They were never completely cheap but...
I have a friend whose grandfather had a Gullwing, along with apparently also a Bugatti Royale, back when neither was outrageously valuable. He obviously regrets that gramps kept neither. His father does still have a simply gorgeous Iso Grifo though. And I had a senior colleague at my previous firm whose father had once had a Gullwing in the 1970s - I discovered this when wandering around the Goodwood Revival with him one year when we happened across a gorgeous Gullwing in the carpark, causing him to reminisce.
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Post by johnc on Apr 29, 2020 7:52:20 GMT
I'd wait for a large Euromillions and go forward a week, get the numbers and come back to buy my ticket. After that you can pretty much buy anything you want.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 29, 2020 10:00:59 GMT
I'd go back and get a 300SL Gullwing. They were never completely cheap but... I have a friend whose grandfather had a Gullwing, along with apparently also a Bugatti Royale, back when neither was outrageously valuable. He obviously regrets that gramps kept neither. His father does still have a simply gorgeous Iso Grifo though. And I had a senior colleague at my previous firm whose father had once had a Gullwing in the 1970s - I discovered this when wandering around the Goodwood Revival with him one year when we happened across a gorgeous Gullwing in the carpark, causing him to reminisce. Was there a time when a Bugatti Royale was never a kings ransom? Oddly you never hear much about them now in terms of value, its all 250 GTO and Mclaren F1s now. Of course you don't have to go back too far for a bargain, my Dad paid 30k for his 2.7 RS from Sytners in Nottingham in the mid 90's. |
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 29, 2020 10:12:45 GMT
Mmm. And I have a client who picked up a DB6 some years ago (but not all that many) for about £50k needing work. Chatting to him at a drinks event about 3yrs ago when prices were at their peak, he reckons it owed him £90k all-in and commented that Nicholas Mee, who look after it for him, had recently enquired about whether he was interested in selling as they reckoned they could get £400k for it (at the time).
Lucky so-and-so.
You need a bit of luck - another friend has a gorgeous E-Type in the best spec (dark blue Series 1.5 4.2 roadster) that he picked up about 6 years ago from a family friend for something like £55k. Now it wasn't mint and he's had to spend a fair amount on remedial work, but he tells me it's still worth comfortably more than he has shelled out in total.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 29, 2020 10:32:40 GMT
Got to be honest, DB4/5/6, I never understand the prices, especially when compared to an e-type which to my eyes looks so much nicer (in the right spec, like of course) and drive so much better. The Aston just seems like a bus in comparison.
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Post by Tim on Apr 29, 2020 10:40:28 GMT
Aston probably made less than 5,000 DB4, 5 & 6s and they were always seen as an expensive product whereas there were possibly 70-80,000 E-Types and it was seen as being made down to a price.
I think that has stuck.
It's exactly the same as now when Ford undoubtedly sell fewer Focii than Merc do A Class' and I could imagine that the Mercs are no better than the equivalent Focus but which one is more expensive new and used?
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 29, 2020 10:50:49 GMT
Aston probably made less than 5,000 DB4, 5 & 6s and they were always seen as an expensive product whereas there were possibly 70-80,000 E-Types and it was seen as being made down to a price. I think that has stuck. It's exactly the same as now when Ford undoubtedly sell fewer Focii than Merc do A Class' and I could imagine that the Mercs are no better than the equivalent Focus but which one is more expensive new and used? Of course your right given the numbers and I guess compared to the Italian competition, the 275 GTB, they are still somewhat of a bargain. It just surprises me there are that many ex forces folk with a liking for club blazers and panama hats (as that always seems to be the clientele) with 500 bags of sand burning a hole in their pockets to buy all these DB's |
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Post by PG on Apr 29, 2020 11:29:33 GMT
I'd wait for a large Euromillions and go forward a week, get the numbers and come back to buy my ticket. After that you can pretty much buy anything you want. But surely that does not work either? As when you go back in time to buy the car you want, you'll not have yet won the lottery. So won't have any money. So you're still left with the issue of transporting back enough readily tradable and valuable stuff. Time travel eh? If it was that simple we'd all be at it. |
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Post by michael on Apr 29, 2020 11:31:54 GMT
I'd have thought DeLoreans would be worth more than they are.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 29, 2020 11:45:25 GMT
I'd have thought DeLoreans would be worth more than they are. But do they not fall into the category of, if it was crap when it was new, its still crap and therefore not worth much. I mean the Aston you can play Sean Connery as James Bond, a Delorean your Michael J Fox as Marty Mcfly. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 29, 2020 11:48:59 GMT
I'd have thought DeLoreans would be worth more than they are. But do they not fall into the category of, if it was crap when it was new, its still crap and therefore not worth much. I mean the Aston you can play Sean Connery as James Bond, a Delorean your Michael J Fox as Marty Mcfly. I thought it was a time machine joke..... |
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Post by michael on Apr 29, 2020 12:08:57 GMT
But do they not fall into the category of, if it was crap when it was new, its still crap and therefore not worth much. I mean the Aston you can play Sean Connery as James Bond, a Delorean your Michael J Fox as Marty Mcfly. I thought it was a time machine joke..... It was. |
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Post by johnc on Apr 29, 2020 12:09:41 GMT
I'd wait for a large Euromillions and go forward a week, get the numbers and come back to buy my ticket. After that you can pretty much buy anything you want. But surely that does not work either? As when you go back in time to buy the car you want, you'll not have yet won the lottery. So won't have any money. So you're still left with the issue of transporting back enough readily tradable and valuable stuff. Time travel eh? If it was that simple we'd all be at it. If I had won £140m on the Euromillions I would just buy it today and forget the complication of getting myself back to 1937. |
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Post by Tim on Apr 29, 2020 12:37:57 GMT
Aston probably made less than 5,000 DB4, 5 & 6s and they were always seen as an expensive product whereas there were possibly 70-80,000 E-Types and it was seen as being made down to a price. I think that has stuck. It's exactly the same as now when Ford undoubtedly sell fewer Focii than Merc do A Class' and I could imagine that the Mercs are no better than the equivalent Focus but which one is more expensive new and used? Of course your right given the numbers and I guess compared to the Italian competition, the 275 GTB, they are still somewhat of a bargain. It just surprises me there are that many ex forces folk with a liking for club blazers and panama hats (as that always seems to be the clientele) with 500 bags of sand burning a hole in their pockets to buy all these DB's We have a client who has a 4, 5 or 6 and as far as I know he take sit out and polishes it then puts it back in the garage. He has owned it for a long time though. It will still be comfortably outperforming his pension though and I think this is the driver for a lot of the people springing the big wads of cash, they think as long as the car market doesn't take a dive its a more secure investment than stocks and shares. |
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 29, 2020 12:55:18 GMT
Aston probably made less than 5,000 DB4, 5 & 6s and they were always seen as an expensive product whereas there were possibly 70-80,000 E-Types and it was seen as being made down to a price. I think that has stuck. It's exactly the same as now when Ford undoubtedly sell fewer Focii than Merc do A Class' and I could imagine that the Mercs are no better than the equivalent Focus but which one is more expensive new and used? Of course your right given the numbers and I guess compared to the Italian competition, the 275 GTB, they are still somewhat of a bargain. It just surprises me there are that many ex forces folk with a liking for club blazers and panama hats (as that always seems to be the clientele) with 500 bags of sand burning a hole in their pockets to buy all these DB's My father (ex forces but never knowingly seen in a club blazer or panama) always fancied a 1980s-era V8 Vantage until he drove an immaculate late X-Pack one belonging to a friend and was thoroughly disappointed. Came back saying that he now understood why they were often described as "fast lorries". Said it had a ridiculously he-man gearbox and was just generally an unnecessarily brutish thing to drive. |
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 29, 2020 14:50:47 GMT
When I grew up a chap in the avenue that led to the park had a DB6 in a large garage (nice house; nice road). I always remember dismissing it as it was a 6 not a 5. It was probably worth flumpence back then (late '70s).
I know a few DB4 and 5 owners at the club. One advised me that the AMOC is a horrible club as the longer term members are those who, like my erstwhile neighbour, had an old DB lying around that was suddenly worth six and seven figures if done up so they could borrow the money against it to do it up whereas if you bought one of those they'd sold when done up you were some kid of nouveau-riche pariah. As he pointed out they were only in the position they were in car-wise because of chaps like him that cam along and handed over loads of cash as opposed to scrimping over five years to do one up piecemeal with some help and some broken fingernails.
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 29, 2020 14:56:55 GMT
My father (ex forces but never knowingly seen in a club blazer or panama) always fancied a 1980s-era V8 Vantage until he drove an immaculate late X-Pack one belonging to a friend and was thoroughly disappointed. Came back saying that he now understood why they were often described as "fast lorries". Said it had a ridiculously he-man gearbox and was just generally an unnecessarily brutish thing to drive. Never meet your heroes and all that..... I recall (and probably still have in the loft in a box that was moved from my dad's loft) a copy of C&S that did a DB4 v 5 v 6 road test, mid '80s I think. The 4 was the prettiest but hardest to live with. The 5 was the the one to have by association (Bond, and all that) The 6 was the best by virtue of the fact that after a long run it left one requiring a mere brief shower as opposed to a full wind down in a long bath that the others would necessitate. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 29, 2020 15:34:04 GMT
My father (ex forces but never knowingly seen in a club blazer or panama) always fancied a 1980s-era V8 Vantage until he drove an immaculate late X-Pack one belonging to a friend and was thoroughly disappointed. Came back saying that he now understood why they were often described as "fast lorries". Said it had a ridiculously he-man gearbox and was just generally an unnecessarily brutish thing to drive. Never meet your heroes and all that..... I recall (and probably still have in the loft in a box that was moved from my dad's loft) a copy of C&S that did a DB4 v 5 v 6 road test, mid '80s I think. The 4 was the prettiest but hardest to live with. The 5 was the the one to have by association (Bond, and all that) The 6 was the best by virtue of the fact that after a long run it left one requiring a mere brief shower as opposed to a full wind down in a long bath that the others would necessitate. I remember that edition and might still have it somewhere. |
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 29, 2020 15:51:39 GMT
When I grew up a chap in the avenue that led to the park had a DB6 in a large garage (nice house; nice road). I always remember dismissing it as it was a 6 not a 5. It was probably worth flumpence back then (late '70s). The previous owner of our house (in fact the only previous owner of our house - he bought it newly built in 1984) used to have a DB5 and kept it in what was then the integral garage and is now our kitchen. In fact this house has basically only ever belonged to petrolheads. Lovely chap in his early sixties at a guess - a photographer by trade who seemed to have born to wealthy parents. He and his wife lived in Asia and were selling the house to fund a retirement property in Provence. He was at home when we were doing viewings, and I couldn't help noticing the piles of classic car magazines on the coffee table and a splendid 1:12 scale model of a vintage Alfa 2300 Monza on the sideboard, so I commented to him that we clearly had a shared love of classic cars and asked whether he had originally bought the house because it had an integral garage (rare in this part of London). He confirmed that this was indeed so because at the time he'd had an old Aston that needed safe storage...on prodding, this turned out to have been a DB5. I asked what happened to it and he replied " Oh I eventually sold it and got a Dino instead - I'd always wanted one of those". We got on famously. He told me he had learnt to drive in his father's then-new straight-six DBS. Apparently after he'd turned 17, his father had rocked up one day at Bedales where he was a pupil and just told him to get in and start learning. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 29, 2020 16:24:11 GMT
When I grew up a chap in the avenue that led to the park had a DB6 in a large garage (nice house; nice road). I always remember dismissing it as it was a 6 not a 5. It was probably worth flumpence back then (late '70s). The previous owner of our house (in fact the only previous owner of our house - he bought it newly built in 1984) used to have a DB5 and kept it in what was then the integral garage and is now our kitchen. In fact this house has basically only ever belonged to petrolheads. Lovely chap in his early sixties at a guess - a photographer by trade who seemed to have born to wealthy parents. He and his wife lived in Asia and were selling the house to fund a retirement property in Provence. He was at home when we were doing viewings, and I couldn't help noticing the piles of classic car magazines on the coffee table and a splendid 1:12 scale model of a vintage Alfa 2300 Monza on the sideboard, so I commented to him that we clearly had a shared love of classic cars and asked whether he had originally bought the house because it had an integral garage (rare in this part of London). He confirmed that this was indeed so because at the time he'd had an old Aston that needed safe storage...on prodding, this turned out to have been a DB5. I asked what happened to it and he replied " Oh I eventually sold it and got a Dino instead - I'd always wanted one of those". We got on famously. He told me he had learnt to drive in his father's then-new straight-six DBS. Apparently after he'd turned 17, his father had rocked up one day at Bedales where he was a pupil and just told him to get in and start learning. He obviously knew about the foxes! That's a good story. |
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