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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 3, 2018 11:38:26 GMT
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Post by Martin on Aug 3, 2018 11:55:36 GMT
Just seen that, has now been confirmed apparently.
A slightly strange decision but he’s been saying for a while that he needs to feel valued and his team mates big salary jump this year didn’t please him, so I assume they’ve paid him well.
Be interesting to see how Renault continues to develop and if Honda can get it right.
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Post by Tim on Aug 3, 2018 12:13:32 GMT
Looks like a move for certainty - Honda engines still not fantastic - plus I'm guessing they weren't offering him as big a salary as Mad Max so he won't be feeling the love?
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 3, 2018 12:14:47 GMT
I guess if there's no Ferrari seat, probably blocked by Vettel, no Merc seat then Renaults the best place to go given red Bulls switch to Honda.
Sainz back in at Red Bull I assume which ain't a bad replacement.
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Post by Martin on Aug 3, 2018 13:20:15 GMT
I’d put Gasley into th Red Bull, would be an interesting line up.
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Post by johnc on Aug 3, 2018 14:28:36 GMT
I think that's quite a loss for Red Bull. Ricciardo is a real racer and a better rounded driver than Mad Max (who will get there).
Renault had better step up a bit though because he won't have a chance of a win as it stands and from listening to his interviews he wants to be in a championship winning car. |
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 14:48:21 GMT
Agreed: silly of Red Bull to let go a driver like Ricciardo. I assume Ferrari are either going with boy-wonder Le Clerc or holding on to the merchandise machine from Finland.
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Post by Alex on Aug 3, 2018 17:51:35 GMT
I guess if there's no Ferrari seat, probably blocked by Vettel, no Merc seat then Renaults the best place to go given red Bulls switch to Honda. Sainz back in at Red Bull I assume which ain't a bad replacement. Rumour has it that Ferrari were indeed interested but Seb shot down the idea, presumably worried that Ricciardo might be faster than him in the same car. If he’s getting a big pay increase out of the deal it does make sense given that there’s no guarantee the Honda powered Red Bull of 2019 will be any more powerful or reliable than this years Renault powered car. Renault have history of eventually finding a way to win championships in F1 so his chances of winning a constructors title are still there regardless of how unlikely it looks right now. |
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 22:01:32 GMT
The Seb - Kimi partnership is ideal. Kimi already is a Ferrari world champion and gets on well with Seb. Rumour in Italy is Kimi until 2020.
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 3, 2018 22:47:09 GMT
I think Red Bull made it clear that Max is The Favoured One, and I'm sure that played a large part in Dan's decision making process
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 10:48:34 GMT
It has been pretty obvious that Max is the prodigal son for some time, just as Seb was in his time there. Multi-21 for example.
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Post by Sav on Aug 5, 2018 22:41:49 GMT
Red Bull are putting a lot of faith in Verstappen, because they evidently didn’t do enough to keep Ricciardo’s interest. I think Ricciardo knew which side his bread was buttered at Red Bull, mostly by the incident in Baku. Verstappen did his usual European chopping and blocking, and no driver could have avoided contact in that situation with the sudden downforce loss. Verstappen is an exceptional racer, but his raw qualifying speed is still a bit uncertain. Is he ready to be the number one driver, and could he deliver a championship in a fight like Vettel and Hamilton are experiencing?
Ricciardo knows that Renault are still rebuilding their team, and they show no signs in slowing that growth. They left Formula E to free up additional money for the F1 budget, they keep poaching key personnel and now they have signed their first top-flight driver who doesn’t belong to someone else. Renault still have time to improve their power unit until 2020, and can commit resources well before 2021 for the revised engine. With Honda, who knows what their plans are? It’s taken Honda until 2018 to produce engines which are slightly less embarrassing, will they just get left behind for 2021 again? And would Red Bull again fume with their engine supplier and look elsewhere?
Ricciardo must have looked at this. When Red Bull won their championships, the engine differences were relatively negligible. It wasn’t possible to spend significantly more to achieve a better performance. That is no longer the case, and since 2014 being a full works team has undoubtedly been the way to go. I doubt that Renault will be interested in supplying Red Bull again. Effectively, you’ve now got Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault supplying themselves, or supplying teams that they think can’t win. With engine development now freed up and 2021 fast approaching, being in a works team is an imminently a sensible idea.
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Post by humphreythepug on Aug 6, 2018 8:24:03 GMT
Renault have the budget, experience and expertise to make it work and they are in it to win, I think its a good move by Ricciardo, he's nothing to lose as he'd have no chance playing second fiddle to Verstappen; being the golden child and we've seen how RB operate.
I believe it's a 2 year deal and guess which 2 seats are potentially up in 2 years, if Renault doesn't work out.
I'd read that since both the Ferarri and Mercedes doors were closed on Ricciardo, RB were offering him significantly less than what Verstappen had re-signed for, I'd also read that Ricciardo had completely blind sided RB; terms had been verbally agreed for re-signing, a video had already been shot for their Web page and official announcement, then he just dropped it in that he had signed for Renault.
I think it's brilliant and I hope it works for him.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 6, 2018 9:43:50 GMT
Silly Boy if that's the case. I wouldn't want to burn my bridges with Red Bull given they've been the hand that's fed him all these years.
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Post by Tim on Aug 6, 2018 9:52:35 GMT
It sounds more as if they've burned their bridges with him first.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 6, 2018 10:05:00 GMT
My point is there are plenty of decent drivers on the grid but only a few teams with a chance of winning. I was kind of hoping Honda come good next year as seeing Vestappen and Ricciardo battle it out would have been a destruction derby.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 11:12:45 GMT
My point is there are plenty of decent drivers on the grid but only a few teams with a chance of winning. I was kind of hoping Honda come good next year as seeing Vestappen and Ricciardo battle it out would have been a destruction derby. I think the reduction in offer to Daniel may well have been a move to head off that destruction derby. There was a discussion recently about Sainz moving to RB next years as Renault were "Doing something else" which I did not compute as I should have. Missed it completely but Ricciardo moving makes perfect sense. Despite his obvious talent at the wheel Max comes across as a spoilt child when it comes to making legal moves. He does things he would not accept from others while crying about perfectly legal moves others use to defend a position. If he does grow up he will be a great asset for a team, if he grows up. |
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Post by johnc on Aug 6, 2018 12:22:55 GMT
If I were Ricciardo and was being offered less than the guy I was beating, I think I would feel it was time for a move too.
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Post by Martin on Aug 20, 2018 20:43:41 GMT
Pleased to see Gasly get the promotion, be interesting to see who gets the Torro Rosso drive.
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