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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 5, 2018 23:14:59 GMT
<<<< His uncle Stevie, who lives close to his home in Orpington, said: “We’re in mourning here. We don’t want to talk about what’s been said about Henry. We’ve already had the Old Bill round here. We’re not commenting on anything.”
His cousin, who was not identified, told the BBC she was angry Mr Osborn-Brooks had been bailed. "I don't know what happened in that home. But all I do know is that my cousin is dead today," she said.
"The Henry I know, he was such a loving person, and it's probably something which just went wrong but he shouldn't have died out of it." >>>> Nothing more needs to be said really, does it? He was clearly just out having a bit of fun when he found himself with a screwdriver in a pensioner's house. Could happen to anyone really...... Jeremy Kyle fodder, that's for certain.
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Post by LandieMark on Apr 6, 2018 7:34:13 GMT
<<<< His uncle Stevie, who lives close to his home in Orpington, said: “We’re in mourning here. We don’t want to talk about what’s been said about Henry. We’ve already had the Old Bill round here. We’re not commenting on anything.”
His cousin, who was not identified, told the BBC she was angry Mr Osborn-Brooks had been bailed. "I don't know what happened in that home. But all I do know is that my cousin is dead today," she said.
"The Henry I know, he was such a loving person, and it's probably something which just went wrong but he shouldn't have died out of it." >>>> Nothing more needs to be said really, does it? He was clearly just out having a bit of fun when he found himself with a screwdriver in a pensioner's house. Could happen to anyone really...... He comes from a large extended family who make a living preying on pensioners. Maybe we need a Castle Law like Texas? Just read that. The whole family are scumbags by the sounds of it.
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Post by Tim on Apr 6, 2018 8:05:49 GMT
....And by discussing it we're just giving these arseholes even more of an audience/platform to air their 'sorrows'.
The whole thing about the arrest is that it was undoubtedly done at the scene where, not knowing those involved, the police found a dead, from stab wounds, bloke. Initial reaction must be murder. The realisation it was a burglary would only come slightly later, it won't matter if the pensioner explained the circumstances plod would only have his word for it.
If it had been a murder and they'd reacted as some of us would have preferred, from the comments in this thread, then there would now be outrage that a murdered hadn't instantly been banged up.
The police really can't win in these situations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 16:16:53 GMT
They can win, by investigating fully and if the findings allow, exonerate the bloke. If anyone should find themselves in a home other than their ow, without an invitation, the screwdriver should be found sticking out of their head. Good and deep. One case of a scrote that stole a vehicle led to the owner dead and the scrote put away. The mother was arguing that the other guy should have just given her son the car. Their's is a class of people who are disadvantaged but going around stealing from other people in much the same situation, is not the answer. Make prison work, make the prisoners work, hard. Teach them something about self respect and work. Maybe, nah, never happen.
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Post by PG on Apr 6, 2018 19:12:10 GMT
Latest news - Detective Chief Inspector Simon Harding, of the Metropolitan Police’s Homicide and Major Crime Command, said: "This is a tragic case for all of those involved. As expected with any incident where someone has lost their life, my officers carried out a thorough investigation into the circumstances of the death.
“We have approached the CPS for early investigative advice, as required under the guidance. We have received and considered that advice, and, at present - on the evidence available - we will not seek a charging decision. Therefore, no further action will be taken against the man.
Looks like sanity will prevail. Although I notice he didn't say no action would be taken, he said "at present - on the evidence available - we will not seek a charging decision."
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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 7, 2018 8:54:41 GMT
Sounds like an investigation done properly and effectively. Job done. I do fear for the burglary victim's safety now, though. I can well imagine the dead man's family wanting some kind of retribution and, after all this, the burglary victim has had a deeply traumatic experience.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 7, 2018 8:56:51 GMT
I think it effectively means that no further action will be taken. Sorry, tried to quote but cocked it up!
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Post by Alex on Apr 10, 2018 11:54:56 GMT
Sounds like an investigation done properly and effectively. Job done. I do fear for the burglary victim's safety now, though. I can well imagine the dead man's family wanting some kind of retribution and, after all this, the burglary victim has had a deeply traumatic experience. Indeed the ‘victim’s family and friends have set up a shrine near the pensioners home and it’s looking likely he and his wife will never be able to return as the traveller community is seeking vengeance for the killing. How much this has been hyped up by the media I’m not sure but I can well understand that if the deceased was indeed a traveller then Mr Osborn-Brooks is probably never going to be safe.
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Post by johnc on Apr 10, 2018 12:43:03 GMT
Surely if the traveller community have made it known that they are seeking revenge then that is inciting violence and they should all just be locked up. There is a very simple position here: if the dead man had not committed the crime and burgled the house, he would still be alive and well. His death was no-one's fault but his own. Unfortunately some people always want to find someone else to blame.
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Post by Blarno on Apr 10, 2018 12:44:48 GMT
It seems that the "victim" comes from the "Travelling community"
Retribution is almost guaranteed, sadly.
I often wonder what I would do in similar circumstances now. Back when I was young and single, I was woken one night by the sound of someone trying to get into my Legacy. Luckily the alarm went off and they scarpered.
Briefly.
They came back and tried my back door (oo-er) and that woke me again. Without thinking, I was straight down the stairs, grabbed my hammer out of my toolbox and went after them. Luckily, for them I suppose, I had to unlock the back door first which meant they got a head start. I didn't even think there may have been more than one of them. Nowadays, I have a family to worry about, but also a family to protect. I'd rather be seriously injured or killed than have any of my kids attacked in their own home: I'd happily inflict mortal injury to anyone who breaks into my house and damn the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:20:09 GMT
I heard someone trying to break in to my neighbours place a while ago now. I made as much noise as I could shouting for Sara to call the bluesuits, she was not there but they would not know that. Having got the front door unlocked I was in time to see about half a dozen blokes leaving the area and getting into a transit (yellow) of the type used by scrap thieves. The types who stole Bessie's engine cover while I made a cup of tea. They even tried to make off with Sara's elbow sticks while she wans changing her car. I know this is not pc and even though I have Irish blood in my family, would like to see the Irish traveling community quickly and permanently removed. Get them ALL png'd and shot of. Why, when the Germans get shot of Romanian travelers at will, do we put up with this crap? I have emailed the office of the Irish Taoiseach and president but the suggestion from them is that the travelers have every right to be here. Do they pay tax? Do they respect the law? Do they f as like. Time for them to go for good. Let them travel around the auld country. I am going to stop before I buster blood vessel.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 10, 2018 13:31:44 GMT
I heard someone trying to break in to my neighbours place a while ago now. I made as much noise as I could shouting for Sara to call the bluesuits, she was not there but they would not know that. Having got the front door unlocked I was in time to see about half a dozen blokes leaving the area and getting into a transit (yellow) of the type used by scrap thieves. The types who stole Bessie's engine cover while I made a cup of tea. They even tried to make off with Sara's elbow sticks while she wans changing her car. I know this is not pc and even though I have Irish blood in my family, would like to see the Irish traveling community quickly and permanently removed. Get them ALL png'd and shot of. Why, when the Germans get shot of Romanian travelers at will, do we put up with this crap? I have emailed the office of the Irish Taoiseach and president but the suggestion from them is that the travelers have every right to be here. Do they pay tax? Do they respect the law? Do they f as like. Time for them to go for good. Let them travel around the auld country. I am going to stop before I buster blood vessel. I have sympathy for this opinion. At work we've just been robbed by the travelers again when they cut through a fence and stole some expensive forgings. In fact, I've never worked for any company that hasn't been robbed by travelers, whether it be scaffolding, cable to burn and recover the copper, or pipe and forgings to cash in for scrap. They are complete vermin who offer nothing to this country in return. My wife was physically threatened by them when they came to pick up a car her bodyshop had repaired. They demanded the keys and outright refused to pay the bill, before driving it off. You can call the police but they are shit scared of them, won't take any action and just nod their heads sorrowfully, saying they know the culprits but can't/won't do anything. For me, nothing short of a dedicated task group, tooled up with armoured Transits and riot gear, going round targeting the camps will begin to address the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:46:30 GMT
With the gutless politicians in this country, it will take a group of citizens with guns and firebombs to see these scum moved. Nothing else will do the trick.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 10, 2018 14:16:41 GMT
With the gutless politicians in this country, it will take a group of citizens with guns and firebombs to see these scum moved. Nothing else will do the trick. I'm not suggesting vigilantism. I'm suggesting, for a start, that we agree an income figure that each pikey brings in through cash in hand tarmacing etc - say £40k a year minimum. Then we issue tax demands from each of them for 10% for a start. Then if they don't pay we send in the heavies and start crushing caravans and confiscating vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 15:39:41 GMT
I am allowing for the fact that the law could and should have removed these people a long time ago. No way they will pay tax. They should be removed permanently.
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 10, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
With the gutless politicians in this country, it will take a group of citizens with guns and firebombs to see these scum moved. Nothing else will do the trick. I'm not suggesting vigilantism. I'm suggesting, for a start, that we agree an income figure that each pikey brings in through cash in hand tarmacing etc - say £40k a year minimum. Then we issue tax demands from each of them for 10% for a start. Then if they don't pay we send in the heavies and start crushing caravans and confiscating vehicles. This. Unfortunately there are associations between Hitler and crushing travellers which don't sit well, so enforcing law and order as opposed to annihilation is more palatable. I reckon any party that made it a manifesto pledge to enforce law and order amongst the travelling community would swing a few seats their way - but the current deal is that the law applies to all blah blah blah..... even though, as Bob points out, it clearly doesn't.
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Post by Alex on Apr 10, 2018 16:10:53 GMT
I agree with others that it does at times feel that the Police daren’t even try to challenge some of this behaviour and stay as far clear of traveller camps as possible. Apologies to Stu if there’s more to it than that.
Many years ago a camp was set up in Kings Park in Bournemouth and one day a transporter of brand new Porsches turned up. The Police did confiscate the lot but I bet it rarely happens. Another semi permanent camp was built for them near where I lived and the children used to run riot and terrorise us locals usually turning up at the field when we were playing football and demanding to join in or threatening to beat us up. Eventually the camp closed when the ungrateful fuckers burnt it down.
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Post by LandieMark on Apr 10, 2018 16:55:25 GMT
Camps have been raided in Darlington several times and stolen goods reunited recovered and people arrested. Here was a huge operation last year between N Yorks, Durham and Cleveland Police. It’s a drop in the ocean though.
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Post by PG on Apr 11, 2018 17:53:22 GMT
They are complete vermin who offer nothing to this country in return. For me, nothing short of a dedicated task group, tooled up with armoured Transits and riot gear, going round targeting the camps will begin to address the problem. This pretty much. As they seem to think that they have a monopoly on dishing out violence, they need some of their own medicine. Plus getting them all on tax fraud would also be good.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 11, 2018 18:01:04 GMT
Surely if the traveller community have made it known that they are seeking revenge then that is inciting violence and they should all just be locked up. There is a very simple position here: if the dead man had not committed the crime and burgled the house, he would still be alive and well. His death was no-one's fault but his own. Unfortunately some people always want to find someone else to blame. Being practical, locking up "all of them" might not be that straightforward... 😜
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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 11, 2018 18:04:12 GMT
I agree with others that it does at times feel that the Police daren’t even try to challenge some of this behaviour and stay as far clear of traveller camps as possible. Apologies to Stu if there’s more to it than that. Many years ago a camp was set up in Kings Park in Bournemouth and one day a transporter of brand new Porsches turned up. The Police did confiscate the lot but I bet it rarely happens. Another semi permanent camp was built for them near where I lived and the children used to run riot and terrorise us locals usually turning up at the field when we were playing football and demanding to join in or threatening to beat us up. Eventually the camp closed when the ungrateful fuckers burnt it down. Nope, it feels that way to many officers. Whilst from my perspective we do target them on occasion, such as described by Mark, it isn't often enough to make much of a difference. I feel the frustration of the general public. The stuff in London with the police now patrolling on horseback, how bloody ridiculous.
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Post by johnc on Apr 11, 2018 18:06:02 GMT
They are complete vermin who offer nothing to this country in return. For me, nothing short of a dedicated task group, tooled up with armoured Transits and riot gear, going round targeting the camps will begin to address the problem. This pretty much. As they seem to think that they have a monopoly on dishing out violence, they need some of their own medicine. Plus getting them all on tax fraud would also be good. Things might already be a bit more difficult for them. The Money Laundering regulations mean that no-one can accept a payment in cash of over 10,000 Euros unless they are registered as a high value trader. Even if they are registered they then have an obligation to satisfy themselves about the legitimacy of the source of the funds - this in itself normally means that they will refuse to accept more than 10,000 Euros unless it is a well known business. Those new Mercs and caravans might be slightly more difficult to buy now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 18:09:00 GMT
No more difficult to steal though.
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Post by Alex on Apr 11, 2018 18:14:26 GMT
This pretty much. As they seem to think that they have a monopoly on dishing out violence, they need some of their own medicine. Plus getting them all on tax fraud would also be good. Things might already be a bit more difficult for them. The Money Laundering regulations mean that no-one can accept a payment in cash of over 10,000 Euros unless they are registered as a high value trader. Even if they are registered they then have an obligation to satisfy themselves about the legitimacy of the source of the funds - this in itself normally means that they will refuse to accept more than 10,000 Euros unless it is a well known business. Those new Mercs and caravans might be slightly more difficult to buy now. Where’s this mythical gyppo you’ve found who gives a shit about money laundering regulations?!
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Post by johnc on Apr 11, 2018 19:23:45 GMT
Things might already be a bit more difficult for them. The Money Laundering regulations mean that no-one can accept a payment in cash of over 10,000 Euros unless they are registered as a high value trader. Even if they are registered they then have an obligation to satisfy themselves about the legitimacy of the source of the funds - this in itself normally means that they will refuse to accept more than 10,000 Euros unless it is a well known business. Those new Mercs and caravans might be slightly more difficult to buy now. Where’s this mythical gyppo you’ve found who gives a shit about money laundering regulations?! The issue isn't the Traveller, it's the company selling him his new van, car or caravan - they just can't sell these items for cash.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 11, 2018 21:17:09 GMT
Even when those companies are traveller owned? Or don't really keep much in the way of records?
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Post by bryan on Apr 12, 2018 5:25:56 GMT
I suspect many are bought on credit and then paid off in cash using a third party.
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Post by johnc on Apr 12, 2018 7:56:54 GMT
Even when those companies are traveller owned? Or don't really keep much in the way of records? That is then the job of HMRC to make a visit and bring charges under the ML regulations. The business is very exposed and the owners would/should get jail time.
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Post by johnc on Apr 12, 2018 7:59:58 GMT
I suspect many are bought on credit and then paid off in cash using a third party. The same monetary limits apply though so the credit company would need to be very careful. It's a bit like the Smart motorways: the authorities have all the tools they need to monitor, assess and punish but they just don't use them properly.
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Post by Tim on Apr 12, 2018 8:26:52 GMT
I wonder how many retailers are aware of the money laundering regulations though.
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