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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2018 12:21:44 GMT
Because when you have a 7 seat pretend off roader, what you really need to be able to do is go round corners really fast. Yes, that'll be why the SUV-F1 race series has been such a major success. Oh, there's never been one and no huge SUV has ever been entered into a Touring Car Championship, presumably because it would win too easily. There is talk of NASCAR going SUV and Jaguar are talking up an EV-SUV series. I can't wait to turn over from whatever TV channel that shit will be on. |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2018 12:24:00 GMT
Back to the general subject of diesels, would now be a good or bad time to consider a new diesel? Bad. It's currently a bad time to buy a diesel. It was a idea last year and the year before that and will continue to be a bad time into the foreseeable future. |
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Post by Tim on Sept 26, 2018 12:57:29 GMT
Back to the general subject of diesels, would now be a good or bad time to consider a new diesel? Bad. It's currently a bad time to buy a diesel. It was a idea last year and the year before that and will continue to be a bad time into the foreseeable future.
 Helpful advice there.
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Post by johnc on Sept 26, 2018 14:48:04 GMT
Bad. It's currently a bad time to buy a diesel. It was a idea last year and the year before that and will continue to be a bad time into the foreseeable future.
Helpful advice there.
I spent a while chatting to one of the guys from Jaguar Landrover when I was up at the Blair horse trials a month ago. He was more of an engineer than a salesman, keen to talk about the I-pace and the hybrid but also brutally honest about how useless the hybrid was on longer journeys when the diesel was much better.
In his view, the modern diesels (Euro 6) will be treated no differently from petrols once all the hype settles down. He was critical of the Government's statements which he said had caused misinformation and confusion and he said that diesel sales had suffered as a consequence, in particular in the Jaguar cars. The Land Rover products are not as badly affected but they have noticed a swing towards hybrid although from what he had been told, many customers were lamenting the loss of their diesels and some had even swapped back after a short time.
He still saw a healthy market for them for a while yet.
The Webuyanycar price for my car has also increased by £400 since I did it last month which might indicate that real life economics are playing a bigger part in people's decisions than political spin. On the negative side though, BMW dealers are falling over themselves to sell new diesel cars and the discounts are very significant so it sounds like new diesel car sales are depressed.
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Post by Tim on Sept 26, 2018 15:06:52 GMT
I was on the BMW approved used website last week and was surprised how many 2018 reg 335d X Drive estates there are, mostly at £30k or just under.
For Shadow Edition cars that's a loss, against list price, of at least £16k in 6 months and, say, 5k miles.
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Post by johnc on Sept 26, 2018 16:13:31 GMT
I was on the BMW approved used website last week and was surprised how many 2018 reg 335d X Drive estates there are, mostly at £30k or just under. For Shadow Edition cars that's a loss, against list price, of at least £16k in 6 months and, say, 5k miles. I think there are two reasons for that: the fear factor which has drawn people away from diesel and the fact that the 3 series is near the end of the current model's life and therefore discounts are always much more generous. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 18:06:37 GMT
A neighbour has just swapped her diesel RR for a Merc GLA (engine unknown). I hope she negotiated a decent discount, as that car must be for the chop soon, surely.
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Post by Tim on Sept 27, 2018 8:25:17 GMT
Is the GLA the small one that looks like it's been squashed and then given an increase in ride height?
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 27, 2018 12:28:58 GMT
Is the GLA the small one that looks like it's been squashed and then given an increase in ride height? Yes |
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Post by Tim on Sept 27, 2018 13:00:17 GMT
Cheers.
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Post by PG on Sept 30, 2018 7:11:08 GMT
People buying diesels are OK if they get one on PCP - that way the manufacturer takes the residual risk away. In fact, as said above, there look to be some good deals on if you go that route as people still need to shift diesels.
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Post by Tim on Oct 1, 2018 11:01:21 GMT
Well, now our esteemed Transport Secretary, Chris Grayling, master of railways, has said that there is a clear future for diesel cars.
"Mr Grayling said he was committed to ending the sale of new diesel and petrol cars by 2040, but that diesel cars would have a role in years to come.
"Newer diesel cars today are cleaner than ever before and of course there will be a role for diesel for many years to come as technology evolves," he said"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 11:17:43 GMT
Quite a gap between WLTP and NEDC on the cars featured in this article. www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/europes-car-makers-face-widespread-wltp-disruptionBMW X5 30d SE: Before (NEDC) 47.9mpg, 156g/km Now (WLTP) 40.9mpg, 183g/km Jaguar XF Sportbrake 2.0d: Before (NEDC) 62.8mpg, 118g/km Now (WLTP) MPG tbc, 143g/km Range Rover Evoque 2.0 eD4: Before (NEDC) 65.7mpg, 154g/km Now (WLTP) 48.7mpg, 154g/km Volvo V40 R Design Pro D2: Before (NEDC) 78.5mpg, 94g/km Now (WLTP) 58.9mpg, 126g/km Mercedes GLA 200d SE: Before (NEDC) 68.9mpg, 108g/km Now (WLTP) 51.4mpg, 147g/km I don't think the Evoque CO2 figure is correct, as they've just repeated the before figure. Doing a rough calculation of (65.7/48.7) x 154 I get a rounded up 208g/km. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 1, 2018 11:56:36 GMT
They look better but I suspect still pretty unachievable for most of us.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 1, 2018 12:51:47 GMT
Amusingly the two with the least change are both VW Group cars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 14:09:13 GMT
They've obviously learnt not to play hard and fast with the numbers!
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Post by Alex on Oct 1, 2018 20:02:31 GMT
WLTP is pretty bad news for company car drivers. With VED set at £140 as standard private buyers are no longer chasing the lowest CO2 figures but company car tax bands are still based on it and have not been adjusted for WLTP so anyone getting a new car with the new rating is going to get a nasty surprise on their next P11d.
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Post by Martin on Oct 1, 2018 20:08:21 GMT
WLTP is pretty bad news for company car drivers. With VED set at £140 as standard private buyers are no longer chasing the lowest CO2 figures but company car tax bands are still based on it and have not been adjusted for WLTP so anyone getting a new car with the new rating is going to get a nasty surprise on their next P11d. First time I’ve read this, does it apply to company car tax? “Many car manufacturers are testing their models under the new WLTP rules but then converting them back to 'NEDC equivalent' figures, which they are allowed to do by law until 2020 when a new taxation system is brought into place” |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Oct 1, 2018 20:18:06 GMT
Yes - they will use CO2MPAS (which converts WLTP to NEDC). Fleet news says that the converted figures can be a fair amount higher than before so there will be rises.
The bands change again in April so it is getting less and less attractive.
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Post by Martin on Oct 1, 2018 20:35:24 GMT
Yes - they will use CO2MPAS (which converts WLTP to NEDC). Fleet news says that the converted figures can be a fair amount higher than before so there will be rises. The bands change again in April so it is getting less and less attractive. Interesting. I’ve not looked at the figures for a while but when I did there wasn’t much in it, even with a fairly high mileage. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 2, 2018 7:27:29 GMT
The company car will be a financial non starter in 4 or 5 years if the Govt keep increasing the BIK each year. The only real option will be an electric vehicle. We have looked at the new WLTP CO2 emissions for a couple of clients and the differences for the same cars are quite significant. The good news is that the BIK calculation is based on the CO2 emissions shown on the V5 so those not showing WLTP figures will have a lower BIK and will keep it until the car is changed.
What I am not sure of is from what date WLTP figures will be shown on the V5. |
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Post by Alex on Oct 2, 2018 9:30:18 GMT
The company car will be a financial non starter in 4 or 5 years if the Govt keep increasing the BIK each year. The only real option will be an electric vehicle. We have looked at the new WLTP CO2 emissions for a couple of clients and the differences for the same cars are quite significant. The good news is that the BIK calculation is based on the CO2 emissions shown on the V5 so those not showing WLTP figures will have a lower BIK and will keep it until the car is changed.
What I am not sure of is from what date WLTP figures will be shown on the V5. Presumably any new car registered with a WLTP figure will have it abc those registered before will keep their NEDC figure. You are right about it being a non starter which is find for those who have a choice. Big of a pain for those of us that don’t and are clobbered by the ever increasing tax take. Wasn’t it the Tory’s who used to accuse Labour of levelling stealth taxes when they were in power? |
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Post by Martin on Oct 2, 2018 10:54:38 GMT
The company car will be a financial non starter in 4 or 5 years if the Govt keep increasing the BIK each year. The only real option will be an electric vehicle. We have looked at the new WLTP CO2 emissions for a couple of clients and the differences for the same cars are quite significant. The good news is that the BIK calculation is based on the CO2 emissions shown on the V5 so those not showing WLTP figures will have a lower BIK and will keep it until the car is changed.
What I am not sure of is from what date WLTP figures will be shown on the V5. Presumably any new car registered with a WLTP figure will have it abc those registered before will keep their NEDC figure. You are right about it being a non starter which is find for those who have a choice. Big of a pain for those of us that don’t and are clobbered by the ever increasing tax take. Wasn’t it the Tory’s who used to accuse Labour of levelling stealth taxes when they were in power? There’s always a choice. If the tax gets too (even more) horrendous then I’m sure you employer would consider a cash payment instead. |
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Post by Alex on Oct 2, 2018 12:08:35 GMT
Presumably any new car registered with a WLTP figure will have it abc those registered before will keep their NEDC figure. You are right about it being a non starter which is find for those who have a choice. Big of a pain for those of us that don’t and are clobbered by the ever increasing tax take. Wasn’t it the Tory’s who used to accuse Labour of levelling stealth taxes when they were in power? There’s always a choice. If the tax gets too (even more) horrendous then I’m sure you employer would consider a cash payment instead. They’ve never done so in the 30+ years of the company’s history and I doubt that will change. There are a lot of company car drivers who don’t get a choice. With lease rates being so heavily linked to mileage the restrictions some employers are putting on private use rather makes a mockery of the employee being taxed on the benefit of having the car. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 2, 2018 12:19:25 GMT
But if the employer can't get employees because of the level of the BIK, they either have to up the salary to compensate or offer an alternative. There might be some short term pain but it will settle down in time. I think the Government have pushed the car BIK limits about as far as they can go and they will now start to see their income from this source decline. The same thing happened about 10 to 12 years ago and they had to stand back for a few years without any or many increases except at the margins. Car list prices have also increased substantially over the past 5 years which has added to the pain felt by Co car drivers. |
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Post by Alex on Oct 2, 2018 21:38:57 GMT
But if the employer can't get employees because of the level of the BIK, they either have to up the salary to compensate or offer an alternative. There might be some short term pain but it will settle down in time. I think the Government have pushed the car BIK limits about as far as they can go and they will now start to see their income from this source decline. The same thing happened about 10 to 12 years ago and they had to stand back for a few years without any or many increases except at the margins. Car list prices have also increased substantially over the past 5 years which has added to the pain felt by Co car drivers. Well absolutely and I do think there will have to be some re thinking at some point. Manufacturers have been slowly increasing list prices because they’ve been shielded by the fact that no one buys their car outright in one lump payment so as long as the monthly can be kept competitive everyone’s happy. This has been painful for company car drivers, however I think we’ve been forgotten because we’re a cash cow that often has no choice but to have the car so can’t really protest. Another thing to think about is the growth of plug in hybrids which are slowly creeping onto the fleet. Our company all gives us a fuel card which includes personal fuel for which we are taxed as an additional benefit, but with a plug in hybrid we’d have to pay to charge it via an increased electricity bill. Take that a step further in future when we have full electric cars and you’ll have to start wondering how it’s paid for and what benefit will we get? |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 3, 2018 7:55:44 GMT
I know a lot of companies now are looking closely at how they manage the cash alternative to a company car and how they manage their liabilities. It's alright giving someone a cash allowance to buy their own car but how does the company ensure it is maintained properly - tyres & brakes etc, how do they know it's insured. If an employee with a car allowance uses his car on company business to transport colleagues and there's an accident and it comes out they're not properly insured who's liable and who gets sued? The oil and gas industry is very risk averse and a lot of the larger companies now say if you need a car for business and there's not a company car scheme you drive to work in your own car where a fully insured hire car will be waiting and you drive that for the day, week, whatever, and then return it to the car park and go home in your own. I can see the days of using your own car on company business, even if funded with an allowance, being limited.
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Post by Alex on Oct 3, 2018 8:14:45 GMT
My next door neighbour works for Siemens at the new Thameslink rail depot and he had a training course to go to last week and they had Enterprise deliver him a car to his home to use as they’ve got a policy of not allowing staff to use their own cars for work purposes.
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Post by Tim on Oct 3, 2018 8:29:35 GMT
We have a company policy that people using their own cars have to provide a copy of the insurance certificate to show they have business use cover.
NHS Tayside have that policy as well and would send Mrs Tim a reminder every year when the insurance renewed.
It's probably one of the few things they did right, going by recent news stories!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 3, 2018 8:33:08 GMT
We have a company policy that people using their own cars have to provide a copy of the insurance certificate to show they have business use cover. NHS Tayside have that policy as well and would send Mrs Tim a reminder every year when the insurance renewed. It's probably one of the few things they did right, going by recent news stories! What if they take out that policy and then cancel it a month later? Do the insurance company contact the NHS to let them know? |
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