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Post by johnc on Feb 7, 2018 11:58:13 GMT
My daughter came in last night having been driven to and from swimming training by a friends mother in her new Disco - I asked her what she thought of the Disco and she said it was nice but it was so stupid that you can't just press a button to put the heated seat on - apparently it has to be put on by going through the menu on the touchscreen. I haven't sat in one properly so I can't corroborate what she saw but if that is the case, why? What is wrong with a well recognised button for a single function: so much simpler and safer that fiddling around in a touchscreen menu.
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Post by michael on Feb 7, 2018 12:14:44 GMT
It's the same on Volvo now. The XC90 asks you to go through a similar menu to get to the seat options. The reasons I assume are cost. Rather than engineer a car that may or may not have a blanking plate for a feature it's much easier to delegate all that variation to a touch screen.
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2018 12:32:58 GMT
Cost may come into it but most modern cars have all these functions built into a universal wiring loom. The extra cost of the feature will, in the case if heated seats, be the addition of the heater one end and a button the other. No new wiring goes into it and the function is already loaded onto the ECU. I think the reason for it is to do with making the dashboard look less cluttered and more of a clean design.
I have a similar issue with the dashboard illumination in the Golf. You have to go to the car menu then the settings sub menu and then the living sub menu before adjusting it on the screen. Not ideal at all. Ironically though, according to the manual in certain markets where the touchscreen isn’t a standard piece of equipment, there’s a handy little knob next to the main light switch like you had on the mk6!
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Post by michael on Feb 7, 2018 12:37:59 GMT
Cost certainly is an issue. If you don't have to account for a button you don't need to buy the button, the blanking switch or put the wiring to another part of the car during manufacture - as you say a wiring loom centralises the work and it makes the building of a car that little bit easier.
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Post by Tim on Feb 7, 2018 13:21:27 GMT
Land Rover have clearly been on a cost saving mission then because I had a twiddle of the rotary heater controls in a friend's new Disco and they felt flimsy and as if they weren't attached to anything.
They were of a similar quality of the ones in a Kia Ceed I sat in when looking for a new car for my parents in 2010.
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Post by michael on Feb 7, 2018 13:25:22 GMT
The heated / cooling function on the new Land Cruiser is a reassuringly solid dial in the centre console. They have a lovely honesty to them that Land Rovers lost a few years ago.
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Post by grampa on Feb 7, 2018 13:35:24 GMT
And I struggle with the Morris Minor!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 17:00:50 GMT
Even Bess has buttons I never use, mostly because I do not know what they are for, neither do VW. Pretty poor state of affairs tbh.
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Post by Blarno on Feb 7, 2018 17:16:12 GMT
Common wiring looms have been in place for decades - I remember fitting an SRi clock set to my Belmont dash and having full functionality without any extra looms. It was the same with one of my Vectras - I wanted to fit electric rear windows and it was a simple as changing the regulators and fitting the switches. Everything was already built into the door.
The SAAB is the same, but with the added complexity of having to access the TECH 2 system to activate certain settings, which I don't have the ability to do, otherwise I'd have fitted the upgraded NAV stereo by now.
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Post by PR on Feb 7, 2018 18:59:11 GMT
Here's how it works. Push the climate control temperature dial, twist to set desired arse warming or cooling level, push again to activate. Repeat in reverse to turn off. The display graphics even include a seat icon and the word 'PUSH'!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 19:26:41 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 7, 2018 19:30:11 GMT
I guess the mother needs to read the manual.
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Post by Martin on Feb 7, 2018 19:41:24 GMT
Here's how it works. Push the climate control temperature dial, twist to set desired arse warming or cooling level, push again to activate. Repeat in reverse to turn off. The display graphics even include a seat icon and the word 'PUSH'! Yes, the two dials are clearly marked..... OK, it’s not quite as simple as a seperate button, but it’s really not complicated at all.  cdn images |
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2018 22:44:14 GMT
So have we just had a thread slagging off the new Disco for no longer having a heated seat button when it actually does, it just turns out John’s daughter couldn’t find it?
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Post by michael on Feb 7, 2018 22:48:08 GMT
Who the hell would have their climate control set to 25?
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 7, 2018 23:08:48 GMT
Who the hell would have their climate control set to 25? A woman! 🤐 |
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Post by Martin on Feb 8, 2018 6:19:04 GMT
I might if it was really hot outside. But it could be someone who thinks turning it up higher makes the car warm up faster....
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Post by humphreythepug on Feb 8, 2018 6:46:56 GMT
But it could be someone who thinks turning it up higher makes the car warm up faster.... A woman then! |
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Post by johnc on Feb 8, 2018 8:24:58 GMT
I guess the mother needs to read the manual. I guess so. She is a highly intelligent Doctor with little common sense! I have confirmed with my daughter that those dials are not the way they put the heated seats on. Is there an alternative more convoluted method of doing it through the on screen menus?
It wasn't meant as a dig at Land Rover, more a comment on the way that cars have in many ways become more complicated than they need be.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Feb 8, 2018 8:36:58 GMT
I guess the mother needs to read the manual. I guess so. She is a highly intelligent Doctor with little common sense! I have confirmed with my daughter that those dials are not the way they put the heated seats on. Is there an alternative more convoluted method of doing it through the on screen menus?
It wasn't meant as a dig at Land Rover, more a comment on the way that cars have in many ways become more complicated than they need be.
As my dad is finding out with his new Superb! Hecwas on the phone late last night having done something in the menus to activate something in the auxiliary heater that kept the fans running for a while after they got home. I'm visiting on Tuesday, so I can go and set it all up! |
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Post by Blarno on Feb 8, 2018 8:40:50 GMT
Here's how it works. Push the climate control temperature dial, twist to set desired arse warming or cooling level, push again to activate. Repeat in reverse to turn off. The display graphics even include a seat icon and the word 'PUSH'! Hold up! The Jaguar Land Rover Defence Team is here!   |
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Post by michael on Feb 8, 2018 8:52:21 GMT
I guess so. She is a highly intelligent Doctor with little common sense! I have confirmed with my daughter that those dials are not the way they put the heated seats on. Is there an alternative more convoluted method of doing it through the on screen menus? I’m sure someone will be along to correct me but I seem to recal there is a menu for the seats that has the massage settings on which you can also change the seat temp. It may be that the owner doesn’t know about the shortcut. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 8, 2018 10:08:31 GMT
I guess the mother needs to read the manual.
Sometimes easier said than done nowadays. If there was a simple button - like in the old days (!) - it wouldn't be necessary to refer to the manual
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Post by grampa on Feb 8, 2018 10:29:18 GMT
Common wiring looms have been in place for decades - I remember fitting an SRi clock set to my Belmont dash and having full functionality without any extra looms. It was the same with one of my Vectras - I wanted to fit electric rear windows and it was a simple as changing the regulators and fitting the switches. Everything was already built into the door. The SAAB is the same, but with the added complexity of having to access the TECH 2 system to activate certain settings, which I don't have the ability to do, otherwise I'd have fitted the upgraded NAV stereo by now. It has crossed my mind that a sat nav might be sitting in the dash of my Scirocco (the control unit looks identical, but I just have the stereo interfaces) and all it takes is some coding to unlock it. |
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Post by grampa on Feb 8, 2018 10:30:03 GMT
I guess the mother needs to read the manual.
Sometimes easier said than done nowadays. If there was a simple button - like in the old days (!) - it wouldn't be necessary to refer to the manual
I've yet to read a car manual - if there's anything beyond the obvious functionality of the switches, my cars probably have features I've never used. |
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Post by PR on Feb 8, 2018 15:05:49 GMT
Michael is absolutely correct. You will spot in Martin's picture a button just above the heater dials depicting two seats. That button opens the seating menu on the screen which can control heating, cooling or massaging of all thusly equipped seats (three rows of heated seats in a Disco!). The seats can also be folded using the screen, or a mobile app.
John, this must be the button your daughter's chauffeur has been using.
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Post by johnc on Feb 8, 2018 15:33:20 GMT
Michael is absolutely correct. You will spot in Martin's picture a button just above the heater dials depicting two seats. That button opens the seating menu on the screen which can control heating, cooling or massaging of all thusly equipped seats (three rows of heated seats in a Disco!). The seats can also be folded using the screen, or a mobile app. John, this must be the button your daughter's chauffeur has been using. I'll take great pleasure in telling her - a very yummy mummy! |
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Post by bryan on Feb 9, 2018 7:41:34 GMT
The prevalence of touch screens in cars is a problem for me. As some of you know I had a few issues which mean I have to focus a lot harder to drive these days and I avoid multi tasking eg setting satnav on the move. Buttons/dials are perfect to interact with but as more cars go touchscreen I may have to stick to the older models!
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Post by cbeaks1 on Feb 9, 2018 8:43:40 GMT
I’m not a big user of voice control but don’t touchscreen cars have mist features controllable by voice command?
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Post by johnc on Feb 9, 2018 9:51:33 GMT
I’m not a big user of voice control but don’t touchscreen cars have mist features controllable by voice command? I must say that I love voice control for my satnav. It is up an running with directions in seconds with no manual input at all. |
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