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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 9, 2018 16:33:39 GMT
One thing I notice that would annoy me is that an M4 coupe has the same cheapo felted boot lining you get in a 114i. At least my GC has proper carpeting. I know, it irritates me too - I just cover it in golf clubs! That's strange because my Touring has a very nice carpeted load area that feels good quality. It still gets golf clubs chucked on top mind. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 9, 2018 16:59:08 GMT
I know, it irritates me too - I just cover it in golf clubs! That's strange because my Touring has a very nice carpeted load area that feels good quality. It still gets golf clubs chucked on top mind. All Tourings/SUVs/GTs and the 4GC seem to get the nice carpeted boot. Hopefully the 6 and 7-series generally do - I've not had the opportunity to check.
But normal 1/2/3/4/5 hatches, saloons, coupes and convertibles have to make do with the horrid felting. Certainly my E60 M5 had the felting and so did the M4 convertible I had a poke about in.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 9, 2018 20:43:56 GMT
Have I missed why you’re not looking at the Alfa? 50k fund it through Lombard at cheapo rates. Jobs a good’un
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Post by johnc on Jan 10, 2018 6:40:20 GMT
Have I missed why you’re not looking at the Alfa? 50k fund it through Lombard at cheapo rates. Jobs a good’un Call it prejudice but I couldn't spend £50K of my money on an Alfa. I have little love for Alfa Romeo in the ownership department having seen a few friends badly burnt in the late 80's and whilst I would love to try/borrow/rent one I couldn't put everything I have on red and hope it comes good. It is also a small point but the rear seats don't fold which would give me a problem a few times a year. |
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Post by PG on Jan 10, 2018 13:25:26 GMT
Let's face it, the 440i GC is all the car you'll ever need. By which token my V8 XF was all the car I ever needed. But until you scratch the itch - M3/4, XFR etc - it remains there, itching away.
So although every bit of common sense says get the 440i, I reckon that if you get it, within 6 months you'll be looking at M4's again on the web and doing someman maths.
So if you can do it now, do it now.
Then of course, you'll have the reverse issue. You'll then do man maths to explain why you should keep the M4 / get another one, when you come to that time in your life when you may not really be able to justify it any more. My working on why I should keep the XFR in retirement are available should you need to use them.....
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 10, 2018 16:22:38 GMT
Let's face it, the 440i GC is all the car you'll ever need. By which token my V8 XF was all the car I ever needed. But until you scratch the itch - M3/4, XFR etc - it remains there, itching away. So although every bit of common sense says get the 440i, I reckon that if you get it, within 6 months you'll be looking at M4's again on the web and doing someman maths. So if you can do it now, do it now. This. It's why I went to look at the E92 M3 last week: having missed that one in 2016 I still want one - to the extent I have already been looking at Miltek, Akrapovic and Remus exhausts for the one I don't have. I do not in any way shape or form need one, but I still want one. (caveat: I do not need a 507BHP estate car in any way shape or form either and a 440i GC would be a perfectly reasonable family car). |
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 11, 2018 12:27:49 GMT
Let's face it, the 440i GC is all the car you'll ever need. By which token my V8 XF was all the car I ever needed. But until you scratch the itch - M3/4, XFR etc - it remains there, itching away. So although every bit of common sense says get the 440i, I reckon that if you get it, within 6 months you'll be looking at M4's again on the web and doing someman maths. So if you can do it now, do it now. Then of course, you'll have the reverse issue. You'll then do man maths to explain why you should keep the M4 / get another one, when you come to that time in your life when you may not really be able to justify it any more. My working on why I should keep the XFR in retirement are available should you need to use them..... Drive a 440i. Only then can you know whether the itch will remain.
Personally I don't look at M4s any more and think "ooh want to change". Perhaps if there was an M4 GC and it had a V8, then yes. But as things stand, no.
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Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2018 13:19:23 GMT
When I have Tax Return month out the way I am going to go and try a few things including a C43 (how can a C63 and an E43 be £15K more expensive?). My wife wants to come with me to try the M4 and I'll see if I can find a 440i - there aren't many used or demo ones around in my neck of the woods. A new discounted C43 Premium Plus with just about everything else ticked can be had for around £50K which gives about 360hp and 4WD but I think it's too small so we'll see.
My wife advised me last night that she thought I should keep my car.....AND BUY HER A HORSE! Been there and done it before - I'd be cheaper buying a rusty Italian classic. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 11, 2018 13:54:26 GMT
My wife advised me last night that she thought I should keep my car.....AND BUY HER A HORSE! Been there and done it before - I'd be cheaper buying a rusty Italian classic. Will she sell "her" car and use the horse instead ?? |
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Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2018 14:17:36 GMT
When I have Tax Return month out the way I am going to go and try a few things including a C43 (how can a C63 and an E43 be £15K more expensive?). My wife wants to come with me to try the M4 and I'll see if I can find a 440i - there aren't many used or demo ones around in my neck of the woods. A new discounted C43 Premium Plus with just about everything else ticked can be had for around £50K which gives about 360hp and 4WD but I think it's too small so we'll see.
My wife advised me last night that she thought I should keep my car.....AND BUY HER A HORSE! Been there and done it before - I'd be cheaper buying a rusty Italian classic. If the E43 is an option, what about a nearly new M5 Competition? Nicer inside than an M4, more refined and comfortable but still quick and good to drive, twin turbo V8 with a sports exhaust....plus it’s in budget. M6 GC Competition would be even better, but they are a fair bit more expensive. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2018 15:11:02 GMT
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Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2018 16:01:24 GMT
I'm too picky with spec and I can get new with more spec for less than those cars - Scotland is not the place to get a bargain! |
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Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2018 16:07:31 GMT
When I have Tax Return month out the way I am going to go and try a few things including a C43 (how can a C63 and an E43 be £15K more expensive?). My wife wants to come with me to try the M4 and I'll see if I can find a 440i - there aren't many used or demo ones around in my neck of the woods. A new discounted C43 Premium Plus with just about everything else ticked can be had for around £50K which gives about 360hp and 4WD but I think it's too small so we'll see.
My wife advised me last night that she thought I should keep my car.....AND BUY HER A HORSE! Been there and done it before - I'd be cheaper buying a rusty Italian classic. If the E43 is an option, what about a nearly new M5 Competition? Nicer inside than an M4, more refined and comfortable but still quick and good to drive, twin turbo V8 with a sports exhaust....plus it’s in budget. M6 GC Competition would be even better, but they are a fair bit more expensive. I have looked and it would be a very nice place to sit but I think they will fall in value significantly over the next year with the new car out. I think I have said before that I have a client who bought a really nice blue M6GC and he loves everything about the car but nothing about the cost of servicing and spare parts. He reckons they just double or treble every bill. I have the feeling that when he changes it next year, it won't be replaced by anything of a similar nature.
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Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2018 16:19:39 GMT
That’s the M tax! Isn’t the 3 Series being replaced this year, so the same would apply on a years time?
Who know what will happen, but a lightly used M5 is half the cost of a new one which has to help.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 11, 2018 16:43:57 GMT
Have I missed why you’re not looking at the Alfa? 50k fund it through Lombard at cheapo rates. Jobs a good’un Call it prejudice but I couldn't spend £50K of my money on an Alfa. I have little love for Alfa Romeo in the ownership department having seen a few friends badly burnt in the late 80's and whilst I would love to try/borrow/rent one I couldn't put everything I have on red and hope it comes good. It is also a small point but the rear seats don't fold which would give me a problem a few times a year. Can't argue with that. The interiors not a patch on the BMW either especially if its has the extended leather option. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 11, 2018 17:06:01 GMT
There are a couple of pre-reg 340 saloons fairly locally - Eastern at Newbridge and Grassicks at Perth. I'm too picky with spec and I can get new with more spec for less than those cars - Scotland is not the place to get a bargain! It was if you wanted to go for a test drive. |
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Post by johnc on Jan 11, 2018 17:15:37 GMT
I'm too picky with spec and I can get new with more spec for less than those cars - Scotland is not the place to get a bargain! It was if you wanted to go for a test drive. Very true Tim and thanks |
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Post by Martin on Jan 15, 2018 18:47:50 GMT
I had a look at the numbers on a still decent, but slightly lower spec 440i GC (£42k after discount of £12k) and if we were to go down the PCP route, the monthly payments are pretty much the same as a reasonably well specced (to a fraction under £40k list) Golf R. The GFV is quite low and the interest rates relatively high (4.9%) which doesn't help the monthly cost, but if I bought something like the Golf then I would probably pay cash, which opens up a bit of a gap. We had a look at the GC and M140i on Saturday and they're now on the short list, so I will arrange to have a test drive when we get back from holiday. I'm not sure my eldest would fit comfortably in the back of a 4 GC though, which isn't a complete dealbreaker as it wouldn't be our main car, but I do want to balance out the mileage a bit more in the future.
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Post by johnc on Jan 15, 2018 18:55:12 GMT
I had a look at the numbers on a still decent, but slightly lower spec 440i GC (£42k after discount of £12k) and if we were to go down the PCP route, the monthly payments are pretty much the same as a reasonably well specced (to a fraction under £40k list) Golf R. The GFV is quite low and the interest rates relatively high (4.9%) which doesn't help the monthly cost, but if I bought something like the Golf then I would probably pay cash, which opens up a bit of a gap. We had a look at the GC and M140i on Saturday and they're now on the short list, so I will arrange to have a test drive when we get back from holiday. I'm not sure my eldest would fit comfortably in the back of a 4 GC though, which isn't a complete dealbreaker as it wouldn't be our main car, but I do want to balance out the mileage a bit more in the future. The 440iGC can be had with 1.9%apr finance from BMW at the moment and the 1 series is also a low apr. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 15, 2018 19:09:14 GMT
I had a look at the numbers on a still decent, but slightly lower spec 440i GC (£42k after discount of £12k) and if we were to go down the PCP route, the monthly payments are pretty much the same as a reasonably well specced (to a fraction under £40k list) Golf R. The GFV is quite low and the interest rates relatively high (4.9%) which doesn't help the monthly cost, but if I bought something like the Golf then I would probably pay cash, which opens up a bit of a gap. We had a look at the GC and M140i on Saturday and they're now on the short list, so I will arrange to have a test drive when we get back from holiday. I'm not sure my eldest would fit comfortably in the back of a 4 GC though, which isn't a complete dealbreaker as it wouldn't be our main car, but I do want to balance out the mileage a bit more in the future. The 440iGC can be had with 1.9%apr finance from BMW at the moment and the 1 series is also a low apr. Yes, sorry I meant the VW rate is 4.9% which is one of the reasons, along with the possibly conservative GFV that makes them the same cost per month. |
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Post by johnc on Jan 16, 2018 8:34:58 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jan 16, 2018 8:43:39 GMT
Thanks John. We’d probably only go down the finance route if we decide to keep the Boxster as well.
edit: the link is for business finance
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Post by johnc on Jan 16, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
Thanks John. We’d probably only go down the finance route if we decide to keep the Boxster as well. edit: the link is for business finance .................and what are you lining up for yourself? |
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Post by Martin on Jan 16, 2018 11:55:48 GMT
Still at the long list stage as I’m trying to make a fleet decision based on what we both want / need rather than two individual decisions.
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