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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 2, 2018 14:40:17 GMT
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Post by michael on Jan 2, 2018 14:54:55 GMT
Think the second on the right is a 206 with a Mini further along. In the left I think there’s a Jazz and can’t work out if the first on the left is a Touerag or a Passat.
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Post by michael on Jan 2, 2018 14:57:16 GMT
It’s a Focus estate not a Jazz. I’m talking about picture 1 at the top.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 2, 2018 15:55:57 GMT
Liverpool. 1300 cars destroyed. That'll mean 2000 total loss claims going in then....
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Post by michael on Jan 2, 2018 17:36:14 GMT
I saw a woman on the news bleating on that she had lost “everything”. They don’t half know how to be hard done by over there.
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Post by Alex on Jan 2, 2018 19:09:26 GMT
I saw a woman on the news bleating on that she had lost “everything”. They don’t half know how to be hard done by over there. I saw that too. Not sure why she left all her worldly possessions in her car. 🙄
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 2, 2018 19:39:34 GMT
I saw a woman on the news bleating on that she had lost “everything”. They don’t half know how to be hard done by over there. I saw that too. Not sure why she left all her worldly possessions in her car. 🙄Pikey?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 3, 2018 9:23:59 GMT
I saw a woman on the news bleating on that she had lost “everything”. They don’t half know how to be hard done by over there. Morning Boris!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 3, 2018 15:05:31 GMT
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Post by Blarno on Jan 3, 2018 15:12:22 GMT
Well, I laughed!
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 3, 2018 15:14:55 GMT
They really don’t get it that groups of people are stereotyped for a reason. Nah, I’m off fer me pie n mash; jellied eels; apples and pears. Cor blimey I’ve spilled some Edwina dahn me Peckham Rye! Luv a duck!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 3, 2018 15:20:42 GMT
They really don’t get it that groups of people are stereotyped for a reason. Nah, I’m off fer me pie n mash; jellied eels; apples and pears. Cor blimey I’ve spilled some Edwina dahn me Peckham Rye! Luv a duck! Welsh?
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 3, 2018 15:21:04 GMT
It may not be in the best of taste (doesn’t stop it being funny), but vile and hurtful?!
I am getting fed up of people taking offence at the smallest little thing.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 3, 2018 15:28:48 GMT
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Post by michael on Jan 3, 2018 20:27:26 GMT
Causing offence is critical right of free speech. I’m all for it.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 3, 2018 20:56:40 GMT
Causing offence is critical right of free speech. I’m all for it. You’re quite good at it too! 😜
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 4, 2018 11:31:48 GMT
Causing offence is critical right of free speech. I’m all for it. I completely agree. The easily offended must, at all costs, be offended repeatedly until they simply learn to get over themselves. I can't bear the sort of people who come across as professional offence-takers, especially when they take offence on behalf of others.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 4, 2018 11:48:30 GMT
I think you've got to be a bit careful that you are not promoting carte blanche to offend - I can think of numerous occasions where causing offence is completely out of order.
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Post by michael on Jan 4, 2018 11:59:32 GMT
Depends on your examples but if you’re thinking about hate speech that would be different. That said there are plenty cases of free speech being labelled hate speech which is where our freedom of speech is being most eroded. Examples being religion, transgender rights and the environment.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 4, 2018 12:18:17 GMT
This week it's veganism, surely? After some chef allegedly "spiked" a vegan meal with meat. Here's a genuine point for those of you with vegetarian or vegan friends:
When they come to yours for dinner are they expecting you to have a vegetarian option, or even cook largely vegetarian food for all? Most likely, yes. When you go to theirs for dinner do they serve you a nice rare piece of fillet steak or bloodied rack of lamb? Thought not....
We're an omnivorous species: they need to get over themselves.
Further to the "offence" vs. "hate" bit. A Jewish guy in the staff restaurant this morning laughed about not telling "a Jew that chicken soup isn't a form of medicine" (his actual verbiage hence the inverted commas). I then bantered with him about if your wife-to-be can't cook chicken soup then your mama is going to tell you she ain't your wife to be no more. I'm a pretty upright Christian so was I out of order commenting on religious grounds? were we having a laugh? or was that offensively stereotypical? I remember Marlon Brando raging about "kikes in Hollywood calling the shots" and some Hollywood face saying "this monster can't call us 'kikes'. He'll never work again.", thereby proving Brando correct, albeit in an offensive manner.
You can't live in the world getting upset by this kind of shite: kids are starving to death by the minute; women being raped; animals being tortured; families being slaughtered in wars. A black girl called me a "ghost" once when I was in my late teens: I was more flattered she had even noticed me than racially abused me.
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Post by michael on Jan 4, 2018 19:17:21 GMT
I find it to be a very left/right sort of thing. The right tends to argue on reason where the left tend to argue on morals. Faced with reason their arguements tend to crumble which is why the moral outrage is nothing more than a device to shut down an alternative point of view. I find there to be little more pathetic than the person who responds to a debate with a reply along the lines of, “that’s my final word and I won’t be listing anymore”. It sounds trivial but it’s why we don’t truly have free speech anymore.
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Post by Tim on Jan 5, 2018 9:32:58 GMT
I don't think you can politicise people's outrage or offence!! What about all the (presumably right wing) retired Colonels who write in to the Telegraph?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 9:48:33 GMT
This week it's veganism, surely? After some chef allegedly "spiked" a vegan meal with meat. Here's a genuine point for those of you with vegetarian or vegan friends: When they come to yours for dinner are they expecting you to have a vegetarian option, or even cook largely vegetarian food for all? Most likely, yes. When you go to theirs for dinner do they serve you a nice rare piece of fillet steak or bloodied rack of lamb? Thought not.... We're an omnivorous species: they need to get over themselves. I think you are condemning people for what you think they will do, which isn't fair (tempting, but not fair). Mrs 12th and I are veggie, and obviously won't eat meat at friends. But being friends, they don't expect us to. We do, on the other hand, add meat dishes to what we cook for them. Not all the time, and I wouldn't devote more time to it than to any other part of the cooking (which with me isn't a lot), but there you go. Not sure the last comment is that productive, either.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 5, 2018 10:23:21 GMT
From my experience I think I'd find you are an exception as opposed to a rule.
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Post by Tim on Jan 5, 2018 10:26:23 GMT
Mrs Tim is a veggie and quite happily cooks meat products for visitors (and me). When we go to see friends she always tells them she'll provide her own meal to save them any hassle, apart from when we go somewhere where the host(s) are veggie themselves.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 5, 2018 10:45:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:46:23 GMT
From my experience I think I'd find you are an exception as opposed to a rule. Maybe you do more entertaining than we do? Those we do have this sort of arrangement with are all very close and long-standing friends - I can imagine if it's sometimes with people that you aren't quite so chummy with that it can feel like a bit of an imposition.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 5, 2018 10:51:12 GMT
If we have friends coming to dinner that are vegetarian I'm happy to cook something for all of us without meat - there are plenty of recipes to try and I'm not exclusively omnivorous. That said, we have vegetarian friends from Australia and they are happy to muck in and eat what we eat while they're here. Vegetarianism isn't a religion.
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Post by Blarno on Jan 5, 2018 10:57:20 GMT
Veganism is though, it would seem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 11:03:40 GMT
The problem with that piece is that even though it tries to hint at the subtleties, they get lost - this is the perennial problem with the mainstream media reporting on science (and at least the article tries - which makes it massively better than most). It may be that avoiding meat causes physiological differences and increases rates of depression, but there's nothing here to draw any conclusions from.
The problems with this story are:
It deals with a review of a single study from 25 years ago. The sample is not huge - 350 veggies is not a large number. Did they stay vegetarian (as most people do not), and if so did those who readopted meat experience fewer depressive symptoms than those who didn't? It is in a specific location, and there are regional differences between rates of depression. The sample is a very specific group (expectant dads) - who might be more prone to stress at that time anyway. Did they revisit the participants, because otherwise it's just a snapshot and worth two parts of bugger-all, scientifically-speaking? It doesn't specify how big the effect is - the smaller the sample size the greater the difference needs to be for it to be deemed statistically valid.
Basically, the study was flawed in a great many ways, from what the story presents. It would be more productive to design a robust one and start again, but then that entails cost, a lot of time, and no guarantee of anything of interest at the end.
But this is the worst line, scientifically-speaking:
'Following a vegetarian diet could increase a person’s chances of suffering symptoms of depression, according to a new analysis.' This is logically unproven. Choosing to avoid meat says a fair amount about the mindset of the person in question, and it may be just (or even more) likely that the sort of person who worries about animal welfare is also the sort of person who is predisposed to anxiety/depressive symptoms.
But then I take it that if it had said that veggies tended to be happier, it wouldn't have had any bearing on your choices in future? Why should it.
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