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Post by Martin on Oct 11, 2017 12:15:55 GMT
BMW have taken to hiding the light switch behind the steering wheel and I'm guessing quite a few owners have never really looked at it, save to locate it for when it gets dark. When they give you the car it's set to Auto and I've never touched the switch. I got caught out on Friday evening as the dealer had switched the lights off, presumably so they weren't on in the workshop. It was only as far as the end of the drive though, even though I'm used to not having to switch them in, I was in a brightly lit street with an instrument panel that's always lit, it was obvious they weren't on. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 14:13:40 GMT
Pretty sure my dials are only illuminated on auto or dipped positions. Which is how every car should be.
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Post by Martin on Oct 13, 2017 14:35:36 GMT
I have the full black panel, so without illumination I wouldn't see a thing. The dials turn orange when it gets dark, but that's based on the light inside the car rather than whether or not the lights are on. Which is how it should be!
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 13, 2017 15:30:55 GMT
Pretty sure my dials are only illuminated on auto or dipped positions. Which is how every car should be. .. unless you have fancy dials. Both the Fords have backlit (electroluminescent?) dials so they're lit to some degree all the time that the ignition is on. A simple green warning lamp shows when the sidelights are on, no distinction for headlamps... but I have auto-lights switched off as I prefer to switch the lights myself and also the lights would be off-on-off repeatedly going under a succession of bridges in a few places on my commute. The Captur has blank dials that have to be illuminated to see, different system from the Fords I think, but same principal, and same warning lamp for sidelights being on.... trouble is that unlike the Fords, when you turn the sidelamps on in the Captur the DRL's go out whereas on the Fords, they dim |
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Post by Alex on Oct 16, 2017 21:08:29 GMT
Special Edition Jeep Renegade in Autocar, on your fucking bike... FYP |
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Post by Martin on Oct 19, 2017 19:04:51 GMT
This is a ‘how much?’ in a positive way. It’s a lot of well equipped 12 months old luxury saloon for £37k. Jaguar XJ |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 19, 2017 19:16:28 GMT
This is a ‘how much?’ in a positive way. It’s a lot of well equipped 12 months old luxury saloon for £37k. Jaguar XJThat is lovely. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 20, 2017 8:35:58 GMT
+1
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Post by Nelson on Oct 20, 2017 22:03:37 GMT
This is a ‘how much?’ in a positive way. It’s a lot of well equipped 12 months old luxury saloon for £37k. Jaguar XJThat is lovely. Someone knew exactly what they were doing when speccing that. Tremendous |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 23, 2017 12:00:30 GMT
That XJ is lovely. Good colour.
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Post by Tim on Oct 23, 2017 13:03:42 GMT
Nice. Does it really have a light on the brake pedal  ? |
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Post by Andy C on Dec 16, 2017 11:04:31 GMT
How much ?!?!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 14:42:50 GMT
I'd be rolling my eyes at 5k miles, but at 60? Maybe I'll hang on to my car forever. Some sap will clearly remortgage for it in my dotage...
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 16, 2017 20:24:18 GMT
I wonder how much an original Focus Zetec is worth, if in not-quite-new condition  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 20:31:52 GMT
I saw an Orion yesterday. That must be worth about 20 grand or so. Shouldn't it?
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 19, 2017 10:17:46 GMT
More interesting than a £100k 911 so why not. What are 190 Evo 2's £250k plus or an Evo Sport M3 150k plus.
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Post by Tim on Dec 19, 2017 11:33:37 GMT
More interesting than a £100k 911 so why not. What are 190 Evo 2's £250k plus or an Evo Sport M3 150k plus.
Badge snobbery applies to classics as well as new stuff but you're right. I don't remember the 190 ever being as successful as the Sierra.
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Post by Blarno on Dec 19, 2017 11:58:37 GMT
I love Cossies, but never £100k love them. It's an old car that's been pampered and relatively unused, which means it'll rattle, smell, be significantly slower than most tepid modern stuff and have shit brakes.
Value and worth are being confused there.
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Post by Tim on Dec 19, 2017 12:13:11 GMT
It's an investment product, that's all.
Compare it with buying £100k worth of diamonds, gold, shares or a house.
Which will be worth more in 2 years time?
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Post by Blarno on Dec 19, 2017 13:12:49 GMT
I find it sad that cars like that have become investments. It takes them away from genuine enthusiasts and drivers and the escalated prices are just pure fantasy. 15 years ago, that would have been a £10k car.
25 years ago it would have been found on a sinkhole estate, minus wheels and rear wing. Possibly on fire.
I'd love another 205 GTi in my lifetime, but investors and barn-find economics have taken a massive dump on that.
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Post by michael on Dec 19, 2017 13:23:58 GMT
I'd love another 205 GTi in my lifetime So would a lot of people which is why the prices have gone up and investors are getting involved. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 19, 2017 13:53:41 GMT
I'd love another 205 GTi in my lifetime So would a lot of people which is why the prices have gone up and investors are getting involved. Yes, but very likely not to drive, which is many people's bugbear. Mine included. |
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Post by michael on Dec 19, 2017 13:59:34 GMT
It's the enthusiast that determine the existence of the market, supply and demand controls the price.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 14:25:21 GMT
Where bubbles are involved, greed and the amazing human ability to live in the recent past are the biggest drivers.
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Post by Tim on Dec 19, 2017 14:36:47 GMT
I find it sad that cars like that have become investments. It takes them away from genuine enthusiasts and drivers and the escalated prices are just pure fantasy. 15 years ago, that would have been a £10k car. 25 years ago it would have been found on a sinkhole estate, minus wheels and rear wing. Possibly on fire. I'd love another 205 GTi in my lifetime, but investors and barn-find economics have taken a massive dump on that.
I think the boggo Cossie is still fairly accessible so that will cover the requirement of those who want to drive rather than polish/protect.
The standard Merc 190 Cossie is cheap, it's the one in limited numbers that's expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 21:49:41 GMT
I find it sad that cars like that have become investments. It takes them away from genuine enthusiasts and drivers and the escalated prices are just pure fantasy. 15 years ago, that would have been a £10k car. 25 years ago it would have been found on a sinkhole estate, minus wheels and rear wing. Possibly on fire. I'd love another 205 GTi in my lifetime, but investors and barn-find economics have taken a massive dump on that.
I think the boggo Cossie is still fairly accessible so that will cover the requirement of those who want to drive rather than polish/protect.
The standard Merc 190 Cossie is cheap, it's the one in limited numbers that's expensive.
Tim is correct - you can still buy a very nice 2wd Sapphire ( ask on a Ford forum and they will generally confirm that was the best 'driving/handling' Cosworth even if it didn't have the racetrack 'Wow' factor for looks ) for 15k, also the Merc. The M3 will cost you double but they're all basically 3 box saloons. A good friend has a 2.5-16 190 and we both bought them when they were 4-5k cars. We both use and enjoy them still....rather like the people who drive cheaper 996s at 15k rather than look at 1/4 million pound 130bhp 911 Sportomatics in their heated garage. Sport EVOs fetch 150k and Merc EVO 2s fetch over 200k on occasion so no surprise to me that a clean RS500 might be pitched at 6 figures but people will have generally made their minds up without driving any i doubt I would sell mine unless I was forced to even if it was worth much more - I know people don't set much store by journalists' opinions and ATEOTD "it's just a Ford" ....but from a driving perspective they won a lot of group tests and accolades when they were new. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 21, 2017 22:12:47 GMT
I think the boggo Cossie is still fairly accessible so that will cover the requirement of those who want to drive rather than polish/protect.
The standard Merc 190 Cossie is cheap, it's the one in limited numbers that's expensive.
Tim is correct - you can still buy a very nice 2wd Sapphire ( ask on a Ford forum and they will generally confirm that was the best 'driving/handling' Cosworth even if it didn't have the racetrack 'Wow' factor for looks ) for 15k, also the Merc. The M3 will cost you double but they're all basically 3 box saloons. A good friend has a 2.5-16 190 and we both bought them when they were 4-5k cars. We both use and enjoy them still....rather like the people who drive cheaper 996s at 15k rather than look at 1/4 million pound 130bhp 911 Sportomatics in their heated garage. Sport EVOs fetch 150k and Merc EVO 2s fetch over 200k on occasion so no surprise to me that a clean RS500 might be pitched at 6 figures but people will have generally made their minds up without driving any i doubt I would sell mine unless I was forced to even if it was worth much more - I know people don't set much store by journalists' opinions and ATEOTD "it's just a Ford" ....but from a driving perspective they won a lot of group tests and accolades when they were new. Funnily enough, the Sapphire was always my favourite Sierra shape. Had a ride in a Police Sapphire Cosworth over the Mountain on the IoM once (nothing naughty on my part!); quite a blast, even at a time I used to ride over it on my ZX6R at least 4 times a day! The driver that day was the same guy who blew the engine on that same car about 2 weeks later transporting a transplant organ (can't remember what exactly) from one of the hospitals to the other - a distance of about 15 miles IIRC. The car last 8 .. .. .. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 22:42:46 GMT
Tim is correct - you can still buy a very nice 2wd Sapphire ( ask on a Ford forum and they will generally confirm that was the best 'driving/handling' Cosworth even if it didn't have the racetrack 'Wow' factor for looks ) for 15k, also the Merc. The M3 will cost you double but they're all basically 3 box saloons. A good friend has a 2.5-16 190 and we both bought them when they were 4-5k cars. We both use and enjoy them still....rather like the people who drive cheaper 996s at 15k rather than look at 1/4 million pound 130bhp 911 Sportomatics in their heated garage. Sport EVOs fetch 150k and Merc EVO 2s fetch over 200k on occasion so no surprise to me that a clean RS500 might be pitched at 6 figures but people will have generally made their minds up without driving any i doubt I would sell mine unless I was forced to even if it was worth much more - I know people don't set much store by journalists' opinions and ATEOTD "it's just a Ford" ....but from a driving perspective they won a lot of group tests and accolades when they were new. Funnily enough, the Sapphire was always my favourite Sierra shape. Had a ride in a Police Sapphire Cosworth over the Mountain on the IoM once (nothing naughty on my part!); quite a blast, even at a time I used to ride over it on my ZX6R at least 4 times a day! The driver that day was the same guy who blew the engine on that same car about 2 weeks later transporting a transplant organ (can't remember what exactly) from one of the hospitals to the other - a distance of about 15 miles IIRC. The car last 8 .. .. .. Hard to say what might have caused it...missed downshift maybe? A standard engine is pretty reliable despite what internet experts might say - they had to pass standard Ford durability tests and police useability trials. They could consume oil when driven hard just like a V8 M5, RX8 or Alfa Twin Spark......the problem being is they only hold around 3.5 litres so often the level wouldn't be checked on new cars till too late. They still managed to win races like the Willhire 24 hours in the 80s where they driven continuously hard at racetrack speeds for a solid day. Also remember that Cosworth had to 'detune' them to around 205bhp in 2wd form at Ford's request ( Ford only wanted 180bhp for the road cars as the product liability people were very wary of unleashing a common or garden family saloon on to Joe Public with Porsche/Ferrari performance but Cosworth couldn't get the power figures that low without compromising driveability). Cosworth's initial engine offering to Ford put out around 265/270bhp, at which level they were extremely quick for an 80s saloon. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 21, 2017 22:51:59 GMT
Funnily enough, the Sapphire was always my favourite Sierra shape. Had a ride in a Police Sapphire Cosworth over the Mountain on the IoM once (nothing naughty on my part!); quite a blast, even at a time I used to ride over it on my ZX6R at least 4 times a day! The driver that day was the same guy who blew the engine on that same car about 2 weeks later transporting a transplant organ (can't remember what exactly) from one of the hospitals to the other - a distance of about 15 miles IIRC. The car last 8 .. .. .. Hard to say what might have caused it...missed downshift maybe? A standard engine is pretty reliable despite what internet experts might say - they had to pass standard Ford durability tests and police useability trials. They could consume oil when driven hard just like a V8 M5, RX8 or Alfa Twin Spark......the problem being is they only hold around 3.5 litres so often the level wouldn't be checked on new cars till too late. They still managed to win races like the Willhire 24 hours in the 80s where they driven continuously hard at racetrack speeds for a solid day. Also remember that Cosworth had to 'detune' them to around 205bhp in 2wd form at Ford's request ( Ford only wanted 180bhp for the road cars as the product liability people were very wary of unleashing a common or garden family saloon on to Joe Public with Porsche/Ferrari performance but Cosworth couldn't get the power figures that low without compromising driveability). Cosworth's initial engine offering to Ford put out around 265/270bhp, at which level they were extremely quick for an 80s saloon. I only heard it was the same officer many weeks later, after my case and involvement with him was ended, or I might have asked! I think I'm right in my recollection that the car had about 30-40,000 miles on it even then, and being a traffic car on the IoM plus having been through at least 3 TT's, it would've had a pretty hard life I imagine! I did hear they'd sourced another engine from somewhere, so it wasn't off the road for long. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 8:29:26 GMT
Bess is now insured/rated at £9k so has moved on a bit since purchase in 1988 for £500. Not being a highly sought after motor does not bother me and nor does the valuation but there is a subtle appreciation for some older motors.
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