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Post by Alex on Nov 19, 2024 23:02:49 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 7:13:51 GMT
Remarkably generic and unimaginative.
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Post by johnc on Nov 20, 2024 8:15:59 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 20, 2024 11:27:03 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way. No doubt we will be priced off the road, another nail in the freedom coffin of course. Now the last time I saw the the PM's cavalcade in London, there must have been 3 unmarked Full Fat Rangies, Supported by 4 Marked Police Cars of various SUV material and 4 or 6 Bike Outriders. So clearly a case of do as I say not as I do. Twunts. As for Jag, have we not had the spy shots of a very large saloon doing the rounds in the last few days. Hopefully it will be an epic looking thing but why a massive saloon at probably 100K plus. Do they not know that even Porsche are struggling in this market. Would an E or F-Pace replacement not have been the most important vehicle to go for a re-launch with.
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Post by alf on Nov 20, 2024 11:38:20 GMT
It's all quite worrying if you care for Jaguar's future. I saw the spy shots as well - if it really is another >£100k massive EV saloon, who wants it? People want massive SUV's (because they are dickheads admittedly). Even more so they want smaller SUV's and crossover type things (reasons unknown since they handle like shite and have no more space inside than a normal hatch). A sort of electric E-Pace would seem logical. If they hadn't messed up their own naming conventions, they could even have called it.... E-Pace.
In an era of expensive credit, expensive electricity, and a cost of living crisis, who is buying >£100k EV cars. In volume? And what will the retained value on this be? 50% after 2 years if they are lucky? Say it's £120k and loses half of that in 2 years. Do the maths on the monthlies, adding in interest. And tax, And public charging that's no cheaper than petrol. How big is that market exactly?
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 20, 2024 12:11:08 GMT
Sorry, I thought this was a p take but have been over to Pistonheads and see this is the re-brand. They look exceptionally desperate to leave behind the whiff of old Jag. Looks more like a Prada ad. Anyway the new logo also sucks. Don't know how much they paid some marketing agency to come up with jaGuar.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 12:25:00 GMT
Don't forget that, when we've all gone electric, the Government will be able to disable all cars at the flick of a central switch, or geofence them to prescribed areas. Sounds paranoid but remarkably handy if/when there's another pandemic or social unrest.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2024 12:28:42 GMT
That is utter crap.
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Post by Alex on Nov 20, 2024 15:18:36 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way. The latter seems an utterly believable direction of travel from Chairman Starmer. Sadly the fact that the car that Jaguar plans to put to market is the ever popular and sought after luxury saloon, I fear your first point may not come to pass. They were ahead of the curve when the iPace came out and it feels like they've utterly squandered a great opportunity to develop a market leading product line.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2024 16:06:16 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way. The latter seems an utterly believable direction of travel from Chairman Starmer. Sadly the fact that the car that Jaguar plans to put to market is the ever popular and sought after luxury saloon, I fear your first point may not come to pass. They were ahead of the curve when the iPace came out and it feels like they've utterly squandered a great opportunity to develop a market leading product line. Is that not simply because ALL the focus has been on Land Rover for profitability reasons? Realistically Jaguar's traditional niche has pretty much dissolved - nobody wants saloons (or estates) anymore and RR are renowned for SUVs. I don't think Jaguar have a place now apart from competing in-house.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
The latter seems an utterly believable direction of travel from Chairman Starmer. Sadly the fact that the car that Jaguar plans to put to market is the ever popular and sought after luxury saloon, I fear your first point may not come to pass. They were ahead of the curve when the iPace came out and it feels like they've utterly squandered a great opportunity to develop a market leading product line. Is that not simply because ALL the focus has been on Land Rover for profitability reasons? Realistically Jaguar's traditional niche has pretty much dissolved - nobody wants saloons (or estates) anymore and RR are renowned for SUVs. I don't think Jaguar have a place now apart from competing in-house. I think JLR are aiming to position Jaguar alongside Bentley and Rolls Royce. Both of those manufacturers have moved into the luxury SUV market, while still building luxury sedans. Range Rover have positioned the full fat RR to compete with these new entrants to their market segment and want to take the fight to Rolls and Bentley in their traditional market segment. I don't think the Range Rover brand is the one to do that, hence the use of Jaguar and the huge jump in price. I expect low volumes and high profit margins. Let's face it if jaguar only sold one car and made a profit on it that would surpass their financial performance over the last 20 years.
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Post by PG on Nov 22, 2024 10:53:02 GMT
I'd watched the advert and read about the re-brand and like others thought "WTAF?". Yesterday I saw a really nice Mk 2 XF estate on the road and said to myself that just sums up Jag's issue. They made some decent cars, but with too much internal competition with Land Rover, not enough people buying the cars, as said above their classic market space withering, and always it seemed having to fight LR for development funds, they really have been left out in the cold. A bit like SAAB maybe - they made some great cars over the years but latterly never enough to be really economically viable.
So much as the Porsche SUV's allow the 911 to live on, perhaps this way at least the Land Rover volume can allow a few expensive Jags to get built. Let's hope a few people decide to buy them as that way, maybe in time, other less expensive ones can be built again too.
But by fuck that re-branding and advert are terrible.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 22, 2024 11:25:21 GMT
TATA don't care about Jaguar Heritage at all. The dealership that used to supply all the Royal Jags (RA Creamer) was unceremoniously dumped a few years back (I am acquainted with the former dealer P who is the grandson of Towns). We can assume they don't care about who like Jabs in the past and why - they want sales of shiny-shiny to people that buy shiny-shiny without caring about anything other than shiny-shiny.
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Post by PG on Nov 25, 2024 7:58:33 GMT
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Post by johnc on Nov 25, 2024 8:54:29 GMT
TATA is perhaps a very apt phrase for what will happen to Jaguar.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 25, 2024 9:33:41 GMT
I guess we have to wait for the product launch.
jaGuar have clearly decided that they don't want to sell cars to white haired blokes in elbow patched jackets and I guess the old cad image of a Terry Thomas lookalike shouting "ding dong" to the girls as he drives by in his XK also doesn't sell in todays market.
Seems foolhardy to throw your heritage in the bin. A few years ago they were peddling this ad
Much more my style and what I guess more aspiring purchases would resonate with rather then copying a Prada handbag advert.
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Post by Alex on Nov 25, 2024 10:14:01 GMT
Maybe the problem was that old white haired blokes weren't actually buying Jaguars anymore because they wanted SUVs instead. Jaguar then gave them Jag shaped SUVs and they didn't buy those either so this approach of designing and making something completely different to try and find someone else to sell cars to is kind of a last resort.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 25, 2024 20:11:37 GMT
Whatever else, that ad certainly got Jaguar a lot of headlines.
The ad is one thing. The rebranded logo etc seems more worrisome.
The actual car itself might look great. Then again I am not holding my breath if that teaser shot is anything to go by - it appeared to have been styled after an industrial air-conditioning unit.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 25, 2024 20:38:41 GMT
Grace, Space, Pace to Woke, Smoke, Broke
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Post by PG on Nov 26, 2024 10:00:55 GMT
Whatever else, that ad certainly got Jaguar a lot of headlines. The ad is one thing. The rebranded logo etc seems more worrisome. The actual car itself might look great. Then again I am not holding my breath if that teaser shot is anything to go by - it appeared to have been styled after an industrial air-conditioning unit. Yes that does seem to have divided opinion in marketing circles. On the one hand, until last week very few people even knew that Jaguar was re-branding and launching an EV. And outside the motoring press not many people would have been waiting to see what the car looked like. Now the whole world knows about the re-brand and that the concept car is launched on 2nd December. On the other hand, they really have pissed an awful lot of people off. Based on the spy shots, I fear the car itself my be "different" rather than "beautiful".
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Post by PG on Nov 30, 2024 20:22:17 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 2, 2024 21:18:51 GMT
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Post by PG on Dec 2, 2024 22:03:06 GMT
Side profile is OK, although I don't think it says "Jaguar". But the front and rear are a different matter.
I'm hoping that as it is a concept, by the time the cartoon wheel arches and wheels, overly-low stance, extreme front and rear, and funny interior are toned down, plus the roof line becomes more realistic it might took a lot better.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 2, 2024 22:15:30 GMT
When you have to come up with a car design quick but you’ve left your French curves on the bus.
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Post by Alex on Dec 2, 2024 23:29:42 GMT
Rumours have it that a very posh lady has just ordered hers...
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Post by PG on Dec 3, 2024 7:37:43 GMT
I just watched the launch video. If you can get past (or skip) the first 4 minutes of utter marketing shyte, the cars look slightly better in the metal. Maybe like Bangle era BMW's they will turn out to be growers that divide opinion greatly (instead of being growlers...). www.jaguar.co.uk/copy-nothing/jaguar-type-00.htmlAutocar had this picture of the three car line up. If the second one has a boot big enough to get a few paintings in, or a few bags of booty (or a body), it might re-create the Mk X Jag image as the wheels for gangsters?
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Post by johnc on Dec 3, 2024 8:41:12 GMT
With prices starting at £120K I think their market might be pretty small
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 3, 2024 9:25:28 GMT
I'm so confused, whats with the concept. Just show us the actual cars you'll be able to go out and buy.
The new two J logo looks terrible doesn't it. Looks like some poor Chinese effort from here.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 3, 2024 9:56:21 GMT
Someone spent a full half hour rendering that, probably as a knee jerk reaction to their media piece.
“OMG. They hate the ad. Draw a car quick so we can remind them we’re in the automotive industry.”
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Post by alf on Dec 3, 2024 10:22:41 GMT
When you have to come up with a car design quick but you’ve left your French curves on the bus. Generally, with BEV's - why have they mostly left curves behind, and gone with a design primary school kids could make from cereal packets? The Hitler Rants video is genius..... again!
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