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Post by johnc on Sept 15, 2023 16:27:48 GMT
Do you know the wheel number?
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2023 19:52:37 GMT
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Post by Martin on Sept 16, 2023 13:40:15 GMT
I agree they do look good (especially compared to the new model) and some well priced ones out there also. But, as has been established already, I’m an odd so and so and they don’t appeal that much despite being in the right affordability range. Regards the new model - I see the market has really started to fall on these with models under £60k which is not much less than a CS version of the older model. Even the much wanted estate has dropped massively it seems and I’d expect that to continue. I received an offer recently for a new (in stock) M4 with £17K off list. It was still c£80K and way too much in my opinion. The old ones were c£75K fully loaded and you could get a discount off that. The used market is showing BMW what people think about their pricing and to some degree, what they think about the way it looks. As a driving machine though it is superb. Yes, still too much as it will be a £60k car in 12 months! That’s close to £1,700 a month depreciation. Although you can use that to help justify a 992  |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 17, 2023 16:54:11 GMT
If you’ve never driven a BMW with the B58 engine, I urge you to do so. It’s epic. Sounds good (better than the M3/4), goes hard and is almost astonishing in how frugal it is on a run.
One of my mother’s neighbours has treated himself to a new M240i (the current model but before they inflicted the widescreen Tv dashboard) off the back of years admiring the look and sound of my 440i, and he loves it. Again, although I had told him, he says he is still regularly astonished by how economical it is.
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Post by alf on Sept 18, 2023 9:50:10 GMT
That M3 does look lovely! I had that down as a possible next car, though M3 and M4 owning friends tend to remark about a dozen times on each short journey in the XFR, how confortable and supple it is, and given decent ride quality in my daily driver is a must, I suspect I'd have issues. Its not possible anyway, unless I go back to one car - and I like the Porsche, it really picks me up mentally driving it. With car values where they are, and inflation on everything (except my pay) I need to be more careful with my daily. Two cars on £690 a year tax is no fun for a start. racingteatray I was watching some videos on BMW engines, including some strip-down videos from the US, the B58 is a great engine and seems to have righted the (fairly minor) issues of the previous ones, while being more flexible at low revs. I would hope it doesn't feel too turbocharged - after all my 2007 330i had 272 horses from 3 litres naturally aspirated! 322 is not pushing the boat out with a blower, 10 years later. My 330 was ludicrously economical for what it was, in an estate as well, I saw >40MPG on some runs. The latest XE V6S's being 380 bhp are tempting, I have to say. I'm not ususally one for modifying cars but a stock B58 might see some attention if I get one... Hence my preference for pre-GPF, though beggars can't be choosers. Have any of you BMW spotters heard a pre and post GPF version of the B58? Thoughts? |
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Post by clunes on Sept 18, 2023 14:45:45 GMT
That M3 does look lovely! I had that down as a possible next car, though M3 and M4 owning friends tend to remark about a dozen times on each short journey in the XFR, how confortable and supple it is, and given decent ride quality in my daily driver is a must, I suspect I'd have issues. Its not possible anyway, unless I go back to one car - and I like the Porsche, it really picks me up mentally driving it. With car values where they are, and inflation on everything (except my pay) I need to be more careful with my daily. Two cars on £690 a year tax is no fun for a start. racingteatray I was watching some videos on BMW engines, including some strip-down videos from the US, the B58 is a great engine and seems to have righted the (fairly minor) issues of the previous ones, while being more flexible at low revs. I would hope it doesn't feel too turbocharged - after all my 2007 330i had 272 horses from 3 litres naturally aspirated! 322 is not pushing the boat out with a blower, 10 years later. My 330 was ludicrously economical for what it was, in an estate as well, I saw >40MPG on some runs. The latest XE V6S's being 380 bhp are tempting, I have to say. I'm not ususally one for modifying cars but a stock B58 might see some attention if I get one... Hence my preference for pre-GPF, though beggars can't be choosers. Have any of you BMW spotters heard a pre and post GPF version of the B58? Thoughts? I've not heard them side by side but there are plenty of videos on YouTube of various options - from stock to MPPSK and lots in between. The M Performance exhaust sounds much louder and you get the power upgrade also - which Racing will attest makes a noticeable difference. (random clip from google:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOlO_TY_2s) I notice that BMW dealers often seem to have differing deals on the kit as well - at full retail it's a lot! I would expect you'd find the stock performance decent though - most reviews I read comparing BMW stock (around 320 horses) to the Jag (340 or 380) rate the BMW as a the better engine with minimal lag as far as turbo's go - but there are lots of B58's out there running a LOT more power and done properly I think it can be fairly trouble free. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 20, 2023 5:52:12 GMT
I received an offer recently for a new (in stock) M4 with £17K off list. It was still c£80K and way too much in my opinion. The old ones were c£75K fully loaded and you could get a discount off that. The used market is showing BMW what people think about their pricing and to some degree, what they think about the way it looks. As a driving machine though it is superb. Yes, still too much as it will be a £60k car in 12 months! That’s close to £1,700 a month depreciation. Although you can use that to help justify a 992 Make that £60k in 6 months! Good spec with the right packs, std seats and no carbon winglets, just missing Full Merino. www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309131930107?atmobcid=soc3 |
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Post by Tim on Sept 20, 2023 8:21:17 GMT
Yes, still too much as it will be a £60k car in 12 months! That’s close to £1,700 a month depreciation. Although you can use that to help justify a 992 Make that £60k in 6 months! Good spec with the right packs, std seats and no carbon winglets, just missing Full Merino. www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309131930107?atmobcid=soc3An M4 drove past me in town yesterday and looking at it in the rear view mirror the back end of it looked huge - high, wide and low. It looked much heavier visually than my car. It may not have helped its case by being in primer grey. I'll need to park beside one at some point to compare. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 20, 2023 9:57:26 GMT
Gosh, that makes an M2 look a lot of money. Whats wrong with it?
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Post by Martin on Sept 20, 2023 10:08:59 GMT
Gosh, that makes an M2 look a lot of money. Whats wrong with it? Only thing I can see is it had a late running in servicing, I guess it depends on how late that was and how it was treated. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 20, 2023 10:11:09 GMT
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Post by johnc on Sept 20, 2023 10:14:44 GMT
Gosh, that makes an M2 look a lot of money. Whats wrong with it? It had it's initial running in service late. Apart from that, nothing looks wrong although I wondered if there was a hint of a front end respray. Whoever it was that decided on the UK pricing for BMW over the past few years just didn't understand the market. Expensive BMWs have always depreciated a lot: increase their list prices by another 30+% and they depreciate an awful lot. There are plenty of people who lust after an M car but few are stupid or super wealthy. £100K for a car that will suffer depreciation of c£40K in the first year is lunacy. Those that have the money will buy something else and those who were getting themselves in a lot of debt previously are much more likely to wait it out or look elsewhere. I think the new M2s will be worth £50K as soon as they are driven out the showroom. |
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Post by Tim on Sept 20, 2023 10:15:49 GMT
Gosh, that makes an M2 look a lot of money. Whats wrong with it? Errrr, just look at it?  There's not even any respite on the inside due to the shit dials That Alfa just needs the silver wheels. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 20, 2023 10:27:28 GMT
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Post by Sav on Oct 7, 2023 10:51:54 GMT
Despite the way that they both respectively look, I would have the G80/G82 over the old M3/M4. Principally for the S58 over the S55. The former appears to be more reliable, I prefer the fact that it has a mechanical water pump v an electrical one (BMW sort of quietly admitted they made a mistake with that), and it sounds better too. More like a rasping six with the right mods, as opposed to the S55 which just sounded like a prolonged fart.
Same thing with the B58 v the older N55 - mechanical water pump v electric. The same engine of course that’s in the Supra, Morgan Pus Six and the Ineos Grenadier. I hope the B58/S58 both live for a good while yet.
The more I see of the new M2, the more I like it (yes, I know). The problem the M2 has is that various low-mileage M3 and M4’s can be had for less. Albeit older, but barley used – like the M4 that Martin posted. There was a sub-60K M2 advertised recently and the advert got pulled very quickly. It’s almost like that is the sort of price that people are prepared to pay for it. Several M2’s have had their prices reduced in recent weeks. For what it is, I think that the M2 is okay value as new. There isn't much else like it now, a slightly de-tuned S58 would be fine by me. Especially because the UK does not get the standard M4, only Competition-upwards - the price gap between the M2 and M4 is even more exaggerated compared to other markets.
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