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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2017 15:01:15 GMT
Hoping those from here working in the locality are ok (PhilD?).
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Post by LandieMark on Mar 22, 2017 15:09:46 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 22, 2017 15:24:10 GMT
We're cracking jokes and drinking tea like proper British should.
I can speed like a maniac on the way home: entire Met is on the bridge by the look of it!
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 22, 2017 15:42:03 GMT
I laughed too soon: I am locked in the buildings like every other twat  |
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Post by Ben on Mar 22, 2017 15:49:09 GMT
Damn, that's scary. Hope everyone's alright.
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Post by LandieMark on Mar 22, 2017 15:50:53 GMT
I laughed too soon: I am locked in the buildings like every other twat Watching the news at the moment. You may be there a while. |
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 22, 2017 15:54:51 GMT
Nothing is happening: we're all watching BBC news feed. Our wi-fi is smouldering
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Post by LandieMark on Mar 22, 2017 16:02:55 GMT
I don't think the BBC's wifi is doing any better judging by the picture quality.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 22, 2017 16:05:01 GMT
It'll be the religion of peace again, I presume.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 22, 2017 16:09:29 GMT
Nigel Farage is my bet: only way he'll get into parliament
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2017 16:11:08 GMT
Can imagine. I happened to be on a conference call with Whitehall at the time and it was rather a surprise when the team there suddenly interrupted the call to ask the person speaking to repeat themselves because "there's been a shooting outside and we couldn't hear you over the security announcements"…talk about classic British sangfroid.
This habit of using vehicles to mow down pedestrians is a terrible new trend.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 22, 2017 16:22:53 GMT
I was one of the owners of the company that made and installed the black barriers around Parliament and Westminster Bridge, as well as all the barriers disguised to look like ordinary walls on The Mall. They'll comfortably stop a 7.5 tonne truck but there's a limit on how far you can extend them to protect pedestrians on adjacent pavements.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 22, 2017 16:53:28 GMT
One of our team stressed because she's off to the Opera and it's Wagner so starts early because its several hours long (like I said: Wagner) ! she'll miss the first knees-up.
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Post by Nelson on Mar 22, 2017 17:45:51 GMT
Dreadful
Thoughts and prayers to the families of those who have sadly died and to those who have been injured and the brave Police Officers keeping those close safe
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:07:23 GMT
Hoping those from here working in the locality are ok (PhilD?). Yes thank you for thinking of me. There is a very strange atmosphere here. We can see the helicopters and flashing blue lights out of the windows, and watching the news can see the bodies which in reality are a stones throw away, yet we feel safe and are mostly (once we made sure everyone was accounted for) thinking about how to get home. |
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Post by Alex on Mar 22, 2017 18:14:24 GMT
This is truly shocking but I guess not surprising that London has been attacked, albeit in a rather crude fashion. Hope everyone working in the city has been unaffected (other than annoyingly being invacuated)
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Post by johnc on Mar 22, 2017 20:03:25 GMT
So sorry for all the innocent people just going about their lawful business. How do you stop theses lunatics?
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Post by Andy C on Mar 22, 2017 20:39:09 GMT
Shocking . My kid bro works close to there now and again when he's not in Birmingham . 2 of his colleagues were locked in earlier
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Post by bryan on Mar 23, 2017 7:55:14 GMT
Shocking events and glad that everyone who works in the area is OK, I was in London on Tuesday and there seemed to be more security around than normal eg sniffer dogs on the concourse at St Pancras
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 23, 2017 9:16:50 GMT
Its very frustrating that nothing can be done about these sorts of attacks. It seems that anyone can carry out this sort of terrorism at any time with zero planning due to the instruments used, in this case a car and a knife.
The fact that this took place in what must be an area with the highest police presents in the country probably kept the number of deaths down. If you look at the carnage that could take place in other areas where there are no armed police, a local high street on any given Saturday, the outcome doesn't bare thinking about.
Is it time we armed more police?
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Post by michael on Mar 23, 2017 9:28:57 GMT
I don't think arming the police would have made much difference as he'd already driven into pedestrians. As Bob points out there is a lot of discreet security these days and we're better at this sort of thing than most.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 11:11:37 GMT
I don't think arming the police would have made much difference as he'd already driven into pedestrians. As Bob points out there is a lot of discreet security these days and we're better at this sort of thing than most. Yes, it was interesting that plain clothes officers did the shooting I think. So they are all around but you'd not know. |
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Post by johnc on Mar 23, 2017 11:18:44 GMT
They will need to put bollards down the middle of pavements in exposed areas to stop this kind of attack again - they will need to be far enough in from the road to allow a stranded vehicle to be pushed half on to the pavement but leave enough space on the far side for pedestrians to be shielded.
Someone somewhere would have known what this guy was thinking and why - they should get the same prison sentence as the perpetrator would have got had he survived. The communities in which these people live, need to waken up and start handing them in. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 12:19:27 GMT
They will need to put bollards down the middle of pavements in exposed areas to stop this kind of attack again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 12:28:37 GMT
Not much they can do with street furniture but as the big house was not penetrated they will have little incentive anyway.
I noticed the suggestion that the families of officers killed while on duty have a charity to assist and that the public can donate to this, they should not NEED to rely on a charity. The state should do the right thing and help out. Possibly not a PC thing to say but the financial benefits that used to be awarded to Police officers are now gone.
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Post by michael on Mar 23, 2017 12:29:46 GMT
Most large areas where people gather are already bollarded off one way or another. The large ARSENAL lettering at the Emirates ground, for example, was put in place as a defense measure first and foremost. There will be countless other examples but the fact is not everywhere can be protected from every eventuality.
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Post by johnc on Mar 23, 2017 13:12:52 GMT
The state should do the right thing and help out. Possibly not a PC thing to say but the financial benefits that used to be awarded to Police officers are now gone. His widow should get a full Police pension at the amount her husband would have got had he remained in the Police until normal retirement age. Is that not what a civilised democracy would expect? |
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Post by johnc on Mar 23, 2017 13:22:33 GMT
They will need to put bollards down the middle of pavements in exposed areas to stop this kind of attack again
That's completely impractical in practise John! I don't think it is Phil. The likes of Westminster bridge with a wide pavement is a specific risk which other pavements on normal streets are not. It would be relatively easy to put up bollards which would stop a car being able to speed along this type of pavement. Someone who is sufficiently demented would still be able to take out a person or even a few but the bollards would stop them being able to run down the pavement at 50mph causing carnage. 3 or 4 bollards every 50 yds, in a line and angled at 45% to the road, running from the outside of the bridge to the road (in the same direction as the traffic moves) would severely hinder any copy cat attempt. |
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 23, 2017 13:37:09 GMT
His widow should get a full Police pension at the amount her husband would have got had he remained in the Police until normal retirement age. Is that not what a civilised democracy would expect? +1 On a slightly different note, over the past year or so, there have been 2 incidents in Guildford where a lone car mounted the pavement and mowed down pedestrians, injuring several each time - not sure if any deaths took place. Both appear to have been accidents with no "terrorism motive". Quite how you stop a car from being driven onto a pavement and mutilating numerous people in one go, I don't know. It's highly impratical to build strong barriers alongside the edge of every road. |
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Post by johnc on Mar 23, 2017 13:47:07 GMT
Please excuse the quick drawing but I don't see that bollards for specific exposed areas like Westminster Bridge are a problem.
Something like this would surely stop the "pinball" lunatics.  |
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