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Post by woofwoof on Mar 30, 2023 10:25:47 GMT
Another alternative if it's on your driveway is to got one of those fold down bollards installed to prevent the car being driven away (or you could use the Getz to block it in if you dont mind shuffling the cars about when you have to go out). TBH, parking the Getz behind it is probably the single biggest deterrent as it adds to the buggeration factor. The steering wheel disc thing is probably the next best. Don't bother with the handbrake to gearstick thing - I had one and, as has been pointed out, it takes seconds to remove them (that's even assuming the Evoque has a handbrake lever, which I doubt.) On one of my cars I had a bracket, bolted to the transmission tunnel and a hefty shackle that locked the gear lever into reverse. Can't remember which car now but it'd be no good for an auto. The RR doesn't have a handbrake and the gear shift is the Tardis like pop up and down type. I'll probably order one of those wheel encompassing locks sometime today. They have them on Amazon so if I'm not impressed when it arrives it can go straight back. I just need to measure the RR's wheel and make sure I get the right size.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 30, 2023 18:35:19 GMT
I've just ordered a Disklok and it's due tomorrow (Friday 31st) so I'll report back when I get my hands on it.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 30, 2023 22:03:03 GMT
My mate had an old Montego that kept getting stolen in Newcastle and driven down the coast so he bought a Disklok. It kind of worked as they stole the Disklok and left the car.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 6:40:47 GMT
Like the fuel in my dads A40, probably more value in the disklock than the car.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 31, 2023 9:57:41 GMT
My mate had an old Montego that kept getting stolen in Newcastle and driven down the coast so he bought a Disklok. It kind of worked as they stole the Disklok and left the car. hehehe. In their defence... I loved my Montego, well, my company Montego. I loved it because when I got in it it started and it never boke down. It got hammered and it only ever had three faults, a faulty wiper motor and it once conked in the rain but started a few minutes later and never did it again and on the day it was collected to go back the drivers window fell into the door. Compared to the previous years of absolute hell I'd had with Sierra's and hateful dealers that Montego was just heaven. Everyone I worked with took the P out of it but in time as their Fords and Vauxhalls disintegrated they had to eat their words. I only got it out of desperation but it was easily the best company car I ever had and I suppose considering the mileage and the abuse it got the best car I've ever had. The Sierra it replaced was a disgrace, it's no lie to say that I never had a problem free week, it was always either in a dealership or booked in. I swore I'd never willingly drive another Ford and I haven't to this day
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 31, 2023 13:05:49 GMT
Well well well.
My Disklok arrived, £140 from Amazon and it looks unfortunately to be utter sh!te at least on the Evoque as I found that the internet was right and once this is fitted to the car all I had to do was reach around and place my fingers inside the clamp and the car can then be steered with no problem that I can see... I'm just amazed that this got the good review that it did as to me it looks completely ineffective and no bar at all to driving the car away although the thief is then left with the problem of removing it.
What a disappointment. So I'm off to Amazon to organise a return.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 14:42:19 GMT
I have had this joy for two days now, good luck to you.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 31, 2023 14:44:20 GMT
I have had this joy for two days now, good luck to you. I don't think there's anything on the mainstream market. I thought I'd spotted something that might be worth researching more but one click brought up the negative comments I was expecting. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 14:46:16 GMT
Sorry, I was on about hamazon returns.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 31, 2023 14:50:34 GMT
Sorry, I was on about hamazon returns. Ah. No problem for me and this one can be dropped off at a post office. I've had problems in the past with ones that had to be dropped off for collection by a courier as I've gone to the drop off place and been told "No, we haven't accepted those for years..." and had to go to multiple places before I found one that would accept it also one place refused to give me a receipt or to hand the item back. Thankfully the post office drop off seems to be the most common option now or maybe I've just been lucky. I am a bit shocked at how poor these steering lock things are. How hard can it be to make a decent one...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 14:57:40 GMT
At the end of the day, appearance is a lot of deterrence, a quick look and either go for it or move one. Probably why your neighbour got done.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 31, 2023 15:00:05 GMT
At the end of the day, appearance is a lot of deterrence, a quick look and either go for it or move one. Probably why your neighbour got done. You might be right but I can't see anyone who's come across one of these before being all that deterred by it and for £140 it seems too much when a cardboard one might do the visual deterrent thing just as well.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 31, 2023 19:08:40 GMT
I had one of those Stoplock steering wheel lock things many years ago when I had the 820. When I was going to leave my car at Heathrow last year I dug it out of the garage and tried to use it but all the plastic at one end disintegrated on touch so it went into the bin. I therefore can't recommend Stoplock. Halfords seem to do a 1 or 2 bar version of a steering wheel lock but I'm not convinced that an application of force would just bend it and a thief would be able to slip it off the wheel easily. Still, it would serve as a deterrent for an opportunist thief
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Post by LandieMark on Mar 31, 2023 21:35:45 GMT
At the end of the day, appearance is a lot of deterrence, a quick look and either go for it or move one. Probably why your neighbour got done. You might be right but I can't see anyone who's come across one of these before being all that deterred by it and for £140 it seems too much when a cardboard one might do the visual deterrent thing just as well. Worked on the Defender absolutely fine. You would have had to try very hard to steer as the lock gripped the (albeit plastic) wheel quite tightly. There was also very little room between the wheel and the dash which would help as well.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 1, 2023 9:31:08 GMT
You might be right but I can't see anyone who's come across one of these before being all that deterred by it and for £140 it seems too much when a cardboard one might do the visual deterrent thing just as well. Worked on the Defender absolutely fine. You would have had to try very hard to steer as the lock gripped the (albeit plastic) wheel quite tightly. There was also very little room between the wheel and the dash which would help as well. It gripped the wheel tightly? How did it spin then? All I can say is that for the Evoque it didn't impress me. It'd be easy to improve the thing by extending the casing at the back beyond finger length but even then there's the issue of marking the wheel. I think a two ring design with an inner ring with plastic or something wheel friendly contacting the wheel and remaining stationary with roller bearings on the side or outer edge to allow the main section to spin and with extended casing at the back would be much better and at £140 that should be possible and still allow a big mark up. IMO. The fact that the makers are aware of the possibility of steering by fingers and have done sweet FA to improve the product is disappointing.
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Post by bryan on Apr 1, 2023 9:41:09 GMT
But it would be very difficult to steer by fingers if the steering lock is engaged and hard to break the steering lock without the keys if the disk lock is on?
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Post by LandieMark on Apr 1, 2023 11:48:15 GMT
Worked on the Defender absolutely fine. You would have had to try very hard to steer as the lock gripped the (albeit plastic) wheel quite tightly. There was also very little room between the wheel and the dash which would help as well. It gripped the wheel tightly? How did it spin then? All I can say is that for the Evoque it didn't impress me. It'd be easy to improve the thing by extending the casing at the back beyond finger length but even then there's the issue of marking the wheel. I think a two ring design with an inner ring with plastic or something wheel friendly contacting the wheel and remaining stationary with roller bearings on the side or outer edge to allow the main section to spin and with extended casing at the back would be much better and at £140 that should be possible and still allow a big mark up. IMO. The fact that the makers are aware of the possibility of steering by fingers and have done sweet FA to improve the product is disappointing. By grip tightly, I mean there was no way you could get fingers in to turn the wheel. The lock could rotate on the wheel, but not by much due to bar sticking out if it. Absolutely no room in a Defender to steer with it attached. None of these devices are supposed to be infallible, they are just there to make your vehicle harder to steal than the next one. I also used a pedal lock, alarm and had two trackers, but was under no illusion that if someone wanted it they would probably take it - I was just making it as difficult as possible.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 1, 2023 20:19:53 GMT
I don't expect infallibility as given enough time even I or any decent problem solver can probably get passed just about anything and I do realise that a proficient car thief rather than a yob out for a joyride will be able to bypass them a lot quicker. All I expect is something which would cost enough time to be a significant enough deterrent to put a car thief off and make them move on to the next victim and I really don't see this latest gadget as the answer given the cost to uselessness ratio my mind has already applied to it as anyone with access to Google could see the same posts I did and just decided to give it a go.
I've only bought three physical anti car theft devices in my life but it just so happens that they've all spectacularly failed to defeat me and that just isn't good enough and even though the Disklok may be a visual deterrent to some I'm left with the problem of it marking the wheel. Is it worth a shredded wheel for the visual deterrent? At the mo I think not.
I think I'll have to settle for a tracker and something else physical if I can find something and parking the Getz behind it which is what I always do anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 21:20:22 GMT
Two guys walking through the Canadian mountains go to a river for water to fill their canteens. A bear walks into the clearing and the first guy say's, "How are we going to outrun a Bear"> Seond guy say#s. "Easy, I only have to outrun you". A simple view obviously but apart form exotics I reckon it works.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 2, 2023 11:59:46 GMT
Two guys walking through the Canadian mountains go to a river for water to fill their canteens. A bear walks into the clearing and the first guy say's, "How are we going to outrun a Bear"> Seond guy say#s. "Easy, I only have to outrun you". A simple view obviously but apart form exotics I reckon it works. I have mixed thoughts at the moment. If the Disklok hadn't marked the steering wheel I might well have kept it for the visual deterrent value but at the mo I think it's just a non starter as IMO it wont stop the car from being driven away if someone wants to try and it marks the wheel and even with careful use I'm going to want a new steering wheel at some point if I persist with it or I'll have to fit wheel cover before fitting the Disklok. That is one possibility if it'll protect the wheel and still allow the lock to spin. There is a part of me that gets irate with things that don't work as they should and maybe I was too quick to write this off as a half arsed wheel damaging piece of ineffective crap on the RR Evoque at least although I appreciate it may be more effective and less damaging when used on other cars. On cars with a thin hard and smooth steering wheel it could be less damaging and more effective especially if the owner doesn't care if it does get scuffed. I'll have a think and I might buy something but it probably won't be another one of these or anything similar like the much cheaper X Lock. I might well get a tracker too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 13:26:22 GMT
What are the wheel clamp types like? Might be a more visual deterrent.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 2, 2023 14:55:35 GMT
What are the wheel clamp types like? Might be a more visual deterrent. Yes. These have been on my mind. They could be an alternative way to go or indeed a conventional bar through the steering wheel device and a wheel clamp for double deterrent. Plus the tracker. Having said all this vandalism might be the bigger worry. My Elan SE, Boxster, SLK and Jag S were all vandalised. Thanks all for your help and it has been a help.
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 2, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
^ See my post of 28 March. I concur that the risk of vandalism must also be real. If I were to win the lottery etc, I wouldn't ever spend "a lot" of money on a car for the reason that it may get stolen/vandalised. I'm not happy with the overall crime position in the UK, nor the way that the Police (don't) investigate or follow up. No point in having something "decent" because of the risk of theft.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 2, 2023 22:02:01 GMT
^ See my post of 28 March. I concur that the risk of vandalism must also be real. If I were to win the lottery etc, I wouldn't ever spend "a lot" of money on a car for the reason that it may get stolen/vandalised. I'm not happy with the overall crime position in the UK, nor the way that the Police (don't) investigate or follow up. No point in having something "decent" because of the risk of theft. The chain? What would I fasten it to? I suppose I could get a bracket welded somewhere. I think the biggest risk of theft is at home as the car isn't out and about at night time and only for short periods during the day as caring duties mean that I/we can't get out much so it gets parked in car parks and public places for just a couple of hours or so mostly. I have thought about getting the garage enlarged but that'd mean selling the MX5 as that couldn't really stand outside. When I first decided to retire one thought was to buy something really special and at the time I spotted something but I can't even remember what it was now, some British two seat supercar thing, anyway it was £70k and I decided I'd never need more car than that so £70k became the budget then the Jag F Type came out and I dropped the £70k to whatever that cost at the time and then I never bought anything. Other things and just life in general got in the way I suppose. I travelled, met someone, met someone else and then I met the then future Mrs WW so the whole once in a lifetime car thing just drifted away. When I stopped working I had the MX5 and the Getz and I've still got them and I never did buy that dream car. I have thought about buying a new 4x4 of some sort but I don't know if I will, maybe I'll stick to used cars although I do keep promising myself one more new car before I have to give it all up. I've been into cars since I was a very little kid. I'd go anywhere to be in a car or even a bus and I'd watch the driver and dream so it has been a massive love and a massive part of my life and luckily for my bank balance I seem to have mostly spent my time in relatively cheap two seat soft tops. They have been the love of my life but these days I seem happy in the Evoque or even the Gets or when in the MX5 I seem happy to be going slow in it. Getting old I suppose Vandalism and theft are worries and maybe I'll never get that dream car now but I'm not really ready to give up the nice car idea as it has been such a big part of my life. Maybe I should be happy with what I have or replacements of about the same cost and keep my fingers crossed that they don't get stollen or vandalised.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 3, 2023 7:44:59 GMT
What are the wheel clamp types like? Might be a more visual deterrent. Yes. These have been on my mind. They could be an alternative way to go or indeed a conventional bar through the steering wheel device and a wheel clamp for double deterrent. Plus the tracker. Having said all this vandalism might be the bigger worry. My Elan SE, Boxster, SLK and Jag S were all vandalised. Thanks all for your help and it has been a help. Wow, that's really unlucky. I've never had a car vandalised (or stolen for that matter) and I can't think of anyone who has. Of course I have now put the hex on myself and I'll come back to my car and find the lights kicked in. I've got some sympathy for the police, they are short on numbers and spread very thinly. There's little they can do with a case of vandalism, these things are random and the culprit long gone by the time they're notified.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 3, 2023 10:01:37 GMT
Yes. These have been on my mind. They could be an alternative way to go or indeed a conventional bar through the steering wheel device and a wheel clamp for double deterrent. Plus the tracker. Having said all this vandalism might be the bigger worry. My Elan SE, Boxster, SLK and Jag S were all vandalised. Thanks all for your help and it has been a help. Wow, that's really unlucky. I've never had a car vandalised (or stolen for that matter) and I can't think of anyone who has. Of course I have now put the hex on myself and I'll come back to my car and find the lights kicked in. I've got some sympathy for the police, they are short on numbers and spread very thinly. There's little they can do with a case of vandalism, these things are random and the culprit long gone by the time they're notified. Off the top of my head. The first time I was a victim of car crime was in Leeds when I was 21. I got up one morning to find the boot and doors of my Mini unlocked and the tool box I'd made when I was an apprentice and all its contents were gone as was my car hi fi, except for the speakers as they were bolted in so they just stuck their fingers through the speakers. That took a lot to get over as in those days I had the car and other than that I had next to nothing. My mam and dad used to buy me a tool a week, maybe a screwdriver or something when they went into town and I had to rebuild from there. The only car that's ever been stolen was a company Sierra so that was no great hardship but other than that someone slashed my Elan SE roof and another time the paint was scratched, SLK rear wing was kicked in, Boxster roof was slashed and front wing kicked in and the Jag S bonnet badge was stolen and the bonnet gouged and the alloys gouged with symbols or initials or something. I think the alloy gouging was a woman at work as I once caught her sat between cars in the car park and looking very shifty but as I couldn't prove anything I kept my mouth shut and that was that. Why she would do it I don't know as I wasn't her manager and had nothing to do with her except the odd chat in the canteen or workplace as you do and I was never anything but pleasant. But, these things happen I suppose. The worst vandalism I've seen wasn't on one of my cars, a friend split with his GF and she took a bat and something sharp to his Fiat Coupe and I don't think she missed a panel.
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Post by PG on Apr 4, 2023 15:46:35 GMT
My experience of car theft and damage has been periodic. I had a Fords Cortina that was stolen twice (the second time with a steering wheel lock and secondary door lock being overcome) and "broken into" a couple of times too. Well I say "broken", pre secondary door lock, they just opened the door lock with a screwdriver as you could on Mk II Cortina's. And then nothing until the driver's window was smashed and the stereo ripped out of my first Range Rover. Since then we've been lucky and not had an incident.
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Post by woofwoof on Apr 5, 2023 16:50:50 GMT
The RR is going in for its intermittent and as far as I can see water related (it only does it when wet) restricted performance issue on 12th and after that I'll probably look into a list of things...
A tracker. Some sort of physical deterrent. Parking cameras. Dashcam.
All this is assuming I can find someone interested in doing the work as I've already rang a few places only to be told they're too busy or not interested.
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 22, 2023 19:58:12 GMT
This popped up on my "suggestions" this morning:
SPOILER: Even the steering wheel disc things are pretty useless
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 23, 2023 9:09:30 GMT
All measures are defeatable - it’s all about making yours more difficult than the one next to it.
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