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Mar 10, 2023 19:46:15 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 10, 2023 19:46:15 GMT
Too big a topic for On the Telly.
Should the independent-contract presenters on the BBC be forced to toe the line in their private lives?
If the Conservatives had simply not mentioned it would it simply have blown over as personal opinion voiced in a free society?
Has the power of footballists gone too far? or has it ever been underestimated by the politically minded?
Is MOTD fucked? If so is the loss of such a huge institution enough to bring down the government?
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Mar 10, 2023 19:56:15 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 19:56:15 GMT
There needs to be a clear line of what the rules are so that he and the BBC can decide if they can work together. Most industries impose conditions that high profile colleagues don’t wade into controversy and the BBC is no different. He was in breach of their guidelines. As for what he said, I think it was idiotic.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 10, 2023 20:00:12 GMT
These days it seems more-and-more that your employer can dictate quite a lot of what you do/say in your "private life". This is often written into your contract of employment.
Whether or not that is right or wrong, I don't know, but in the past I have worked somewhere that fired one of our staff because of things he posted on social media.
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 20:02:32 GMT
Apparently the fuss that has been kicked up could help legitimise his defence of the £5million tax bill HMRC are trying to impose on him.
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Mar 10, 2023 20:10:58 GMT
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Post by Alex on Mar 10, 2023 20:10:58 GMT
These days it seems more-and-more that your employer can dictate quite a lot of what you do/say in your "private life". This is often written into your contract of employment. Whether or not that is right or wrong, I don't know, but in the past I have worked somewhere that fired one of our staff because of things he posted on social media. Possibly but I imagine most of what I post on here won't bring my employer into disrepute but if I was working for a high profile public body that was criticised for how big a salary they give me for a few hours work on a Saturday I'd probably avoid voicing controversial (and in this case deeply offensive to a lot of people) opinions on twitter!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 20:29:18 GMT
There is a bleep bleep cee where GL is saying that "If I have a 1% doubt about a tweet I won't send it".
He knows his influence value and the effect of his words. Unlikely they will can him, he will just bugger off and get MORE dosh somewhere else he is too marketable a character so the bleep bleep cee "Talking to him" is a toothless gesture which will hurt them more.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 10, 2023 20:35:14 GMT
Apparently the fuss that has been kicked up could help legitimise his defence of the £5million tax bill HMRC are trying to impose on him. It's hard to take his constant virtue signalling seriously when you know he's avoided paying as much tax as he perhaps should have paid for years.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 10, 2023 20:50:36 GMT
There needs to be a clear line of what the rules are so that he and the BBC can decide if they can work together. Most industries impose conditions that high profile colleagues don’t wade into controversy and the BBC is no different. He was in breach of their guidelines. As for what he said, I think it was idiotic. I actually think that the fuss created since what he said enforces his point perfectly. Our government is an embarrassment and needs to get in the bin ASAP. I write this as a lifelong Conservative voter. It's over. Go, and go quickly.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 10, 2023 21:06:32 GMT
He shouldn’t go because of what he tweeted, he should have gone years ago because he’s a crap pundit.
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Mar 10, 2023 21:20:20 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 21:20:20 GMT
He shouldn’t go because of what he tweeted, he should have gone years ago because he’s a crap pundit. I couldn’t really give a toss as I never watch it but I do think so long as the BBC is publicly funded it should do more to bring in new talent. It’s the same with much of their programming, diversity of opinion could also be an ambition.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 10, 2023 21:26:42 GMT
There needs to be a clear line of what the rules are so that he and the BBC can decide if they can work together. Most industries impose conditions that high profile colleagues don’t wade into controversy and the BBC is no different. He was in breach of their guidelines. As for what he said, I think it was idiotic. I actually think that the fuss created since what he said enforces his point perfectly. Our government is an embarrassment and needs to get in the bin ASAP. I write this as a lifelong Conservative voter. It's over. Go, and go quickly. They're a disgrace but look at what will almost certainly replace them. I watched an interview with Angela Rayner recently and My God, the thought that she could be at the heart of a new govt... I can't vote for people of that quality and sorry to single her out as she's not the only one and far from it. I saw a survey somewhere recently which said that 60 odd % of people asked would like to see a new political party. I can believe that and I'd add that I don't want many of the current crop in it. I don't know who I'll vote for. Our local Con seems to be at least trying on local issues so I might vote for him and on the whole I do believe it's better to vote than not if only to keep the worst choice out. That's at least something.
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Mar 10, 2023 21:32:37 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 10, 2023 21:32:37 GMT
I am wondering whether to run as some sort of truth & decency independent candidate at the next election. Our MP is Nadhim Zahawi, so it should be an easy battle to win, even in a previously cast iron safe Tory seat as this.
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Mar 10, 2023 21:35:39 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 21:35:39 GMT
I am wondering whether to run as some sort of truth & decency independent candidate at the next election. Our MP is Nadhim Zahawi, so it should be an easy battle to win, even in a previously cast iron safe Tory seat as this. The truth doesn’t go down very well.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 10, 2023 21:41:26 GMT
I am wondering whether to run as some sort of truth & decency independent candidate at the next election. Our MP is Nadhim Zahawi, so it should be an easy battle to win, even in a previously cast iron safe Tory seat as this. The truth doesn’t go down very well. I think everyone is so totally done with being lied to that they might just be prepared to give it a try. Or any alternative. Do not underestimate the visceral hatred felt towards this government by previously loyal Conservative voters.
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 21:50:06 GMT
The visceral hatred you speak of is true of some but not for all. I think most would agree they’re useless but it’s about voting for who is least useless at the moment. I think the country is generally doomed and on a path of decline, a truth people don’t want to hear.
Here’s some truth questions to reflect on:
1. What is a woman? 1.1 who should have access to single sex spaces? 2 Is net zero achievable? 2.1 how are we going to generate the power we need? 3 Does illegal immigration need to be stopped? 3.1 at what figure is immigration to high? 4 the uk is over a million short on homes, equally divided that’s roughly 1,600 per constituency, where will you build them in yours? 5 does the NHS need money or reform? 5.1 how much more money does it need?
Simple questions that most politicians can’t answer.
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Mar 10, 2023 21:59:16 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 10, 2023 21:59:16 GMT
They’re good questions but make the common mistake that the electorate think candidates are standing on issues that they want to implement for the betterment of society. The candidates are standing on issues that will continue or start their term in office so the “difficult” ones go into the last red box.
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Mar 10, 2023 22:10:24 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 22:10:24 GMT
Usually I’d agree, but every one of those is going to be an issue in the next term. The world is becoming an increasingly dangerous place and we’re so ill prepared for it that it’s going to affect everyone. One thing the conservatives have got right, that isn’t sufficiently well appreciated in the main, is Ukraine. We’ve been working to support the Ukraine since Putin invaded Crimea and we should be damned grateful Labour were nowhere near power for that time.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 10, 2023 22:34:05 GMT
We could just give up and let the WEF decide our future. That seems to be the way it's going if we believe some commentators.
I honestly these days think I'm ok and me and Mrs WW can always flit to Thailand so let the great British public vote for whichever awful bunch they want and they can live with the consequences.
Or as my dad always said "We need a revolution."
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Mar 10, 2023 22:37:52 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 10, 2023 22:37:52 GMT
They are going to be issues, indeed they are now. But which candidates or parties are going to lay out a plan of action that addresses them head on? To do so will almost be electoral suicide because change or resolution in those areas are so unpalatable (or unobtainable in the case of net zero) to so many.
The Ukraine issue is, in the public eye, no different to the stance taken by many other Western and Central European countries so shouting about it as if it were a Westminster led issue would be destroyed in the media.
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Post by woofwoof on Mar 10, 2023 22:41:27 GMT
The visceral hatred you speak of is true of some but not for all. I think most would agree they’re useless but it’s about voting for who is least useless at the moment. I think the country is generally doomed and on a path of decline, a truth people don’t want to hear. I'm sure I said back on the old forum after coming back from Kazakhstan that there's a shift going on and as a part of it living standards in the UK and wider west are going to have to fall. The various fiddles, confidence tricks and ponzi schemes can only work for so long before something real has to change. I don't believe that complete collapse or anything like it has to be the case but I do believe that our current ruling class have no answers other than to carry on with the schemes, kick the can down the road and hope nothing too seismic happens during their time at the helm.
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Mar 10, 2023 22:43:47 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 10, 2023 22:43:47 GMT
They are going to be issues, indeed they are now. But which candidates or parties are going to lay out a plan of action that addresses them head on? To do so will almost be electoral suicide because change or resolution in those areas are so unpalatable (or unobtainable in the case of net zero) to so many. The Ukraine issue is, in the public eye, no different to the stance taken by many other Western and Central European countries so shouting about it as if it were a Westminster led issue would be destroyed in the media. I respectfully disagree. It’s now electoral suicide to ignore these issues. Housing costs and energy costs are throttling the economy and changing voter dynamics to such an extent they need addressing now. Tackling migration is a legitimate voter concern whilst women’s rights issues have probably set the SNP back at least five years. As for Ukraine, public perception vs reality are two very different things. The UK led while most EU countries (excluding most of Eastern European countries) turned a blind eye.
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Mar 10, 2023 23:55:08 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 10, 2023 23:55:08 GMT
1. What is a woman? - whatever the answer media loving MPs will be hard pushed to make a definitive statement on this. 1.1 who should have access to single sex spaces? 2 Is net zero achievable? admitting this is not possible without significant societal changes which will occur in the UK whilst other countries do not make those changes is not going to appear in any manifesto. To demonstrate this fear the BBC has pulled an Attenborough documentary for fear of upsetting the sensibilities of viewers that don't want to be reminded that changes are required, who are very likely voters of some kind. 2.1 how are we going to generate the power we need? 3 Does illegal immigration need to be stopped?This is partially achievable by the introduction of compulsory ID to gain access to the employment and benefit markets. Didn’t go well last time but the infrastructure and roll-out plan is still in place 3.1 at what figure is immigration to high? No one can produce a figure when immigration fills roles that the local population will not fill even when there are no immigrants or any other opportunities. Which results in a huge degradation of the social security offering to make the local population fill roles they wouldn’t do otherwise. Not really going to appear in a manifesto. 4 the uk is over a million short on homes, equally divided that’s roughly 1,600 per constituency, where will you build them in yours? This is a largely rural or dormitory suburb concern. The constituency we live in and the neighbouring ones have smashed that figure several times over in my lifetime. Given the voting demographic of rural and dormitory suburbs one side won’t force this argument for fear of alienating its existing voters and the other won’t as it seeks to swing their vote. 5 does the NHS need money or reform? Reform is seen as evil theft and money is more tax. One side is already a pariah and the other has to be very wary of putting realities in its manifesto because its existing voter base will crucify them. 5.1 how much more money does it need?
I still can’t see these issues being addressed head on by politicians of the current ilk. It would be suicide to ignore them, yes, but to actually make detailed statements of intent and action plans would also be.
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Post by chipbutty on Mar 11, 2023 10:48:53 GMT
If the UK is short of a million homes, where are the people who don’t have those homes living now ?
Currently my mum is still waiting for a hip replacement operation and is in so much pain that she is on a revolving cycle of powerful pain killers whilst remaining barely mobile. If we can’t look after the people who already live here, why on earth would we make the problem worse by adding more dependents to any already “ stretched past the point of acceptability “ public services network ?
Ol’ jug ears needs to STFU and pay his taxes, I seem to recall his name was mentioned in the paradise papers leak a while back, so he has form for looking to minimise his tax burden whilst continually twating on about nasty tories. Where does he think all the money comes from to fund everything ?
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Mar 11, 2023 11:29:01 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 11, 2023 11:29:01 GMT
If the UK is short of a million homes, where are the people who don’t have those homes living now ? In homes of multiple occupancy, temporary accommodation and, in most cases, with their parents.
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Mar 11, 2023 11:43:33 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 11, 2023 11:43:33 GMT
To demonstrate this fear the BBC has pulled an Attenborough documentary for fear of upsetting the sensibilities of viewers that don't want to be reminded that changes are required, who are very likely voters of some kind. [/i] [/quote] The BBC press office have put out a statement to say this isn’t true. The rest proves my point, the truth doesn’t go down well with the electorate.
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Mar 11, 2023 11:46:51 GMT
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Post by Alex on Mar 11, 2023 11:46:51 GMT
If the UK is short of a million homes, where are the people who don’t have those homes living now ? In homes of multiple occupancy, temporary accommodation and, in most cases, with their parents. The larger problem is that we cannot build those million homes. We don't have the labour force for a start and regardless of the argument about house prices being too high, one factor preventing them reducing is that the cost of building new homes is rocketing due to lack of supply of labour and materials not to mention the regulations surrounding how you build new homes to ensure they are green (and it of course won't be long before they can no longer install gas boilers in them). Then of course you have utilities and local amenities. Around our way the number of new homes going up with little improvement to schooling and medical provision has put massive strain on local services. We also dont have enough power for these homes. A number of areas of West London have had to shelve house building plans as the recent construction of several large data centres has taken up all the availability of the power network in that area. More capacity can be added of course but that takes time and, again, the cost has increased significantly due to material and labour. This then feeds into a lack of availability of family homes as those who no longer need them struggle to find houses with more living space and less bedrooms and if they do move end up with a big stamp duty bill. Between them my wife's parents and grandmother and my parents and grandmother have 12 spare bedrooms. I don't begrudge them this of course and my parents get to have the luxury of a guest bedroom, sewing room and model railway room to enjoy but it does leave a big family home out of a market that is crying out for them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 12:06:31 GMT
Brown field sites are (Almost) everywhere, they need cleaning up and using. Builders have not wanted to know for a long time and homes for the less well off is the real shortage. Joined up thinking has been wanting for a long time but no chance of that.
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Mar 11, 2023 13:03:24 GMT
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Post by Alex on Mar 11, 2023 13:03:24 GMT
Its the cost of clearing the brownfield sites which causes them to be ignored. Given that profits to be made from building and selling houses are being squeezed, adding in the cost of clearing old industrial pollutants or several tons of buried asbestos before you even start doesn't make for an attractive site.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 13:41:00 GMT
Which is why joined up thinking and government cooperation is important but, just chucking the problem down the road will continue to hurt us all and be part of the problem. We need a solution.
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Mar 11, 2023 14:02:22 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 11, 2023 14:02:22 GMT
Its the cost of clearing the brownfield sites which causes them to be ignored. Given that profits to be made from building and selling houses are being squeezed, adding in the cost of clearing old industrial pollutants or several tons of buried asbestos before you even start doesn't make for an attractive site. We’ve been building too few homes for half a century, it’s not a new problem. I have a friend who works for a large house builder. When a house cost £250k it cost 50k to build. The issue is regulation. It’s so expensive to get a development through that only those with deep pockets can undertake the investment. You’re correct to point out the further expense added by net zero, an agenda the head of NATO has said is funded by Russia and likely China too. They’ve already won.
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