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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 13, 2023 11:55:44 GMT
So these UFOs the US keeps shooting down; they're clearly not Chinese and are probably some sort of advance reconnaissance unit of an alien lifeform from another Galaxy (probably far, far, away). They will obviously have far superior technology to our own and will be pretty pissed off by now.
So my question is; when the mother ships do get here and we're all subjugated do we try and fight back, Independence Day style, or do we acquiesce and become some sort of Vichy State on the outskirts of their Galaxy (that's assuming they're not coming here to demolish us to make way for an interspace by-pass)?
I think this could potentially be very positive, with their superior technology they'll be able to sort out the whole climate change issue and ICE cars may be safe for the foreseeable future. They could even appoint Boris into some sort of Marshall Petain role.
Vive La Resistance! (or possibly not).
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Post by michael on Feb 13, 2023 12:00:31 GMT
I do wonder if studying the US response, and how they’re disabled, is the issue here. I’m not sure what a balloon achieves that a satellite wouldn’t.
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Post by johnc on Feb 13, 2023 12:38:51 GMT
If Bob's theory is correct then we have some big questions to answer in the near future.
However on the assumption that these objects are Chinese or even Russian, how did they get where they did?
The prevailing Atlantic winds are from the East to the West so how did these balloons get in to a position to travel across the US from the East to the West? Were they released from a submarine off the coast of USA or were they just launched from China and allowed to float around the world for ages? I wondered if it might have been possible to shoot holes in the balloon thereby causing it to descend at a slower speed and making recovery and analysis a bit easier but I suppose we are just going to have to wait for the US to piece together the bits they can find and then (maybe) make that information known publicly.
Because of two (or three if you count Kim) nut jobs the world is now a much less safe place to be.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 13, 2023 12:40:48 GMT
Balloons can dwell over an area for a much longer time, and study in more detail than a satellite, which passes over in a matter of minutes. You don't need to keep re-tasking dozens of satellites to pass over the same area over and over again. But enough about balloons, what about these UFOs?
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Post by michael on Feb 13, 2023 12:48:55 GMT
Balloons can dwell over an area for a much longer time, and study in more detail than a satellite, which passes over in a matter of minutes. You don't need to keep re-tasking dozens of satellites to pass over the same area over and over again. But enough about balloons, what about these UFOs? That’s incorrect. Satellites can be stationed over a position and moved. On Johns point about prevailing winds, they will be at an altitude to take advantage of the jet stream. The Japanese used the same approach to deliver bombs by balloon during ww2. I believe they killed one. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 13, 2023 12:49:01 GMT
China claims there are Western balloons over its territory too.
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Post by johnc on Feb 13, 2023 13:00:59 GMT
China claims there are Western balloons over its territory too. And therein lies the problem. The intelligence agencies of all countries will tell whatever lies they need to tell to convince their audience that they had nothing to do with it or it was just a measured response to similar action carried out by "the other side". We will probably never discover the whole truth. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 13, 2023 13:01:55 GMT
Balloons can dwell over an area for a much longer time, and study in more detail than a satellite, which passes over in a matter of minutes. You don't need to keep re-tasking dozens of satellites to pass over the same area over and over again. But enough about balloons, what about these UFOs? That’s incorrect. Satellites can be stationed over a position and moved. On Johns point about prevailing winds, they will be at an altitude to take advantage of the jet stream. The Japanese used the same approach to deliver bombs by balloon during ww2. I believe they killed one. You're thinking of geostationary satellites which have very low inclinations and therefore orbit over the equator. They can be used for spying as they "see" a large area but not to the detail you get by tasking a low orbit satellite to pass over an area to be surveyed. They'd be particularly ineffective in the areas closest to the poles - Alaska and Canada for example, where these two UFOs were downed. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpySatellitesThe last line explains why a balloon, travelling in the grey area between high altitude and space can come into its own. it also perhaps explains why the US has described the most recent UFOs as appearing to be small capsules suspended on wires that then travel back up through the clouds to the balloon. |
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Post by michael on Feb 13, 2023 13:08:23 GMT
That’s incorrect. Satellites can be stationed over a position and moved. On Johns point about prevailing winds, they will be at an altitude to take advantage of the jet stream. The Japanese used the same approach to deliver bombs by balloon during ww2. I believe they killed one. You're thinking of geostationary satellites which have very low inclinations and therefore orbit over the equator. They can be used for spying as they "see" a large area but not to the detail you get by tasking a low orbit satellite to pass over an area to be surveyed. They'd be particularly ineffective in the areas closest to the poles - Alaska and Canada for example, where these two UFOs were downed. No, I’m thinking of equipment similar to X-37B which can be launched and perform the function of a satellite. The idea that a balloon can be controlled to a specific location is pretty far fetched when technology that can be controlled is much more discreet. I think it’s far more likely to be observing defensive approaches. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 13, 2023 13:12:56 GMT
You're thinking of geostationary satellites which have very low inclinations and therefore orbit over the equator. They can be used for spying as they "see" a large area but not to the detail you get by tasking a low orbit satellite to pass over an area to be surveyed. They'd be particularly ineffective in the areas closest to the poles - Alaska and Canada for example, where these two UFOs were downed. No, I’m thinking of equipment similar to X-37B which can be launched and perform the function of a satellite. The idea that a balloon can be controlled to a specific location is pretty far fetched when technology that can be controlled is much more discreet. I think it’s far more likely to be observing defensive approaches. German Zeppelins didn't seem to have any problems over 100 years ago. |
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 13, 2023 13:49:18 GMT
This is clearly an alien invasion, likely resulting in a zombie war. I’m betting several small-town Americans are being probed as I type and will tonight be wondering the streets looking for brains to eat.
I once let a helium-filled Peppa Pig balloon go by accident. I hope I haven’t instigated a war as it roams the stratosphere un-bound.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 13:54:41 GMT
On the topic of genuine UFO's of extra terrestrial origin, perhaps we should all seek political assylum and demand intergalactic aid, free medical care and the occasional two week stay at the hot springs on Vulcan or Cardassia prime. All in of course.
By the time they sort the paperwork out we will rule the galaxy. Badly of course, as that's our way but we will rule.
I say, Klingon slave, fetch me another Rakde Gino. Pronto.
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Post by michael on Feb 13, 2023 14:04:30 GMT
Are there people out there thinking this is aliens?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 13, 2023 14:20:42 GMT
Are there people out there thinking this is aliens? Senior US Military apparently: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64620064We could be thankful for Covid19 after all - I bet these aliens haven't been vaccinated. The flu did for the last lot in Victorian times. |
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Post by franki68 on Feb 13, 2023 15:18:07 GMT
bit hazy but as a student after a few nights where I drank excessively I well may have had sex with some UFOs (ugly fucking ogres)
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 13, 2023 18:29:27 GMT
bit hazy but as a student after a few nights where I drank excessively I well may have had sex with some UFOs (ugly fucking ogres) Were you probed?😀 |
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 13, 2023 21:48:07 GMT
Are there people out there thinking this is aliens?  |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 13, 2023 23:55:16 GMT
It’s the “strings attached” bit that gets me…
Very Dr Who props department…
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 14, 2023 6:51:39 GMT
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
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Post by johnc on Feb 14, 2023 8:18:39 GMT
It’s the “strings attached” bit that gets me… Very Dr Who props department… Were the strings the bits that attached the octagonal object to the balloon which the missile vaporised? The immediate publicity on all of this feels very strange. |
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 14, 2023 8:20:08 GMT
It’s the “strings attached” bit that gets me… Very Dr Who props department… I just had to check on Google that Gerry Anderson was actually deceased. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 14, 2023 8:45:13 GMT
It’s the “strings attached” bit that gets me… Very Dr Who props department… Were the strings the bits that attached the octagonal object to the balloon which the missile vaporised? The immediate publicity on all of this feels very strange. As I understand it the surveillance equipment is suspended by thin wires in a small gondola that has a virtually zero radar cross section, making it difficult to pick up. The supporting balloon flies at a much higher altitude, higher than military jets normally do, but not in space. Apparently it's in a grey area that doesn't normally get monitored so if we're not looking there they don't get seen. Now we're wise to it we're picking up all the others. I know, I still think it's the start of an alien invasion too. |
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Post by alf on Feb 14, 2023 9:52:34 GMT
Many questions around all of this, so very interesting for anyone interested in defence and international relations.
It's a clever idea and I'd love to know if the US does indeed also do this (the Chinese saying they do being 100% meaningless on a factual level). The US used aircraft - initially high-flying U2's then super fast SR71's (still one of the most beautiful aircraft ever made) specifically to overfly other countries territory, then transitioned to satellites. Satellites are incredibly costly to launch. I had no idea balloons could potentially be this hard to detect. Also it intrigues me how the US is stating with clarity how many times this happened previously, yet at the time they could not detect it. Are they re-analysing old, stored radar data? That would be a lot of data. Or looking at satellite photos? Again a lot of data and work.
I suspect much of what is being shot down now is just debris or weather related, and as Racing says it's very hard to know if we'll ever get to find out anything useful.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 14, 2023 13:38:26 GMT
These gondolas……. do they house gondoliers from another world?  |
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Post by woofwoof on Feb 14, 2023 17:07:08 GMT
I once let a helium-filled Peppa Pig balloon go by accident. I hope I haven’t instigated a war as it roams the stratosphere un-bound. It could happen. Remember the Nena song, 99 Red Balloons? Maybe that song foretold the future... The first thing I wondered was why do the Chinese need spy balloons? Haven't they long since penetrated (er, maybe the wrong word to use here...) just about every university, institution and political party in the west? Aren't I the only one who hasn't slept with a Chinese spy? Unless you guys haven't either. On the alien invasion lunacy. One conspiracy theory with apparently some slight credulity behind it is that one tactic the desperate for world dominance elite might consider is a fake alien attack. Apparently it would be used as an excuse to implement lockdowns and all manor freedom restrictions on us plebs. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 14, 2023 18:11:38 GMT
I once let a helium-filled Peppa Pig balloon go by accident. I hope I haven’t instigated a war as it roams the stratosphere un-bound. It could happen. Remember the Nena song, 99 Red Balloons? Maybe that song foretold the future... The first thing I wondered was why do the Chinese need spy balloons? Haven't they long since penetrated (er, maybe the wrong word to use here...) just about every university, institution and political party in the west? Aren't I the only one who hasn't slept with a Chinese spy? Unless you guys haven't either.On the alien invasion lunacy. One conspiracy theory with apparently some slight credulity behind it is that one tactic the desperate for world dominance elite might consider is a fake alien attack. Apparently it would be used as an excuse to implement lockdowns and all manor freedom restrictions on us plebs. No just you Alan, just you..😀 |
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Post by PG on Feb 15, 2023 12:34:35 GMT
Are there people out there thinking this is aliens? Brian Cox demonstrates a lack of lateral thinking ability there. Aliens would certainly have to be hugely advanced to travel the distances required to be here. But it is possible that their propulsion systems are capable of massively fast interstellar space travel but are defeated by our heavy atmosphere, gravity, or the planet's magnetic forces. Attaching a balloon to their craft is the only way they can get round that. Clever, these aliens.  |
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 15, 2023 18:21:53 GMT
I have a feeling that there is a certain amount of sarcasm in Prof Brian Cox's post
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 19:34:24 GMT
I have a feeling that there is a certain amount of sarcasm in Prof Brian Cox's post Or he has been spoofed....
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Post by woofwoof on Feb 15, 2023 23:54:34 GMT
Oh well... Here goes... As this forum is sort of anonymous and you guys aren't around to take the P out of me at home tomorrow.  When I was a boy I saw a UFO or at least something strange in the sky. I was at school, this will have been in the late 60's, it was break time and I was with two or three other boys when one spotted it and pointed it out to us. We were all stood looking at it when the bell went for the end of break, a teacher came up to us and someone said "Look" and pointed and she did look and then said "Yes" and that was that. She ushered us inside and of course we told everyone who would listen. When I got home I told my mam and as far as I can remember she just said "Oh Yeah?" I realised how daft it all sounded and so have told very few people ever since. And on to what I thought I saw. It was a white object, stationary in the sky and definitely not a cloud and not a helicopter, no blades and no sound, no visible wings either. It was sort of moon rocket capsule shaped, sort of triangular but with a sort of nose cone end and a flare behind and there was what appeared to be a window on the top and the thing seemed to be angled as if to allow the pilot to watch the scene below. This incident was one of several incidents of strangeness including suffering night terrors as a kid which created an interest in anything out of the ordinary and strange and I continue to read and watch strange stuff documentaries and read odd stuff books to this day. I can't say I necessarily believe any of it as the engineer part of me needs proof and considers other possibilities than aliens. I do know from the night terrors that people can be convinced that what they're seeing is real when it isn't. This "sighting" was however a shared experience and so much less likely to be a case of altered consciousness in me. It's all interesting food for thought. I've met people who've claimed to have seen UFO's over the years but have never told them my story. I suppose the most credible was a story told to me by an ex RAF engineer who claimed that whilst on a rig in the north sea he'd seen a triangular craft escorted by Harriers but I suppose that would be far more likely to be secret earth tech than aliens from beyond. I suppose the further back in time we go the less the man made explanation makes sense but I suppose even in the 60's there could have been craft not looking like conventional aircraft and capable of hovering but why hover over a school on the outskirts of Middlesbrough? But then, why would aliens do this? These and other questions will possibly never be answered. Anyway. Thanks for reading and not too much Micky taking. Please |
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