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Post by johnc on Jan 21, 2023 10:46:59 GMT
For £65K you could have a used M3/M4/M5 or even an M2CS. There will also be some good RS3s, 4s and 5s, perhaps not the driving Nirvana that the TypeR is supposed to be but better finished and very rapid.
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Post by Alex on Jan 21, 2023 12:21:08 GMT
How effing much? NSX, of course if I had the moolah. Not even a decision requiring much consideration. Plus the value of that NSX ain't going to drop unlike the Civic!
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Post by Eff One on Jan 21, 2023 12:28:59 GMT
Prices for all three are silly. The NSX is a wonderful thing, I was lucky enough to drive one back in 2000 when I was trying to get a job at Autocar. But assuming you intend to use it, there are too many options for £65k.
The yellow FK8 is one of only 21 UK cars, but against a list price of £42k ish, rarity only goes so far. Especially when there's another one with delivery mileage on Auto trader for £53k.
And the flipper selling the new black FL5 might find, as GR86 flippers have, that the demand just isn't there. The going rate for a GR86 is about £34k (list £31k). The first cars were initially advertised for £40k.
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Post by johnc on Jan 21, 2023 13:25:27 GMT
With interest rates up considerably over the past year and the good rates only really available from dealers, I would think that a flipped car would just become far too expensive to even contemplate.
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 21, 2023 18:04:32 GMT
Prices for all three are silly. The problem is... prices for almost all used cars are silly. I'm waiting with interest (pun intended) to see what happens to used car sales now that the squeeze on most normal people's budgets is very real and with the rise in the cost of borrowing, although I do wonder how many people look at the total cost of a purchase, rather than just the amount per month that they will be shelling out.
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Post by johnc on Feb 10, 2023 9:03:06 GMT
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Post by Eff One on Feb 10, 2023 13:49:38 GMT
You must be reading my mind, I've just been looking at this car again. It's been there at least three months now. I've been dithering over whether a Type R (or indeed anything other than my current banger) would get enough use to justify the outlay, hence the lack of movement. It doesn't help that there are no in-budget Type Rs for sale within 100 miles - the car in Glasgow is 400 miles away from me.
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Post by johnc on Feb 10, 2023 14:42:52 GMT
I bought the M5 in Bedford and it had over 500 miles on it by the time we got home. I think you will be able to determine the amount of want you have for the car by the level of your willingness to get on a train or plane.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 10, 2023 16:05:41 GMT
I bought the M5 in Bedford and it had over 500 miles on it by the time we got home. I think you will be able to determine the amount of want you have for the car by the level of your willingness to get on a train or plane. Indeed. I took a train to Redhill in Surrey to collect my 1927 Alvis and drove back to the North Cotswolds by a longer, motorway avoidance A-road route.
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Post by Martin on Feb 10, 2023 16:29:03 GMT
I've been quite lucky that the last couple of cars were under 60 miles away, but I'd travel anywhere in the UK for the right car at the right price.
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Post by Andy C on Feb 10, 2023 19:02:25 GMT
I bought the M5 in Bedford and it had over 500 miles on it by the time we got home. I think you will be able to determine the amount of want you have for the car by the level of your willingness to get on a train or plane. Indeed. I took a train to Redhill in Surrey to collect my 1927 Alvis and drove back to the North Cotswolds by a longer, motorway avoidance A-road route. I got the train to Kendal to pick up mine , and had a great drive back on a mix of roads to get to know the car .
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Post by Andy C on Feb 10, 2023 19:03:53 GMT
You must be reading my mind, I've just been looking at this car again. It's been there at least three months now. I've been dithering over whether a Type R (or indeed anything other than my current banger) would get enough use to justify the outlay, hence the lack of movement. It doesn't help that there are no in-budget Type Rs for sale within 100 miles - the car in Glasgow is 400 miles away from me. If you can get one for £24k I’d buy it now and keep it for a very long time
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Post by clunes on Feb 10, 2023 19:30:20 GMT
Whilst its not to my personal liking (purely from the aesthetic point of view) there is no question the FK8 it's an extraordinarily accomplished car - near the peak of hot hatch-dom and the new FL5 is only a very slight evolution from the driving perspective (arguably a bigger leap in design/interior).
Oddly - and perhaps this is a reflection of my age/priorities - where the new model is concerned I find the Civic e:HEV so much more interesting than the 'R' - the reviews are glowing and I find the tech approach Honda have take to the 'EV' very interesting and, as such, more appealing than others. As something of a 'white goods' vehicle it just seems to make a huge amount of sense and clearly hides some exceptional engineering under its, somewhat generic looking, skin.
(Note: I spend far too much time looking at F-Type P450, Lexus LC500 and similar vehicles on AT to hang up my petrolhead badge just yet!)
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 10, 2023 22:08:09 GMT
Lexus LC500 is a gorgeous car.
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Post by johnc on Feb 13, 2023 9:08:02 GMT
Lexus LC500 is a gorgeous car. I agree. I had a sit in a used one at the weekend when we called in at the Lexus garage to look at the NX and RX hybrids. The LC is quite a big car physically and super luxurious with real quality everywhere. However it was near to £60K for a 5/6 year old car, although you would never know its age from the way the car looked and the lack of wear on the inside.
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Post by clunes on Feb 13, 2023 17:45:22 GMT
The LC500 holds its value well (some slight softening recently) but the quality is truly exceptional and even at that price point can’t think of much that compares of a similar age.
That said, you can get a much newer P450 for a chunk less change and they also appeal.
Regardless - they are both extremely unlikely to be gracing my (non existent) driveway anytime soon and I expect the next car will more likely be a mid sized SUV or similar as the ‘family’ car before a toy can be considered.
That, and some serious focus on increasing pension contributions and paying down the mortgage will curtail my frivolity for some time to come!
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Post by clunes on Feb 13, 2023 17:47:07 GMT
Lexus LC500 is a gorgeous car. I agree. I had a sit in a used one at the weekend when we called in at the Lexus garage to look at the NX and RX hybrids. The LC is quite a big car physically and super luxurious with real quality everywhere. However it was near to £60K for a 5/6 year old car, although you would never know its age from the way the car looked and the lack of wear on the inside. What did you think of the hybrids? I find myself intrigued by Lexus more as a brand now - they seem to forge their own path and build vehicles that I expect would impress slowly over time rather than immediately tug the heart strings - and the dealer experience I’ve heard is second to none.
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Post by johnc on Feb 13, 2023 18:39:25 GMT
The RX appears a step up from the NX in quality of materials but both are still very good and are every bit as good as anything from Germany. We haven't been for a drive yet but we have just to call the salesman and he will arrange it. Our issue is finding a hybrid that will officially do 40 miles on electric only - it makes a big difference for tax.
The CVT transmission in the Lexus is a bit of a concern for me and Susan is already saying she isn't sure it will be fast enough!!
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Post by Martin on Feb 13, 2023 19:26:59 GMT
I’ve only driven 1 x Lexus, a 2014 GS. It was very nicely put together and comfortable, but the gearbox was awful, I knew within the first couple of miles it definitely wasn’t for me.
That was a while ago, maybe they have improved it…
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Post by clunes on Feb 14, 2023 9:28:38 GMT
I expect you might be disappointed by the gearbox also. It would be a concern for me as the idea of a CVT is far from appealing (although back to Honda it appears they have solved the old issues in the new Civiv hybrid).
Good luck on the search - not sure what choices you have with an official 40+ miles of EV range - does the Volvo XC90 T8 meet that criteria? I know the V60 T8 Recharge does but am guessing it’s not an estate you are after!
The Toyota RAV4 does - but not nearly as plush as the Lexus and I’m guessing the BMW X3/5 in some sort of ‘E’ model might!?
Anyway - back to the original thread - good luck with the purchase if/when it happens.
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Post by Martin on Feb 15, 2023 10:39:52 GMT
I still think a test drive in an i30N would be a good idea. It’s in a group test against the new Type R in this months Evo and gets a great review again.
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Post by Tim on Feb 15, 2023 10:48:00 GMT
I still think a test drive in an i30N would be a good idea. It’s in a group test against the new Type R in this months Evo and gets a great review again. Same in CAR mag.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 15, 2023 10:53:24 GMT
I still think a test drive in an i30N would be a good idea. It’s in a group test against the new Type R in this months Evo and gets a great review again. From briefly scanning the article it does seem that the 15K saving over the Type R is what one would casually remark as a no-brainer. Though the pull of the brand is strong with Type-R
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Post by alf on Jan 11, 2024 13:31:35 GMT
What happened with this in the end @eff One?? I see GT86's are available again - or there has been a marketing campaign to that effect anyway (I'm not sure at what price). Get one and go on holiday in her Focus, like I used to - saves boring miles on the good car, assuming you get bollocked for going fast with family in the car Removes the temptation as well... Otherwise I imagine CTR and other hot hatch prices are down a bit, with the price crash in the autumn? Traders may not reflect it yet, but they'll be suffering, and trade-in prices are awful currently.
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