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Post by woofwoof on Aug 10, 2022 15:45:46 GMT
Welcome back Alan. Hope you've been well. Thank you and all who've said similar. I'm sort of well. I struggle with anxiety and depression these days and sadly I've had a lot of family issues related to caring for our mother. I felt very guilty about not helping my father as I was busy with life and work so I made the decision to devote as much time as possible to helping our mother. Over the years things took their toll as dealing with someone with multiple physical and mental issues is demanding and difficult. I tried asking my two sisters (one was a nurse and living next door) for help but although they said nice things they were reluctant to actually do anything. What I wanted was one day a fortnight from each so that me and the Mrs could go out once a week and get a rest from caring duties, maybe 10:00 to 16:00, something like that once a week when convenient for cover. They didn't have to do anything other than sit, make tea and chat but asking lead to a massive row between the two of them and one saying she'd never speak to "that woman" again. The row then came to me and I was told by one she "Didn't care about me" and "Wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire." She then never spoke to me, Mrs WW or our Mother until she came to complain about the builders when we had the bathroom done. She also managed to get my niece (a mental health professional) to send a nasty txt to my wife who is genuinely innocent in this. When I then turned to the second sister and said that I can't do this by myself anymore she then blew up including telling a pack of obvious lies to anyone who would listen and sadly she seems to have dripped poison into my remaining niece and nephews ears. So, upshot is that asking each of my two sisters to come for one day a fortnight has lead to me losing my whole family. Family wise now all I have is my wife and my mother. We now have no contact with my sisters families. It's odd how both turned their anger onto me and both lied and both poisoned their families but with what lies I can't know. I did ask the nurse what she'd told her daughter to persuade her to send a hateful message to my wife and the reply, delivered whilst smirking was "None of your business." Such is life. The nurse next door collapsed and died alone and whilst I did love her recent events have lead to mixed emotions. I will never forget what's happened over the care of our mother and this has effectively ruined my life, I will remember all this trouble and upset until the moment I die. I should have listened to my wife. She said "Don't ask them Alan. She's our family, we'll look after her." I didn't listen, I'd never have imagined my sisters would react as they did. Sorry for that but at least it's an update  On a more positive note his is my wonderful wife. She gave up a very good career to move here and marry me. I was obviously taking a picture of that nice Citroen H when she photobombed the picture.  |
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Post by bryan on Aug 10, 2022 22:12:15 GMT
Families can be difficult at times. Back to your car Search if you are about width I'm not sure either car is for you as both the Evoque an Disco Sport are very wide, something like a Yeti is much narrower
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 11, 2022 8:34:58 GMT
Families can be difficult at times. Back to your car Search if you are about width I'm not sure either car is for you as both the Evoque an Disco Sport are very wide, something like a Yeti is much narrower I don't think the width is going to be an issue. I was more just pointing out that the length wasn't really a worry apart from the front bumper to back edge of the drivers door as my Jag S and Boxster fitted and I guess these cars would too but it's something I'd double check. I think based on the comments above about reliability I'll put the Discovery Sport on the back burner which is a shame as I was leaning more towards that car just on looks. I think it's the better looking car and they're a bit cheaper too. Anyway, I think I should maybe look more at the Evoque and possibly the Jag E Pace too with the IPace being an outside possibility if I do decide to give electric a go despite my worries about the implications of the worldwide move towards electric for the planet. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 11, 2022 9:08:55 GMT
On the IPace does anyone have any comments on battery longevity?
I don't do many miles now and I don't know if that's a positive or a negative for electric plus there's the issue of buying a used one and possibly keeping it a number of years. If I were to buy one which is 2, 3 or 4 years old and keep it 3, 4 or 5 years or more could the batteries be a significant worry? Is it too soon to be able to form an opinion on battery life and the associated costs of possible replacement?
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Post by johnc on Aug 11, 2022 9:33:35 GMT
On the IPace does anyone have any comments on battery longevity? I don't do many miles now and I don't know if that's a positive or a negative for electric plus there's the issue of buying a used one and possibly keeping it a number of years. If I were to buy one which is 2, 3 or 4 years old and keep it 3, 4 or 5 years or more could the batteries be a significant worry? Is it too soon to be able to form an opinion on battery life and the associated costs of possible replacement? We've only had ours 2 years and the battery is pretty much the same now as it has always been. I don't know how similar the battery technology is but a test on 10 year old Teslas showed that they had nearly 90% of battery capacity on average with the worst down at about 75/80% so that would suggest that batteries are lasting longer than many thought. There is still a lot to learn about battery longevity. |
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 11, 2022 10:18:06 GMT
Welcome back. You can’t chose your family so do as my sister did in ‘92 (I think) and just go awol. Crikey, that’s 30 years: longer than the period she was about. We never argued but she didn’t get on with my mum. Looking at the trials my wife and her sisters go through I feel my sis had it all correct: fly the nest for good.
Anyway, I went from a 500+bhp V8 to a 2.0 hybrid of the same shape. It’s electric for almost all local trips and has been economical dragging those batteries across Europe thus far. If I was never going to drive across continental roads again I’d consider an electric only car but in Central Europe charging stations are less common than hay and water stops for horse drawn vehicles.
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 11, 2022 11:03:45 GMT
That's good news John and BB. Thanks for that. I think reading that has made electric a bit more of a realistic possibility for me. One potential problem for me is that I've become a bit of a technophobe. As some might vaguely remember I worked in the computer industry and then for a group of manufacturing companies and to be honest I just got... sick of it all. I used to have computers all over but these days I have next to no interest in using tech so if I get an electric car I assume I'll have to take an interest in the onboard systems or buy a phone and check for charging points when out and about on a longer run. This may seem a minor thing but it is something I'll have to mentally get over and do So the choice seems to be Jag E Pace, RR Evoque or IPace or hybrid. I suppose the first thing to decide should be if I want to go for a conventional petrol or go the electric or hybrid route. Hybrid may be more practical but maybe too like a conventional car to be all that interesting whereas electric could be a new experience. I'll have a think. Thanks all for your input. Can I ask another question... I noticed that a few names from way back are missing. Is 12th still around? Also there was a guy, forgive me, I forget your name... who worked for a car dealership. Nice guy. And did Kraftwork not reappear? |
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Post by LandieMark on Aug 11, 2022 12:22:16 GMT
That's good news John and BB. Thanks for that. I think reading that has made electric a bit more of a realistic possibility for me. One potential problem for me is that I've become a bit of a technophobe. As some might vaguely remember I worked in the computer industry and then for a group of manufacturing companies and to be honest I just got... sick of it all. I used to have computers all over but these days I have next to no interest in using tech so if I get an electric car I assume I'll have to take an interest in the onboard systems or buy a phone and check for charging points when out and about on a longer run. This may seem a minor thing but it is something I'll have to mentally get over and do So the choice seems to be Jag E Pace, RR Evoque or IPace or hybrid. I suppose the first thing to decide should be if I want to go for a conventional petrol or go the electric or hybrid route. Hybrid may be more practical but maybe too like a conventional car to be all that interesting whereas electric could be a new experience. I'll have a think. Thanks all for your input. Can I ask another question... I noticed that a few names from way back are missing. Is 12th still around? Also there was a guy, forgive me, I forget your name... who worked for a car dealership. Nice guy. And did Kraftwork not reappear? 12th had a paddy and flounced and Kraftwerk has confined himself to Instagram. Humphrey the Pug was the car dealer guy- HTP99 on here, but he is on Pistonheads more frequently. |
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Post by bryan on Aug 11, 2022 12:47:12 GMT
So the choice seems to be Jag E Pace, RR Evoque or IPace or hybrid. I suppose the first thing to decide should be if I want to go for a conventional petrol or go the electric or hybrid route. Hybrid may be more practical but maybe too like a conventional car to be all that interesting whereas electric could be a new experience. I'll have a think. Thanks all for your input.
I think your dilema Alan is the Disco Sport/Evoque and E pace are all effectively variants of the same car - so the reliability issues which affect one will be common to all. i wouldn't assume an Evoque is more reliable than a DS for example.
The JLR group do have some very appealing products (I am on my second Evoque) but I would go in with your eyes open and buy the Discovery Sport is the one that you want and make sure you get from a main dealer and a decent approved warranty
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 11, 2022 13:51:28 GMT
That's good news John and BB. Thanks for that. I think reading that has made electric a bit more of a realistic possibility for me. One potential problem for me is that I've become a bit of a technophobe. As some might vaguely remember I worked in the computer industry and then for a group of manufacturing companies and to be honest I just got... sick of it all. I used to have computers all over but these days I have next to no interest in using tech so if I get an electric car I assume I'll have to take an interest in the onboard systems or buy a phone and check for charging points when out and about on a longer run. This may seem a minor thing but it is something I'll have to mentally get over and do So the choice seems to be Jag E Pace, RR Evoque or IPace or hybrid. I suppose the first thing to decide should be if I want to go for a conventional petrol or go the electric or hybrid route. Hybrid may be more practical but maybe too like a conventional car to be all that interesting whereas electric could be a new experience. I'll have a think. Thanks all for your input. Can I ask another question... I noticed that a few names from way back are missing. Is 12th still around? Also there was a guy, forgive me, I forget your name... who worked for a car dealership. Nice guy. And did Kraftwork not reappear? 12th had a paddy and flounced and Kraftwerk has confined himself to Instagram. Humphrey the Pug was the car dealer guy- HTP99 on here, but he is on Pistonheads more frequently. Thanks for the update. I think I'm at a point now when I think it's a shame to lose anyone no matter what the fall out or flounce and maybe if they do happen to read this they'll reconect. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 11, 2022 13:57:05 GMT
So the choice seems to be Jag E Pace, RR Evoque or IPace or hybrid. I suppose the first thing to decide should be if I want to go for a conventional petrol or go the electric or hybrid route. Hybrid may be more practical but maybe too like a conventional car to be all that interesting whereas electric could be a new experience. I'll have a think. Thanks all for your input.
I think your dilema Alan is the Disco Sport/Evoque and E pace are all effectively variants of the same car - so the reliability issues which affect one will be common to all. i wouldn't assume an Evoque is more reliable than a DS for example.
The JLR group do have some very appealing products (I am on my second Evoque) but I would go in with your eyes open and buy the Discovery Sport is the one that you want and make sure you get from a main dealer and a decent approved warranty
Thanks for that and that point on reliability is what I originally thought but people posting above seemed to be saying that the DS has more issues. Whatever I buy it'll be from a dealer and yes, I have my eyes open. I do appreciate that a Nissan or Hyundai may be cheaper and more reliable but part of the point is to own a Land Rover or Jag product. This might appear irrational but for me it's just something to experience and tick off the list. Just like some people want an Alfa or Porsche, I had one (Porsche) so I've ticked that box. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 11, 2022 13:59:49 GMT
Hi Alan. We are 2 years into a 3 year i-Pace lease and with the exception of long distance driving, it has been fantastic. It is in the dealership today to get a new wheel under warranty but apart from that and a brake fluid and filter service 3 weeks ago, it has been faultless. It has had a couple of brief messages pop up about something not working but like any computer you just switch it off and back on again and the messages disappear. It goes like stink, holds the road way better than it has any right to and if you are on the limit it is more likely to do a 4 wheel drift than anything else. It is also quiet and extremely comfortable. The satnav is rubbish and the infotainment system not exactly intuitive but you soon learn to get the things you use on a regular basis. Useable range at town and A road speeds is about 200 miles in summer and about 175 in winter. Motorway speeds in the summer you might get about 180 miles and about 150 in winter. If you drive nearer 80 than 70 you can take another 10% off those figures. When I asked my wife what she might want next she said she would have another i-Pace. Thanks for this John. I need to think about how I own a car. I think I'll start another thread on that. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 12, 2022 18:20:01 GMT
Another question for you experts...
When going for any of these cars are there any gen II models and if so are there any ages to avoid / cut off dates? For example avoid anything older than 2018?
As ever any help will be appreciated.
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Post by Martin on Aug 12, 2022 18:22:03 GMT
Another question for you experts... When going for any of these cars are there any gen II models and if so are there any ages to avoid / cut off dates? For example avoid anything older than 2018? As ever any help will be appreciated. 2017 was when they started to upgrade the infotainment system. I don’t know the exact dates on the smaller cars. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 12, 2022 22:46:51 GMT
Thanks for that Martin.
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Post by Alex on Aug 14, 2022 14:48:00 GMT
Nice to see you back Alan and I'm sorry to hear of your family woes, that can't of been a pleasant experience and I feel for you.
On the car front I think it sounds like the iPace could suit your needs as a low mileage. Unless you regularly need a car for long trips a PHEV makes little sense and you're better off with a pure EV which charges quicker and gets more miles per kW of charge.
You could always just hire a car on the odd occasion you do need to do a longer trip or you may find that planning charge stops around interesting stop off places makes using an EV to travel the country perfectly bearable. John can probably better confirm if this is the case.
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 14, 2022 19:11:18 GMT
Nice to see you back Alan and I'm sorry to hear of your family woes, that can't of been a pleasant experience and I feel for you. On the car front I think it sounds like the iPace could suit your needs as a low mileage. Unless you regularly need a car for long trips a PHEV makes little sense and you're better off with a pure EV which charges quicker and gets more miles per kW of charge. You could always just hire a car on the odd occasion you do need to do a longer trip or you may find that planning charge stops around interesting stop off places makes using an EV to travel the country perfectly bearable. John can probably better confirm if this is the case. Thanks for that Alex. The family woes have been life changing but there's nothing I can do. I've tried but they're not interested. Car wise I still haven't decided. There's a nice looking Evoque locally and the IPace is still on the list but I've also been reading about hybrids. I'm also undecided how much money I want to spend. I could get a nice lightly used Evoque for anything from mid £20k and up whereas a hybrid or electric could cost £10k-£20k more. Another stumbling block is what to sell. I love my MX5 and if it goes I may not have another and even the Getz has its charms as it's next to invisible to everyone else whilst being thoroughly reliable. Both are worth next to nothing but having three cars doesn't really work and isn't I suppose really a good idea. I'll have to think long and hard. |
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 14, 2022 21:16:03 GMT
Sounds like it is an expensive itch to scratch. If you're happy with the current two cars why not stick with them? (or buy a 2016 VW Polo instead??)
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 14, 2022 22:05:55 GMT
Sounds like it is an expensive itch to scratch. If you're happy with the current two cars why not stick with them? (or buy a 2016 VW Polo instead??) Keeping what I have is one way to go. I've been car mad since I was a little boy. I used to sit behind the bus driver or go anywhere if I got the chance to go in a car, cars were scarce then. I started off with 2 Minis and then got into sports cars at the age of 21 and I've had quite a few open two seaters, a big auto saloon in the form of the Jag S and a hatch back and numerous company cars so the only genre that I'm missing that matters to me is a LR type 4x4. Being realistic how many more cars and years driving do I have in me? None of us live forever. So, my thinking is that I might have time for 2 or 3 more cars. If I get a 4x4 now and run it for a few years it's another experience and another box ticked and if as I get older my mobility starts to go or I get bored with a LR breaking down I might have to get a small hatch back again or maybe go electric at some point if I don't do it now and if it doesn't get dropped at some point for ruining the planet as I suspect it could. Yes £25k/40K is a lot of money but on the other hand we are comfortable and Mrs WW is comfortable in her own right with money and property in Thailand and there's no children in her family. If I live long enough I'll get a state pension in a few more years so that's another bump up. For all these reasons Mrs WW has given the thumbs up to a LR if I want one. We could just continue to live a simple life and will everything to the family that have cut me off and been abusive for having the temerity to ask them to provide cover so we can go out once in a while, but maybe not. There's always charity I suppose and that probably will happen and a car here or there isn't going to empty the coffers so some charity will still get a good whack at some point either in the UK or Thailand or both. I tend to move slowly on things these days so I'll think long and hard but I do keep coming back to thinking that the money situation is ok and in fact rising, we're getting older and we have no children. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 15, 2022 7:34:15 GMT
Just my tuppence-worth; you're not in the situation where, as a company car user/chooser, you benefit from the low BIK of a hybrid or electric so it seems pointless paying the inflated cost of one of these models over the standard fare. You also say you don't do aa lot of miles so diesel may only be marginally cheaper to run factoring the higher cost of the fuel.
You want to scratch the LR itch so I'd look for the best 2/3 year old Discovery Sport or Evoqua, with a warranty, that fits your price bracket, test drive both and buy the one you like. Enjoy it for 3 years and sell it on, or even trade it for another if you love the experience.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 15, 2022 8:38:27 GMT
Just my tuppence-worth; you're not in the situation where, as a company car user/chooser, you benefit from the low BIK of a hybrid or electric so it seems pointless paying the inflated cost of one of these models over the standard fare. You also say you don't do aa lot of miles so diesel may only be marginally cheaper to run factoring the higher cost of the fuel. You want to scratch the LR itch so I'd look for the best 2/3 year old Discovery Sport or Evoqua, with a warranty, that fits your price bracket, test drive both and buy the one you like. Enjoy it for 3 years and sell it on, or even trade it for another if you love the experience. Agreed with all of that, your not going to put solar panels on the roof of your house if it takes 30 years to payback the investment. If you can get a good 3 year old Diesel Evoque for 20K - 30K less then a hybid or Electric that would seem to make the most sense. However if your not set on LR then my choice would be a Macan. Best place to put your money if you can afford the initial outlay. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 15, 2022 9:48:01 GMT
Just my tuppence-worth; you're not in the situation where, as a company car user/chooser, you benefit from the low BIK of a hybrid or electric so it seems pointless paying the inflated cost of one of these models over the standard fare. You also say you don't do aa lot of miles so diesel may only be marginally cheaper to run factoring the higher cost of the fuel. You want to scratch the LR itch so I'd look for the best 2/3 year old Discovery Sport or Evoqua, with a warranty, that fits your price bracket, test drive both and buy the one you like. Enjoy it for 3 years and sell it on, or even trade it for another if you love the experience. Agreed with all of that, your not going to put solar panels on the roof of your house if it takes 30 years to payback the investment. If you can get a good 3 year old Diesel Evoque for 20K - 30K less then a hybid or Electric that would seem to make the most sense. However if your not set on LR then my choice would be a Macan. Best place to put your money if you can afford the initial outlay. Thanks for this guys. When I first did a search I noticed that there were a lot more diesels for sale than anything else and that the prices were cheaper but I'm very worried about the diesel tech, with those filters and recharging cycles. I've read that there are a lot of issues with these and not just with JLR as it seems to be across many if not all brands. So, I'd discounted diesel from the list of possibilities and just concentrated on petrol with hybrid or electric. The electric or hybrid thought is just for a different experience as I know it's unlikely to save me money. I will possibly end up going for petrol but a different tech at some point before I give up might be nice... but I am very worried that electric could be an environmental disaster from start with mining and lithium lakes to finish with little recycling and the gov decided when or even if you can charge the thing up. So, sorry to ask yet another question but what do you guys think about diesel? Will the tech be a possible cause of repeated costly problems? Some weeks I might drive 20 miles or even less but we we might get up and decide to have a day out in Whitby if it's possible with the situation at home or I might have to drive Mrs WW to Manchester or Newcastle for a flight. Some years my MX5 does just a few hundred mile but then again it could do 300 in a day. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 15, 2022 9:56:56 GMT
In 30 years of driving diesels I've never had a problem with particulate filters or anything like that (albeit I know early diesels didn't have these), though I would recommend a decent run once a week to make sure the DPF gets up to temp and burns off any soot it has collected.
I have no real concerns over the environmental impact of electric batteries, companies will responsibly source and reduce the content of rare earth metals as battery tech advances. Also, all these battery packs will be fully recycled as these metals are too valuable to not do so, technically 90% of these battery packs are recyclable so you'll end up with a circular manufacturing process. I know Nissan already repurposes old Leaf battery backs for domestic and industrial power storage.
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 15, 2022 10:15:48 GMT
In 30 years of driving diesels I've never had a problem with particulate filters or anything like that (albeit I know early diesels didn't have these), though I would recommend a decent run once a week to make sure the DPF gets up to temp and burns off any soot it has collected. I have no real concerns over the environmental impact of electric batteries, companies will responsibly source and reduce the content of rare earth metals as battery tech advances. Also, all these battery packs will be fully recycled as these metals are too valuable to not do so, technically 90% of these battery packs are recyclable so you'll end up with a circular manufacturing process. I know Nissan already repurposes old Leaf battery backs for domestic and industrial power storage. Well, that's all food for thought. |
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Post by Alex on Aug 15, 2022 11:06:05 GMT
If the idea of hybrid/EV is about scratching an itch why not just hire one for a few days or even a week? Perhaps plan a bit of a driving holiday either north or south of where you live, maybe wait till the school holidays have ended and book a B&B by the coast for a night or two away. You could then see if it is what you like and would work with your lifestyle before dropping a load of money on one.
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 15, 2022 14:54:08 GMT
If the idea of hybrid/EV is about scratching an itch why not just hire one for a few days or even a week? Perhaps plan a bit of a driving holiday either north or south of where you live, maybe wait till the school holidays have ended and book a B&B by the coast for a night or two away. You could then see if it is what you like and would work with your lifestyle before dropping a load of money on one. I think the first thing to do is have a test drive as that's free and if I then go off the idea I'll move on to something else. If I like it I might just buy on the spot or look for or hire something but at least posting here has helped focus my mind a bit. |
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Post by woofwoof on Aug 17, 2022 18:40:40 GMT
Today I went for a test drive. Actually I looked at two cars but I only test drove one. I'll keep exactly what it was a secret just for now as I haven't completely made my mind up but here's some impressions from the test drive... Very nice The car was comfortable and the ride was smooth but with enough feedback. The auto box was smooth enough but what did surprise me was the pickup when you press the accelerator and maybe because I'm used to driving other cars with maybe more of a sense of speed I went faster than I thought and I initially found myself doing comfortably over the speed limit. Once I twigged I kept an eye on the speedo Another problem for me to get over was that when going for reverse or forward gear I kept going for the gearstick as the last auto I had was my Jag S with its J gate and this car didn't have one Tomorrow I'm going to test drive an almost identical car but with a slightly better spec and a different colour and trim. Oh, and Mrs WW came with me and when we were getting back into our car to go home she spotted a car and said "What about that one?" So I got out and had a look and sadly it was a manual and we want an auto. Just shows the dangers of taking the Mrs on a test drive as she might just end up picking something else Thanks again for all your help. I'll report back! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 19:18:17 GMT
WB, Alan. Families. Stuff. No help with the motors but good luck with whatever you wind up in.
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Post by woofwoof on Sept 10, 2022 23:06:25 GMT
WB, Alan. Families. Stuff. No help with the motors but good luck with whatever you wind up in. Hi Mike. Thanks. I ended up getting a used diesel Evoque. I haven't had time to take any scenic pictures of it but here's one of it parked on Redcar seafront and one of Mrs WW showing the interior. She starts lessons at the end of the month and hopefully she'll do well as she is used to driving on the left.   I nearly bought a white one with a black interior but it had heavily tinted windows and it felt like sitting in a cave. This one has the glass roof and with that and the lighter interior I think it's much nicer. Part of the reason for buying a used one was that I wasn't sure if I'd like it but I have to say I love it, so I might see what I'm offered against a new one next year sometime. |
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Post by woofwoof on Sept 19, 2022 12:22:22 GMT
Does anyone know if it's possible to stop the Evoque radio being turned off after a time without the engine running?
It's irritating. I can't see any way to stop it doing this.
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On a more positive note his is my wonderful wife. She gave up a very good career to move here and marry me.
