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Post by racingteatray on May 25, 2022 13:27:38 GMT
For all that she was meant to be the much-feared Rottweiler who would finally grasp and savage the greased albino piglet, it turns out she is not.
I had a quick read through the actual report, and perhaps I am not versed in interpreting civil servicese, but I thought it reeked of pulled punches.
So it turns out Boris Johnson is not wrong in assuming there is one rule for the ruling and another for the ruled.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 25, 2022 13:41:19 GMT
Yes it does seem rather a damp squib. Though I'm very impressed that the Tories somehow convinced the RMT union to announce the countries largest strike action on the day the report was published. Chapeau on that one
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 25, 2022 13:54:49 GMT
I think many people would only be satisfied if it was a thundering condemnation, regardless of what the truth is.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 21:16:26 GMT
There was much said about the public obeying the limits but Police in England and Wales have processed a total of 117213 fixed penalty notices (https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/update-on-coronavirus-fpns-issued-by-police-june-2021) and we still have no data on infractions from other political parties.
More than a few infractions and the political muppetry goes on.
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Post by racingteatray on May 25, 2022 21:30:06 GMT
I think many people would only be satisfied if it was a thundering condemnation, regardless of what the truth is. Well we all know what the truth is. It’s scarcely been hidden. At this point I just want a competent and non-twattish PM. Is that such a tall order? Apparently it is. Go figure. |
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Post by Big Blue on May 25, 2022 23:15:23 GMT
At this point I just want a competent and non-twattish PM. Is that such a tall order? Apparently it is. Go figure.  There you are. A suitable replacement for the current one. |
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Post by bryan on May 26, 2022 6:18:37 GMT
His birthday 'party' looked shit, typical civil service sandwiches working lunch
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Post by Tim on May 26, 2022 7:58:26 GMT
A lot of the stuff that's come out in the last few months has been quite surprising/disappointing.
E.g. they were working hard during lockdown, it was stressful, etc.
So, just like the rest of us then, except I don't know of any other place that was having regular drinks/parties to help deal with all this shit. And even if I did know of anywhere NONE of them is part of the highest level of law making and rule setting.
I think Johnson and a lot of his close supporters in Government should go but from what I was listening to on the radio yesterday there needs to be a fairly widespread clearing out of, presumably, fairly senior general staff as well.
Part of me would like to go down to Downing Street and just give a firm kick to anyone in vaguely business attire that enters or exits No 10.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 26, 2022 8:22:14 GMT
Is it the PM's job to enforce the rules at number 10 or is he being thrown under the bus. Not that I have much sympathy for him but he's a people pleaser and a good timer therefore if theres a beer or glass of win to be had he's probably the first in the queue. . Nothing wrong with that but probably not the right person to hold power.
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Post by Tim on May 26, 2022 9:10:07 GMT
Is it the PM's job to enforce the rules at number 10 or is he being thrown under the bus. Not that I have much sympathy for him but he's a people pleaser and a good timer therefore if theres a beer or glass of win to be had he's probably the first in the queue. . Nothing wrong with that but probably not the right person to hold power. Isn't he the guy that was standing up in front of the nation telling them to keep away from each other, not go to funerals, don't have weddings, don't meet up outside and definitely don't have parties? Then going back to his place of work and seeing groups of people having a drink and saying nothing? It might not specifically be his job to enforce the rules at No 10 but he is the Prime Minister and as such should be setting an example. He didn't need to discipline people but I think if he'd seen even 1 of these parties and told them to break it up due to what he'd just told the rest of us then it'd have an effect. He should certainly have had more sense than hang around to even have 1 drink. It doesn't say much for his judgement or common sense. |
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Post by PetrolEd on May 26, 2022 11:27:48 GMT
Is it the PM's job to enforce the rules at number 10 or is he being thrown under the bus. Not that I have much sympathy for him but he's a people pleaser and a good timer therefore if theres a beer or glass of win to be had he's probably the first in the queue. . Nothing wrong with that but probably not the right person to hold power. Isn't he the guy that was standing up in front of the nation telling them to keep away from each other, not go to funerals, don't have weddings, don't meet up outside and definitely don't have parties? Then going back to his place of work and seeing groups of people having a drink and saying nothing? It might not specifically be his job to enforce the rules at No 10 but he is the Prime Minister and as such should be setting an example. He didn't need to discipline people but I think if he'd seen even 1 of these parties and told them to break it up due to what he'd just told the rest of us then it'd have an effect. He should certainly have had more sense than hang around to even have 1 drink. It doesn't say much for his judgement or common sense. Especially as he had only just avoided death from Covid a few months previously. Allegedly anyway. |
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Post by Boxer6 on May 26, 2022 12:30:41 GMT
Isn't he the guy that was standing up in front of the nation telling them to keep away from each other, not go to funerals, don't have weddings, don't meet up outside and definitely don't have parties? Then going back to his place of work and seeing groups of people having a drink and saying nothing? It might not specifically be his job to enforce the rules at No 10 but he is the Prime Minister and as such should be setting an example. He didn't need to discipline people but I think if he'd seen even 1 of these parties and told them to break it up due to what he'd just told the rest of us then it'd have an effect. He should certainly have had more sense than hang around to even have 1 drink. It doesn't say much for his judgement or common sense. Especially as he had only just avoided death from Covid a few months previously. Allegedly anyway. Well, quite. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 26, 2022 13:19:41 GMT
I think many people would only be satisfied if it was a thundering condemnation, regardless of what the truth is. Well we all know what the truth is. It’s scarcely been hidden. At this point I just want a competent and non-twattish PM. Is that such a tall order? Apparently it is. Go figure. My own view is that, as the supposed Leader, Boris should resign, and all the Civil Servants who attended paraded in Downing Street for introduction to the Nation, and then sacked. |
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Post by PG on May 26, 2022 14:26:22 GMT
The culture in downing Street (and I suspect in several other government departments too) seems to have been locked in a time warp of the 1980's, when hard drinking post work socialising was almost the expected norm. However, time has moved on and the behaviour documented in the report (booze in the workplace; wine up the walls; vomit; rudeness to junior staff etc) would result in at best serious disciplinary action and at worst dismssal, in most jobs today.
And whilst I have no sympathy for Boris who should have made it clear he did not approve of the behaviour - as I'm sure it was an open secret - he does not actually employ most of the people, the Civil Service do. So whilst Boris should resign for political reasons, the whole senior Civil Service management and involved people at Downing Street need to go as well.
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Post by Big Blue on May 26, 2022 21:03:35 GMT
Pretty sure most of my brushes over the years with the upper echelons of the CS have been reminiscent of my early years working in a professional partnership where a partner would come in, put a bag of coins on your desk and tell you where their car was parked so you could feed the meter. I did indeed vomit into a waste paper bin in the afternoon in said offices after a heavy lunch session at the Westminster Arms. I also woke up in the office on a Saturday morning, woke up in the pub before work, was sent out to buy champagne for the secretary’s lunch and drove out to the partner in the law firm opposite’s house in Chelsea in his chauffeur driven Bentley with his wife that fancied me.
Yep. It’s all a bit ‘80s.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 26, 2022 21:13:13 GMT
Pretty sure most of my brushes over the years with the upper echelons of the CS have been reminiscent of my early years working in a professional partnership where a partner would come in, put a bag of coins on your desk and tell you where their car was parked so you could feed the meter. I did indeed vomit into a waste paper bin in the afternoon in said offices after a heavy lunch session at the Westminster Arms. I also woke up in the office on a Saturday morning, woke up in the pub before work, was sent out to buy champagne for the secretary’s lunch and drove out to the partner in the law firm opposite’s house in Chelsea in his chauffeur driven Bentley with his wife that fancied me. Yep. It’s all a bit ‘80s. In that case take me back to Miami Vice, Duran Duran and Donkey Kong, the 80’s sound great |
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Post by Big Blue on May 26, 2022 21:48:36 GMT
Going to see Duran Duran at Hyde Park in July. Rio (album) was 40 a couple of days before my birthday.
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