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Post by alf on Jul 5, 2023 7:59:08 GMT
I’m up in Chorley today to visit a new site (another one to add to the list of free electric), petrol is £1.36, diesel £1.40 and super £1.43. One thing I would hope the current investigation into prices takes aim at at some point, is the delta between normal and super unleaded. Especially as E10 fuel has presumably given some additional volume to Super demand. Your example above is great, but I stopped on the A5 near Shrewsbury on Monday at a Shell that was 141 for normal, it was 169! You can't tell before you get in there, which feels to me like a potential con. I remember the good old days when Super was often 2 or 3 ppl more. Anything much beyond a 5% delta feels like taking the mickey to me...
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Post by johnc on Jul 5, 2023 11:38:57 GMT
Shell VPower was 161.9p v normal unleaded at 149.9p last night. The Esso station is 142.9p for unleaded (down a penny) but super unleaded is still 169.9p - that's about £10 extra for a tankful
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 5, 2023 22:03:26 GMT
Having just driven 1,500 miles up to Islay and back via the Northumbrian coast, I can say that the delta for super over ordinary unleaded is an utter lottery. Plenty of non-motorway services charging motorway prices for super whilst charging much lower prices for normal unleaded. Total rip-off. As others have said it varies from 10p per litre up to 26p per litre. And you don’t know until you’ve stopped and found the one or two pumps that actually have it.
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Post by bryan on Jul 6, 2023 5:25:12 GMT
I wonder if the super price is driven by a supply chain issue? Even costco has super at £1.41/E10 at £1.32.
I also don't get why Derby Costco is 2ppl more for all fuels over stores in Brum, Sheffield and Coventry
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 6, 2023 9:14:20 GMT
Price-gouging if you ask me. I try to stop at Esso garages as I have a Esso fuel card that gets me 6p off a litre of super. And I’ve discovered that two adjacent Esso garages are quite capable of having very different prices for super even if they have the same price for normal unleaded.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 6, 2023 10:47:58 GMT
I wonder if the super price is driven by a supply chain issue? Even costco has super at £1.41/E10 at £1.32. I also don't get why Derby Costco is 2ppl more for all fuels over stores in Brum, Sheffield and Coventry The demand for super unleaded is more inelastic than ordinary petrol. That is, those that want to run their car on super unleaded are already prepared to pay over the odds so their minds are already conditioned to a premium. Filling stations are able to take advantage of this and increase their margins to reflect the fact these sheep are easier to shear.
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Post by Alex on Jul 7, 2023 7:31:09 GMT
Price-gouging if you ask me. I try to stop at Esso garages as I have a Esso fuel card that gets me 6p off a litre of super. And I’ve discovered that two adjacent Esso garages are quite capable of having very different prices for super even if they have the same price for normal unleaded. In normal driving do you really need super on a modern car like yours? Could you not get away with regular? German cars used to always be perfectly happy with lower Octane fuel.
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Post by Martin on Jul 7, 2023 7:36:28 GMT
Price-gouging if you ask me. I try to stop at Esso garages as I have a Esso fuel card that gets me 6p off a litre of super. And I’ve discovered that two adjacent Esso garages are quite capable of having very different prices for super even if they have the same price for normal unleaded. In normal driving do you really need super on a modern car like yours? Could you not get away with regular? German cars used to always be perfectly happy with lower Octane fuel. Porsche state you should use the good stuff. The Golf is the same, interestingly the 750i wasn't but I always used it anyway. It's not that much extra in the grand scheme of car ownership.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 8, 2023 0:05:23 GMT
Yes the 440i was perfectly happy on 95 octane but the filler cap on the Macan specifies 98.
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Post by Alex on Jul 8, 2023 6:07:56 GMT
Yes the 440i was perfectly happy on 95 octane but the filler cap on the Macan specifies 98. OK fair enough but what do they do in the US where most fuels are much lower octane? Edit I've just looked it up and apparently there is no difference it's just that in the US they use a different measurement so our 95 RON fuel is the same as their 87 and our 98 is he same as their 91. Apparently we use a figure based on a lab test of fuel behaviour at 600rpm and they use a test based on 900rpm. We call it Research Octane Number they can it Motor Octane Number. But further to this some places in America use Pump Octane Number which is an average of RON and MON and is therefore somewhere inbetween. Everydays a schoolday!
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Post by johnc on Sept 11, 2023 10:30:00 GMT
Shell V-Power back up to 170.9p last night when I filled up. Who are they kidding. The price of a barrel of oil is around $90 at the moment and when it was over $100 fuel prices were a good bit lower than the current prices. Maybe the Government are happy for petrol prices to rise so that the price of charging an EV on the road appears more reasonable in a couple of year's time. The only certainty in all of this is that the man in the street pays more.
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Post by Tim on Sept 11, 2023 11:00:55 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised at the price of diesel in Ullapool - 155 for the normal stuff but then remembered there's some sort of 5p/litre discount for the far flung bits and islands.
Irritatingly I hadn't remember this so had filled up in Inverness at 157.
At home I noticed it was 153 yesterday.
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Post by alf on Sept 12, 2023 8:50:31 GMT
Shell V-Power back up to 170.9p last night when I filled up. Who are they kidding. The price of a barrel of oil is around $90 at the moment and when it was over $100 fuel prices were a good bit lower than the current prices. Maybe the Government are happy for petrol prices to rise so that the price of charging an EV on the road appears more reasonable in a couple of year's time. The only certainty in all of this is that the man in the street pays more. I tool the Boxster out for the first time in 3 weeks last night, after hols, and filled up for a bit more than this. The huge range of price differences between normal and Super unleaded are a total PITA, you don't really know a) if they sell Super at all or b) what it costs, until pulling onto the forecourt. The signs ought to show all the available fuels, and prices, as they do in other countries...
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