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Post by Big Blue on Jan 5, 2022 10:45:04 GMT
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Post by johnc on Jan 5, 2022 11:05:00 GMT
.......and California is one of the most supportive States for the move to EV's!
The Politicians really need to get their shit in order. It was only a year or two ago that we were told the UK was close to power shortages during winter and if EV use continues to grow at current rates, it won't be long before we have the same problems. I just hope the Rolls Royce micro nuclear generator plants can be built quickly and safely because we are going to need them.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 5, 2022 11:49:16 GMT
California is not the UK and surely the advantage of EVs is that you can take advantage of surplus renewable energy at night, that would otherwise be wasted, to charge them?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 5, 2022 12:01:36 GMT
California is not the UK and surely the advantage of EVs is that you can take advantage of surplus renewable energy at night, that would otherwise be wasted, to charge them? We spent New Year on the surprisingly sunny North Norfolk coast. The middle and far distant view out to sea from Cley and Blakeney is now dominated by a forest of wind turbines. Presumably they continue to spin at night when we can't see them.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 5, 2022 13:43:36 GMT
California is not the UK and surely the advantage of EVs is that you can take advantage of surplus renewable energy at night, that would otherwise be wasted, to charge them? We spent New Year on the surprisingly sunny North Norfolk coast. The middle and far distant view out to sea from Cley and Blakeney is now dominated by a forest of wind turbines. Presumably they continue to spin at night when we can't see them. They are controversial. There's a forest of them off the Suffolk coast near my mother and now they want to build a vast onshore substation for them practically next door. Needless to say it's very unpopular locally. sases.org.uk/
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 5, 2022 14:02:16 GMT
We spent New Year on the surprisingly sunny North Norfolk coast. The middle and far distant view out to sea from Cley and Blakeney is now dominated by a forest of wind turbines. Presumably they continue to spin at night when we can't see them. They are controversial. There's a forest of them off the Suffolk coast near my mother and now they want to build a vast onshore substation for them practically next door. Needless to say it's very unpopular locally. sases.org.uk/Yes, they certainly change the view and any associated land-based infrastructure must be difficult to hide. It is difficult to know how we can continue to expand renewable energy generation while not creating harm to our countryside or the quality of life for those who live in the midst of the development. A quick look at your link suggests there is an uncoordinated free for all on the east coast among energy suppliers. Definitely a need for a proper consultation with local residents.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 5, 2022 14:10:52 GMT
Most wind farms are over the horizon (where the wind is more predictable) with substations offshore as well. I'm not familiar with the ones off the Suffolk coast. I'm not a fan of spoiling the countryside so anything onshore would need to be sympathetically landscaped.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 5, 2022 17:05:03 GMT
They seem to be talking about something the size of Wembley and 80m high slap bang in the middle of the "Suffolk Heritage Coast"...where we already have a long-standing ding-dong ongoing about Sizewell C...
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Post by Tim on Jan 6, 2022 9:28:40 GMT
I don't recall anything like that being put in place on the East coast of Scotland to cope with all the offshore windfarms up here. Unless all the connectors are routed to Torness (about the size of Wembley and 80m high) but then as far as I know that's still an active nuclear plant.
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Post by PG on Jan 6, 2022 9:48:25 GMT
California seems to have a pretty flaky power grid. Years of under-investment. For a really rich state, they sure are crap at infrastructure. I think it is the huge aircon demands for homes and offices in hot spells that really stress it. And most people (and offices) leave their aircon on at night so I doubt that "off peak" really exists there.
So there is little doubt that the grid needs huge upgrade in California to deal with everyone driving EV's. They have mandated only EV's can be sold from 2035.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 6, 2022 10:01:46 GMT
They seem to be talking about something the size of Wembley and 80m high slap bang in the middle of the "Suffolk Heritage Coast"...where we already have a long-standing ding-dong ongoing about Sizewell C... I assume that’s Friston Substation? I had an interface with the geological surveys for those wind farms in the sea a few years back as SZC needed to avoid having rigs in the same area at the same time.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 6, 2022 16:20:21 GMT
Yup.
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Post by rodge on Jan 8, 2022 10:14:49 GMT
California seems to have a pretty flaky power grid. Years of under-investment. For a really rich state, they sure are crap at infrastructure. I think it is the huge aircon demands for homes and offices in hot spells that really stress it. And most people (and offices) leave their aircon on at night so I doubt that "off peak" really exists there. So there is little doubt that the grid needs huge upgrade in California to deal with everyone driving EV's. They have mandated only EV's can be sold from 2035. The grid is flaky. When we were working at Tesla in 2020, the city of Fremont wouldn’t allow Tesla to draw power until after 6pm as they couldn’t support the factory. It was ridiculous- the place was huge and they couldn’t run it during normal hours until the grid caught up. Air con demands are a big thing- when you’ve Californians who insist at keeping their houses in the 60-70 degree range in the summer, they run the ac all the time. We kept ours around 80, as it was still comfortable in the summer when it’s 100 outside. Something I’ve noticed here is how cold the shops are in the US versus here- they run ac all through the year. The other problem is the wind farms, they work but they aren’t clean energy. The materials used in building the blades is currently not recyclable and they are only good for a limited number of years before they have to be replaced due to fatigue. The whole renewable energy thing keeps reminding me of my science classes in school when we were told energy could not be created or destroyed, yet there’s a constant energy shortage.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 8, 2022 11:01:28 GMT
Is there an energy shortage or human surplus?
That whole energy can’t be destroyed stuff was bollocks as the concept of latent energy was used to describe things that were otherwise inanimate.
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Post by rodge on Jan 8, 2022 12:08:11 GMT
Is there an energy shortage or human surplus? That whole energy can’t be destroyed stuff was bollocks as the concept of latent energy was used to describe things that were otherwise inanimate. I’d say it’s a combination. There’s not enough energy available for them but the people that live there don’t know how to use it efficiently either. I’d regularly hear of people with massive energy bills during the year that were 2-3 times mine, and I was living in a 5 bed detached house with no solar power.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:23:49 GMT
It's a bit like the kettle imho. How many people fill the kettle to make one cup of tea/coffee? A lot of extra energy to do something in excess of requirement.
To release potential energy you have to use energy which must come from somewhere. Hit a piece of metal with a hammer and it releases energy in the forms of heat, sound, movement but you must use energy to liberate it.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 8, 2022 17:03:17 GMT
Look up the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 8, 2022 22:23:41 GMT
California is not the UK and surely the advantage of EVs is that you can take advantage of surplus renewable energy at night, that would otherwise be wasted, to charge them? Surplus renewable energy? According to EON, 100% of my electricity is renewable. So unlimited, then. Still don't get why it costs do much, if that's the case, though. Or why it's limited.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 9, 2022 9:21:51 GMT
California is not the UK and surely the advantage of EVs is that you can take advantage of surplus renewable energy at night, that would otherwise be wasted, to charge them? Surplus renewable energy? According to EON, 100% of my electricity is renewable. So unlimited, then. Still don't get why it costs do much, if that's the case, though. Or why it's limited. You sound like my grandad who couldn’t understand why he got a water bill when it fell for free from the sky.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 9, 2022 9:36:25 GMT
Look up the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Yes but look at my comment relating to the use of latent energy to describe how inanimate objects can have energy. Let’s look at a layman’s example. To drive a nail into wood with a hammer requires energy. The nail and the hammer are inanimate until the hammer is moved by a human, so kinetic energy is transferred. All well and good: the law stands. However, to transfer the kinetic energy to the hammer the human needed to move it, which required effort. To make this effort the human needed food to be processed by its body. This food needed to be grown (either a plant or a baby animal) so the seed needed the energy of the soil needed to be transferred to it. This means the soil is a massive store of energy to be passed along the chain. To avoid the conflict of energy creation by animals through the food chain the hammer and the nail are considered to have latent energy which is released through the kinetic transfer of movement of them both but clearly that latent energy cannot be released without the food chain which is grown. I stand by my statement that latent energy is used as a cop-out to try to maintain a law that science refuses to accept as being what the layman calls “bollocks”.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 10, 2022 20:07:33 GMT
Surplus renewable energy? According to EON, 100% of my electricity is renewable. So unlimited, then. Still don't get why it costs do much, if that's the case, though. Or why it's limited. You sound like my grandad who couldn’t understand why he got a water bill when it fell for free from the sky. It's witchcraft!
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 8, 2022 9:15:44 GMT
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Post by Martin on Feb 8, 2022 9:29:52 GMT
We knew it was coming, but the government has realised there will be a drop in revenue so are working on road pricing as "there is no alternative"
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 8, 2022 10:13:37 GMT
Road pricing is the fairest way of doing it in all honesty. How it is implemented, is another matter. I'm not a fan of installing a black box and being billed at MOT time would be ripe for milage "correction" prior to test.
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Post by Martin on Feb 8, 2022 10:29:28 GMT
Road pricing is the fairest way of doing it in all honesty. How it is implemented, is another matter. I'm not a fan of installing a black box and being billed at MOT time would be ripe for milage "correction" prior to test. I can't see how they'd do it without a black box/tracker of some description? If it's on top of RFL and fuel duty for petrol/diesel cars then I'm (unsurprisingly) dead against it, but if it's a replacement for RFL then it does make sense and I'm saying that as someone who does 30k miles a year.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 8, 2022 10:33:14 GMT
Road pricing is the fairest way of doing it in all honesty. How it is implemented, is another matter. I'm not a fan of installing a black box and being billed at MOT time would be ripe for milage "correction" prior to test. I can't see how they'd do it without a black box/tracker of some description? If it's on top of RFL and fuel duty for petrol/diesel cars then I'm (unsurprisingly) dead against it, but if it's a replacement for RFL then it does make sense and I'm saying that as someone who does 30k miles a year. Yes, VED and and fuel duty would need to be abolished IMO.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 8, 2022 11:05:29 GMT
My car tells me how many miles I’ve done online. BMW can share that with DVLA anytime but would also need to record when I’m not in the UK as this year my July and August mileage will be equivalent to all other miles in the year and none in the UK. The Nav system can do that as well so whether you want to be recorded by black box or not you already are if you’re in a newer car.
However this current shower will likely require a separate black box, designed and built by a party donor with installation carried out by an authorised company that is owned by a party donor.
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Post by johnc on Feb 8, 2022 13:02:27 GMT
But the biggest issue of all is that the black box can automate the collection of speeding fines for even 1mph over the limit, regardless of circumstances and it would allow everyone to be tracked 24hrs a day. I am not a speeder per se but I also can't hold my hands up and say that I didn't exceed the limit as I passed the caravan that had been holding me up for the last 10 miles or on the countless occasions when I have accelerated on a motorway or dual carriageway to avoid a dangerous situation I saw developing. It is also the kind of technology that would kill off a massive amount of demand for the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin etc in the UK: some people will still want them to show their status but I can see smaller and less powerful engines and an emphasis on style and luxury instead.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 8, 2022 13:19:10 GMT
But the biggest issue of all is that the black box can automate the collection of speeding fines for even 1mph over the limit, regardless of circumstances and it would allow everyone to be tracked 24hrs a day. I am not a speeder per se but I also can't hold my hands up and say that I didn't exceed the limit as I passed the caravan that had been holding me up for the last 10 miles or on the countless occasions when I have accelerated on a motorway or dual carriageway to avoid a dangerous situation I saw developing. It is also the kind of technology that would kill off a massive amount of demand for the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin etc in the UK: some people will still want them to show their status but I can see smaller and less powerful engines and an emphasis on style and luxury instead. Well if they bring that in then the 911 will be going straight into the classifieds to be replaced with something like a Honda e. The cost of trackdays will go up ten fold as everyone clambers to use their car anywhere close to its limits.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 8, 2022 13:37:21 GMT
Pretty sure the black box in your car is admissible evidence after an incident. Speeding fines will just be the next logical step. It’s probably doable now but data protection laws need to be altered before it can be implemented.
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