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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 22, 2021 21:52:20 GMT
My next door neighbour retired from nursing last year then went back to do the vaccinations. Despite only being retired a matter of months, and volunteering to work in a neighbouring trust, the bureaucracy involved meant it was months before she was jabbing. Similarly, my sister in law, a recently retired midwife went back to work on the Covid wards early last year and was similarly frustrated by the lack of urgency from the Trust to get her back on board. Red tape and indolence to the point of apathy - sounds like an average NHS manager!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 23, 2021 6:32:45 GMT
My next door neighbour retired from nursing last year then went back to do the vaccinations. Despite only being retired a matter of months, and volunteering to work in a neighbouring trust, the bureaucracy involved meant it was months before she was jabbing. Similarly, my sister in law, a recently retired midwife went back to work on the Covid wards early last year and was similarly frustrated by the lack of urgency from the Trust to get her back on board. Red tape and indolence to the point of apathy - sounds like an average NHS manager! I genuinely believe you could get rid of 30% of them without any noticeable drop in service quality.
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Post by johnc on Dec 23, 2021 9:11:42 GMT
Does nobody realise that many managers are like viruses - they just need to find a host to leach off, doing enough not to kill their host until another more attractive host comes along and they jump ship, forever perpetuating their existence and contributing nothing.
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Post by Stuntman on Dec 23, 2021 18:25:06 GMT
What's also frustrating is that the art of good management is almost never recognised and rewarded by the good manager's superiors. it's appreciated by the manager's team member though - good enough for me Anyway - Omicron. I think these current measures in the UK nations are something of an overreaction, given the speed and coverage of the booster rollout. I'm carrying on pretty much as normal - going to work in the Head Office, going down the pub, going to gigs etc. Wearing a mask to comply with the law and behaving responsibly to others of course, but not stopping doing anything that I would otherwise just do. Too much like scaremongering as far as I'm concerned. The caution is out of proportion to the threat.
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Post by johnc on Dec 23, 2021 18:49:58 GMT
I spoke to a client today who was getting pretty animated about those who wouldn't get vaccinated. He blamed them for over burdening the NHS, for killing cancer and other patients who can't get the treatment they require and for all the restrictions on his life that he feels are overkill. His solution is to restrict the unvaccinated from leaving home. In fact he was so animated about it, he would probably just lock them all up and throw away the key or worse.
If Omicron does turn out to be much less harmful to health then we need to get on with life before we destroy all the things we enjoy together with half the economy.
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Post by garry on Dec 24, 2021 8:19:43 GMT
I spoke to a client today who was getting pretty animated about those who wouldn't get vaccinated. He blamed them for over burdening the NHS, for killing cancer and other patients who can't get the treatment they require and for all the restrictions on his life that he feels are overkill. His solution is to restrict the unvaccinated from leaving home. In fact he was so animated about it, he would probably just lock them all up and throw away the key or worse. Replace unvaccinated with Jewish and you can see how this type of sentiment isn’t new. Circa 92% of the entire Scottish population aged 12 and over has now had at least one jab. So just like the Germans misdirected their ire, your client needs to think about the root cause of his situation. It’s obvious with hindsight that the real enemy of Germany was Adolf, but who is your clients real enemy? The 8% of jab refuseniks (some of whom can’t be vaccinated) or the people telling him that he needs to be afraid of the unclean and mandating that he can’t go to the footy?
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Post by alf on Dec 24, 2021 9:16:35 GMT
I’ve got the bloody thing - I got cold symptoms Monday, tested negative on a LF test Tuesday , tested negative again Wednesday at the 30 min mark but a while later there was the faintest hint of a mark on the positive line, I took another one not 2 hours later the line came out clear as day in seconds. Something of a mystery as I’d basically locked down again since the news about vaccine effectiveness but then we all tested and one of the twins was positive - must have got it from them on pretty much the last day of school (last Thursday). It was within a day or two of my booster so that had no chance.
Anyway from testing positive I went rapidlly downhill with a tremendous headache (I couldn’t even watch tv or read- certainly couldn’t have driven) and coughing of a deep, slightly panicky nature - you really worry if you’ll be able to breathe again. Bear in mind also I ran a 50k off road race in 5:30 per km pace 2 months ago and have kept my running up since then, and have a BMI of 22…But take it from me, milder or not, you don’t want this, and i can see how people could die or need hospitals.
Weirdly one twin is clear (suspect she had it first has they were both slightly under the weather a week ago) and so is Tina - but it seems to gestate for 6 days typically so she may yet get it. I moved into the spare room and am using that and one other , and a different bathroom, with mask wearing between them and lots of hand washing - but I strongly suspect Tina already has it … we all took a PCR yesterday so will hopefully find out soon!
Second Christmas buggered anyway - expect I’ll feel ok by the time I…. Start work again 🙄 so much for time off eh…. But stay safe people, you don’t want this. And re test later in the day if there is the slightest mark on the test even ages later. This is the illest I’ve been since flu 25 years ago.
Also amusing as I didn’t send cards out again this year - it seems a weird thing to do in a pandemic especially if licking the glue - people can thank me for that later as I’d probably have been infectious when sending them!!!
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 24, 2021 9:38:04 GMT
I was working on the assumption that experience is key and therefore a scheme to scale up adequate healthcare support (of a specific temporary nature) would work as follows.
- Already qualified nursing staff are selected to take the next steps to obtain additional experience to provide critical care. - New starters go through accelerated training to provide what I referred to as “ more basic medical support “ to begin the process to backfill the above. - Given that 1:1 ratios have been diluted to cover care gaps and less experienced nurses have already been diverted to support last year, surely locating patients with similar symptoms in the same area (dedicated temporary facility) means there is a greater likelihood of managing with larger nurse to patient ratios that appear to have worked already ?
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 24, 2021 9:55:16 GMT
Both boys had it at different times earlier this year, neither were particularly ill and no one else in the house got it (crucially they were not treated any differently and locked away in the rooms for the duration of isolation).
It’s interesting to note that despite being clearly very conscious of not putting yourself at risk and taking all of the measures seriously, you’ve still managed to catch it. Doesn’t that make you wonder that all of these measures might not have the impact you think and the simple fact is, if it’s going to get you, there is bugger all you can do about it.
The reason I have had the flu jab every year since 2015 is because I caught flu in 2014 and i have never been as ill before or since. At the time I was supremely fit and healthy, yet no one else in the house or anyone else I had come into contact with picked it up. It took me 6 months to shake off the last vestiges of that particular dose.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 24, 2021 10:08:18 GMT
It’s interesting to note that despite being clearly very conscious of not putting yourself at risk and taking all of the measures seriously, you’ve still managed to catch it. Doesn’t that make you wonder that all of these measures might not have the impact you think and the simple fact is, if it’s going to get you, there is bugger all you can do about it. Agreed. Majority of my 10yo’s class had it. Not she, her sister or us and because if stage school and gangshow duties we tested them a lot. I once worked with a guy on a project in Ireland and his point of view was “you’re predisposed to sickness. If you’re going to die of something horrible [that’s not an accident] you were destined for it and no change of lifestyle will alter your path.”
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Post by alf on Dec 24, 2021 10:25:02 GMT
Both boys had it at different times earlier this year, neither were particularly ill and no one else in the house got it (crucially they were not treated any differently and locked away in the rooms for the duration of isolation). It’s interesting to note that despite being clearly very conscious of not putting yourself at risk and taking all of the measures seriously, you’ve still managed to catch it. Doesn’t that make you wonder that all of these measures might not have the impact you think and the simple fact is, if it’s going to get you, there is bugger all you can do about it. The reason I have had the flu jab every year since 2015 is because I caught flu in 2014 and i have never been as ill before or since. At the time I was supremely fit and healthy, yet no one else in the house or anyone else I had come into contact with picked it up. It took me 6 months to shake off the last vestiges of that particular dose. Not really - it reinforces that young kids are skanky little scumbags. They totally fail to really take in anything you say about hygiene and constantly do ridiculous things…. Put 30 of them together all day without their parents and what do you expect?? As usual, young kids are the super-spreaders and yes it’s galling that all my own actions came to naught - but it won’t stop me trying! Actually I’ll be less worried now as I’ve had it 😀
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Post by garry on Dec 24, 2021 11:27:22 GMT
Anyway from testing positive I went rapidlly downhill with a tremendous headache (I couldn’t even watch tv or read- certainly couldn’t have driven) and coughing of a deep, slightly panicky nature - you really worry if you’ll be able to breathe again. Bear in mind also I ran a 50k off road race in 5:30 per km pace 2 months ago and have kept my running up since then, and have a BMI of 22… But take it from me, milder or not, you don’t want this, and i can see how people could die or need hospitals. How do you know it's Omicron?
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Post by garry on Dec 24, 2021 11:32:08 GMT
Both boys had it at different times earlier this year, neither were particularly ill and no one else in the house got it (crucially they were not treated any differently and locked away in the rooms for the duration of isolation). It’s interesting to note that despite being clearly very conscious of not putting yourself at risk and taking all of the measures seriously, you’ve still managed to catch it. Doesn’t that make you wonder that all of these measures might not have the impact you think and the simple fact is, if it’s going to get you, there is bugger all you can do about it. The reason I have had the flu jab every year since 2015 is because I caught flu in 2014 and i have never been as ill before or since. At the time I was supremely fit and healthy, yet no one else in the house or anyone else I had come into contact with picked it up. It took me 6 months to shake off the last vestiges of that particular dose. Not really - it reinforces that young kids are skanky little scumbags. They totally fail to really take in anything you say about hygiene and constantly do ridiculous things…. Put 30 of them together all day without their parents and what do you expect?? As usual, young kids are the super-spreaders and yes it’s galling that all my own actions came to naught - but it won’t stop me trying! Actually I’ll be less worried now as I’ve had it 😀 Like play together .
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Post by alf on Dec 24, 2021 11:33:59 GMT
Yep.
Little bastards 🤣
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 24, 2021 15:23:15 GMT
One of my colleagues flew home to Southampton Tues night and felt very ropey when he got home. He and his wife both took a test, she tested positive, him negative. They’ve both continued to display the same symptoms but he’s still testing negative and her positive.
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Post by alf on Dec 24, 2021 17:02:30 GMT
Tina has tested negative on lateral flow every day including today - but her PCR from yesterday just came back positive. One of the twins is clear - bet she had it first and is out the other side 🤣 Tina has barely any symptoms mind so maybe there is some merit in lateral flows showing if you’re infectious. Maybe . Anyway we can have a proper German Christmas now - I’ve emerged from my hibernation and stopped wearing a mask about the house !
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 24, 2021 21:07:37 GMT
Anyway we can have a proper German Christmas now - I’ve emerged from my hibernation and stopped wearing a mask about the house ! A proper German Christmas this year means no Brits and 2G testing oh - and mask wearing in many places too
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 24, 2021 21:37:00 GMT
It means right now. Like us. We’ve done food, presents and are now watching TV.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 24, 2021 22:45:47 GMT
Tina has tested negative on lateral flow every day including today - but her PCR from yesterday just came back positive. One of the twins is clear - bet she had it first and is out the other side 🤣 Tina has barely any symptoms mind so maybe there is some merit in lateral flows showing if you’re infectious. Maybe . Anyway we can have a proper German Christmas now - I’ve emerged from my hibernation and stopped wearing a mask about the house ! What a pile of pants! From what I hear you are by no means unique, though. At least you can all join in and be 'positive' together now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 12:29:24 GMT
I spoke to a client today who was getting pretty animated about those who wouldn't get vaccinated. He blamed them for over burdening the NHS, for killing cancer and other patients who can't get the treatment they require and for all the restrictions on his life that he feels are overkill. His solution is to restrict the unvaccinated from leaving home. In fact he was so animated about it, he would probably just lock them all up and throw away the key or worse. If Omicron does turn out to be much less harmful to health then we need to get on with life before we destroy all the things we enjoy together with half the economy. While some do not have a choice, those that can have the vaccine should do so. The current situation makes those of us with no choice in the matter look proper stupid.
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Post by rodge on Dec 25, 2021 13:11:04 GMT
My eldest was notified that she had been in contact with someone who tested positive. She took a test yesterday and it was clear, will take another and see what happens. She’s been advised to stay isolated for a few days and has no symptoms or anything.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 25, 2021 13:57:59 GMT
I spoke to a client today who was getting pretty animated about those who wouldn't get vaccinated. He blamed them for over burdening the NHS, for killing cancer and other patients who can't get the treatment they require and for all the restrictions on his life that he feels are overkill. His solution is to restrict the unvaccinated from leaving home. In fact he was so animated about it, he would probably just lock them all up and throw away the key or worse. If Omicron does turn out to be much less harmful to health then we need to get on with life before we destroy all the things we enjoy together with half the economy. While some do not have a choice, those that can have the vaccine should do so. The current situation makes those of us with no choice in the matter look proper stupid. Fortunately, Mike, there’s a pill now being rolled out specifically for people who can’t have the jab. Hopefully you’ll never need it, but it’s reassuring it’s now available.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 18:42:21 GMT
Always assuming I am around to take it. Not guaranteed.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 28, 2021 10:19:30 GMT
So the latest omicron advice in England is continue to use caution as you see fit. Go to a pub, go to football but understand the risks and if you fall ill stay at home. WFH where possible.
That sounds like normal life. With masks.
Also glad to see the first statements from the scientific community (Prof Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia) that in time people with Covid should be allowed to go about their normal lives as they would with a common cold.
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Post by humphreythepug on Dec 28, 2021 11:04:20 GMT
Well it took almost 2 years but we've had the first confirmed case of Covid at work; my sales manager, he reckons he picked it up from a friend he spent time with over Christmas who had confirmation she had it, on Boxing day.
One of the wife's friends has tested positive too over the Christmas period , probably only a matter of time until it becomes common amongst us and work, we've done well though as no cases at work and no cases with close and even not so close friends until now.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 28, 2021 12:11:11 GMT
I was doing a totting up yesterday and I’m the only one at work who hasn’t had it. Probably explains Hartlepool’s relatively low positivity rate at the moment.
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Post by johnc on Dec 28, 2021 16:10:15 GMT
I was doing a totting up yesterday and I’m the only one at work who hasn’t had it. Probably explains Hartlepool’s relatively low positivity rate at the moment. Or maybe you have had it and just didn't know! I know a few Doctors who have tested positive and they had absolutely no symptoms.
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Post by Martin on Dec 28, 2021 16:19:38 GMT
I was doing a totting up yesterday and I’m the only one at work who hasn’t had it. Probably explains Hartlepool’s relatively low positivity rate at the moment. Or maybe you have had it and just didn't know! I know a few Doctors who have tested positive and they had absolutely no symptoms. Exactly. Last summer we had an outbreak in one of my sites, so we organised for a mobile PCR testing unit. We tested everyone who was in work, all without any symptoms and roughly a third tested positive.
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Post by Alex on Dec 28, 2021 17:16:00 GMT
Thay goes with what Chris Whitty keeps banging on about in the latest government adverts that 1/3 of infected individuals show no symptoms and are completely unaware that they have it. I think it's now almost inevitable that all of will catch it at some point over the next 6 months or so. Best bet is to ensure you're jabbed and keep reasonably fit so that when it hits you it doesn't hit you too hard.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 28, 2021 18:37:23 GMT
I was doing a totting up yesterday and I’m the only one at work who hasn’t had it. Probably explains Hartlepool’s relatively low positivity rate at the moment. Or maybe you have had it and just didn't know! I know a few Doctors who have tested positive and they had absolutely no symptoms. No, I know I haven’t had it as I had a home blood test for antibodies as part of a medical surveillance programme I’m part of.
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