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Post by Big Blue on Dec 8, 2021 10:12:59 GMT
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Post by Martin on Dec 8, 2021 10:21:17 GMT
Or buy an iX and you'll be really safe, as it's got a 5 star rating and you wouldn't want to drive it when other people are around anyway. |
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Post by johnc on Dec 8, 2021 10:54:24 GMT
When that bombshell hits the tabloids and the 9 o'clock news the demand for the Zoe will disappear overnight.
I saw my first iX last night in white. It is quite a brute of a car. Too dark to see much detail but from the rear quarters it wasn't as bad as some of the photos suggest - but hardly a looker!
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 8, 2021 12:48:24 GMT
Bit of a shocker there from Renault. Think Humph might need to change his company car.
Euro Ncap results were a big thing about 15 years ago but then everything hit 5 stars we kinda forgot about them. Maybe the scores need to be put onto the cars screen in the showroom at point of sale as they do economy.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 8, 2021 12:50:27 GMT
When that bombshell hits the tabloids and the 9 o'clock news the demand for the Zoe will disappear overnight. I saw my first iX last night in white. It is quite a brute of a car. Too dark to see much detail but from the rear quarters it wasn't as bad as some of the photos suggest - but hardly a looker! A friend of mine has just opted back into the company car scheme and ordered an iX. I await its arrival with, not quite, baited breath. |
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Post by PG on Dec 8, 2021 16:47:23 GMT
Not only the Zoe, but the Dacia EV (a rebadge of some Chinese product) only got 1 star. Renault doing well there.
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Post by Alex on Dec 8, 2021 18:11:53 GMT
When that bombshell hits the tabloids and the 9 o'clock news the demand for the Zoe will disappear overnight. I saw my first iX last night in white. It is quite a brute of a car. Too dark to see much detail but from the rear quarters it wasn't as bad as some of the photos suggest - but hardly a looker! A friend of mine has just opted back into the company car scheme and ordered an iX. I await its arrival with, not quite, baited breath. Given the current BIK rate for EVs that is a very sensible move. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 8, 2021 18:28:32 GMT
A friend of mine has just opted back into the company car scheme and ordered an iX. I await its arrival with, not quite, baited breath. Given the current BIK rate for EVs that is a very sensible move. Even with the BIK rate, I wouldn't/couldn't and he shouldn't! I wonder if he's gone for the 70s snooker club ashtray iDrive option? |
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 8, 2021 18:51:58 GMT
The Zoe is about 9 years old so has fallen well behind the current NCAP requirements. Move along, nothing to see here ... ..
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Post by Alex on Dec 9, 2021 13:01:50 GMT
Given the current BIK rate for EVs that is a very sensible move. Even with the BIK rate, I wouldn't/couldn't and he shouldn't! I wonder if he's gone for the 70s snooker club ashtray iDrive option? I was thinking about going for an EV rather than which one he's chosen and I agree the choice is rather questionable but then we say the same about those who buy Rolls Royce Cullinan when in fact being inside of one probably more than makes up for the exterior design. Likewise with he iX I suspect the interior will be a rather pleasant place to be so who cares what it looks like from outside when you can sit in a nice comfy cabin and smugly enjoy paying f* all in tax for the privilege. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 9, 2021 13:26:01 GMT
Even with the BIK rate, I wouldn't/couldn't and he shouldn't! I wonder if he's gone for the 70s snooker club ashtray iDrive option? I was thinking about going for an EV rather than which one he's chosen and I agree the choice is rather questionable but then we say the same about those who buy Rolls Royce Cullinan when in fact being inside of one probably more than makes up for the exterior design. Likewise with he iX I suspect the interior will be a rather pleasant place to be so who cares what it looks like from outside when you can sit in a nice comfy cabin and smugly enjoy paying f* all in tax for the privilege. I think the issue he had was that he was wanting to swop his 430d Grand Coupe for an X3 but was unable to get a deal from BMW comparable to mine. Then they offered him an iX at a good deal as I think they want to get some out on the roads and visible. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2021 13:35:58 GMT
Even with the BIK rate, I wouldn't/couldn't and he shouldn't! I wonder if he's gone for the 70s snooker club ashtray iDrive option? I was thinking about going for an EV rather than which one he's chosen and I agree the choice is rather questionable but then we say the same about those who buy Rolls Royce Cullinan when in fact being inside of one probably more than makes up for the exterior design. Likewise with he iX I suspect the interior will be a rather pleasant place to be so who cares what it looks like from outside when you can sit in a nice comfy cabin and smugly enjoy paying f* all in tax for the privilege. Yes, I get the tax benefit from running an EV, but that's only part of the story and it still has to be paid for. I'd much rather take the cash and buy my own car, yes it's more money overall but I think it's worth the extra at this point. One of my team who came out of a 530e into a Model 3 LR asked me today if he could put it back in the pool and order a new 530e. The main reason is cost, the tax is next to nothing of course, but because he has such a long commute (180 miles round trip every day) and he only gets 4p a mile for business, it's not really saving anything overall. He's on an EV tariff at home, but only for 4 hours which isn't enough so he's into more expensive electric and more Supercharger stops than he expected. He liked the performance for a couple of days, but now he's in a car he doesn't like anywhere near as much as the BMW and is driving everywhere slowly trying to maximise the range. The answer was no BTW, I told him he should have figured all that out before ordering one! I've not sat inside an iX to be fair, but it doesn't look all that pleasant to me....   |
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 9, 2021 14:21:48 GMT
Well I went over to Autogefühl to watch the iX test and the option of microfibre cloth seats would be a massive plus from me. The rear looks ok but the schnozz is still a bit too grim. Thomas agreed on the interior cut-glassware, even saying the normal iDrive controller gave better feedback. Then he slated BMW OS8 having foamed over OS7 when he tested the 530/545e.
On another note my friend is going for either a Kia EV6 or Hyundai Ioniq5 for his new company car. He only drives round SW London and the west end, and to the golf club. He can charge in the factory for nowt and works mental hours so is hardly ever in traffic. I think the business owner got fed up with his 6’6” tall, most senior manager turning up in an iQ every day and is just giving him a new car 😆
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 9, 2021 14:34:59 GMT
Well I went over to Autogefühl to watch the iX test and the option of microfibre cloth seats would be a massive plus from me. The rear looks ok but the schnozz is still a bit too grim. Thomas agreed on the interior cut-glassware, even saying the normal iDrive controller gave better feedback. Then he slated BMW OS8 having foamed over OS7 when he tested the 530/545e. On another note my friend is going for either a Kia EV6 or Hyundai Ioniq5 for his new company car. He only drives round SW London and the west end, and to the golf club. He can charge in the factory for nowt and works mental hours so is hardly ever in traffic. I think the business owner got fed up with his 6’6” tall, most senior manager turning up in an iQ every day and is just giving him a new car 😆 The one thing my friend did say was that he really liked the interior and the cloth seats were lovely. |
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Post by Blarno on Dec 9, 2021 15:35:29 GMT
So not only does it have the ashtray from a 1970s working men's club as an iDrive controller, it has the "wood" from my Dad's old TEAC hi-fi. Add that to the velour-esque seats and the awful steering wheel and you've pretty much got a Rover SD1.
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2021 15:44:20 GMT
So not only does it have the ashtray from a 1970s working men's club as an iDrive controller, it has the "wood" from my Dad's old TEAC hi-fi. Add that to the velour-esque seats and the awful steering wheel and you've pretty much got a Rover SD1. That's harsh. I liked the SD1 back in its day. |
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 9, 2021 16:07:43 GMT
Thing is, SD-1s were really nice places to be in their era so taking those themes and updating them isn’t such a loony idea.
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Post by garry on Dec 9, 2021 16:34:12 GMT
If you could get the Wheeltappers and Shunters Social club playing on that big screen at the front, the iX would look just like my Grandads lounge in 1975. They'd need to make the ceiling yellow for proper authenticity.
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Post by Tim on Dec 9, 2021 16:48:01 GMT
Thing is, SD-1s were really nice places to be in their era so taking those themes and updating them isn’t such a loony idea. Yes but the alternatives were perhaps not of a decent standard compared with now when you can do much better in a lot of other cars. The dash and steering wheel look pretty poor. |
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Post by Alex on Dec 9, 2021 16:49:56 GMT
I don't think the interior looks that bad but I agree the iDrive controller really doesn't suit, particularly as there is only wood in that area. I wonder if the glass ashtray style controller would look better against either a darker wood or brushed metal panel. The steering wheel doesn't look right and has clearly had to have a larger gap between the top of the wheel and the hub to accommodate such a large instrument screen. It's evidently an afterthought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 18:14:35 GMT
I find the dash looks like it was put together out of offcut materials, by a five year old with a squint. Considering how much they cost, the quality seems to not be there.
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Post by PG on Dec 9, 2021 18:32:37 GMT
Time must have started going backwards. The 1970's are definitely back. They even copied the quartec steering wheel off the Allegro. The fabric of those seats has some fancy same, but basically it's 1970's velour. I think if you drive the iX for too long, you'll wake up one day and decide to wear flares, cheese-cloth shirts and get your hair permed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 20:07:46 GMT
That would be difficult, not enough left.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 11, 2021 7:59:36 GMT
The steering wheel doesn't look right and has clearly had to have a larger gap between the top of the wheel and the hub to accommodate such a large instrument screen. It's evidently an afterthought. A sign of aesthetics giving way to functionality. Steering wheels are traditionally round and we look at this aesthetic from the view of a rear seat passenger. When in the driver’s seat we don’t spend a lot of time looking at it but we do hold it and look through it. So rather than being an afterthought it’s just been developed differently to a lifelong norm of a perfect circle. That Harry bloke eulogised over the Lotus wheel with straight sections where your hands go. |
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Post by humphreythepug on Dec 11, 2021 10:59:37 GMT
The Zoe is about 9 years old so has fallen well behind the current NCAP requirements. Move along, nothing to see here ... .. Yep largely this, Renault have changed some side airbags recently which don't perform as well, I have been lead to believe that if the airbags hadn't been changed then it would have likely been a 1 star car, also the entry level Play spec was tested, this doesn't have lane keep assist which would have increased the scoring, nor AEBS, (however this has been removed temporarily from all ZOE, due to the chip shortage). NCAP protocols generally change every 2 years, it's no wonder that a car launched in 2013 which is largely unchanged in 2021 has performed so badly in a far more stringent test. Our sister branch did have someone kicking off about their ZOE that they had owned for 18m and now wouldn't be using it based on the zero star result and what where we going to be doing about it as they still had 2.5 years left on their PCP, their concerns were sent in the direction of Renault UK. Personally I think it will blow over and be forgotten about in a week or 2, safety ratings is no longer something that tends to be asked about anymore, I think because everyone just assumes all cars are 5 star. |
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