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Post by johnc on Jul 5, 2017 10:01:48 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 5, 2017 10:16:00 GMT
Makes sense. Puts them at the forefront of technology.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 6, 2017 10:26:46 GMT
Big shout, I'm not sure about hybrid as it currently sits or electric. However its not as if they're providing us anything with a proper engine currently in the line up.
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Post by PG on Jul 6, 2017 12:44:49 GMT
.. However its not as if they're providing us anything with a proper engine currently in the line up. Quite. The T8 hybrid is about the only interesting "engine" they produce now. So this is just continuing down a path they'd already chosen. What has been eye-opening, as usual sadly, is the total lack of knowledge of most people - press included - about the whole area. A hybrid is not an electric car - as the headlines implied. |
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Post by michael on Jul 6, 2017 13:13:07 GMT
I liked the T8 I had for a day. It was plenty powerful but not very economical, most of the time it was doing around 20mpg. The fuel tank is also quite small and I'm told only good for 350 miles and at that point the only real advantage over a Tesla type system is time to refuel.
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 6, 2017 16:14:50 GMT
From a purity of concept perspective, I don't like HEVs or PHEVs at all. I simply cannot agree with the logic that the (considerable) added weight of an electric drive train to a vehicle already powered by an ICE reduces fuel economy, emissions and overall user carbon foot print
It's nothing more than an engineering frig to achieve a completely artificial score in a completely unrealistic fuel economy test cycle. Unfortunately it's a route that manufacturers are being forced down to meet corporate economy and emissions targets that are measured on that completely unrealistic fuel economy test cycle.
BEVs I get and there is no doubt that electric propulsion is the future, but I cannot see how the world's infrastructure can adapt quickly enough to meet the demands that would be placed upon it if certain industry targets (pipe dreams) are to be realised.
Ignoring how the electricity is generated in the first instance and assuming that you live on a modern housing estate with it's mandated industrial socket - what exactly is going to happen when the occupants of 10 houses out of 20 all try to charge their EVs off peak in the evening ?
It's manageable at the moment when it's just a couple of early adopters with their Teslas - but when half your street are plugging the buggers in ever night, can the feed from substation to the houses handle these loads ?
I think wholesale adoption of BEV will require significant advances in self sufficient generation of electricity.
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Post by PG on Jul 7, 2017 12:39:53 GMT
I think wholesale adoption of BEV will require significant advances in self sufficient generation of electricity. Very true. I read somewhere a log time ago that if we wanted to generate power for all the cars on the road (not lorries and buses) from renewable sources and decided that offshore wind was one answer, you'd have to cover pretty much the whole UK coastline with about a mile deep of turbines. Or build another 10 Hinkley nuclear stations. |
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Post by johnc on Jul 7, 2017 13:04:18 GMT
I see that France are going to ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2040. I'll be getting a bit long in the tooth by then but I am going to have to sample a few more must have fossil fuelled cars before then.
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Post by Tim on Jul 7, 2017 13:34:44 GMT
I read it as they were going to ban all NEW petrol & diesel so as long as you have something decent you'll still be able to use it.
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Post by johnc on Jul 7, 2017 14:54:42 GMT
I read it as they were going to ban all NEW petrol & diesel so as long as you have something decent you'll still be able to use it. I wonder what that will do for the supply chain for petrol & diesel - you might need a 100 mile round trip just to fill up! |
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Post by PG on Jul 7, 2017 15:08:20 GMT
I read it as they were going to ban all NEW petrol & diesel so as long as you have something decent you'll still be able to use it. I wonder what that will do for the supply chain for petrol & diesel - you might need a 100 mile round trip just to fill up! Agreed. Things will go full circle! When you can't be sure to make a journey in an ICE car as there may not be a petrol station, you'll know that electric /hydrogen has taken over. It'll be like Mad Max - people, with triple tanks in their vehicles and a secret supply of fuel at home under armed guard..... |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 7, 2017 20:41:26 GMT
I read it as they were going to ban all NEW petrol & diesel so as long as you have something decent you'll still be able to use it. I wonder what that will do for the supply chain for petrol & diesel - you might need a 100 mile round trip just to fill up! It will be interesting to see what happens to the filling stations as the number of cars on the road needing fuel falls. What will the oil companies do with the oil that would normally be turned into petrol and diesel? |
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Post by Alex on Jul 7, 2017 21:02:30 GMT
I wonder what that will do for the supply chain for petrol & diesel - you might need a 100 mile round trip just to fill up! It will be interesting to see what happens to the filling stations as the number of cars on the road needing fuel falls. What will the oil companies do with the oil that would normally be turned into petrol and diesel? It's still needed for plastic and don't forget the third world is increasing its use of petrol. As for filling stations they can instead be full of batteries, that way car makers can come up with a universal type of battery that can be instantly replaced thus negating the issue of time to recharge. |
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Post by PG on Jul 8, 2017 6:36:46 GMT
If BEV's or Hydrogen become dominant then that will be the future of service stations secured. With some of the charging far higher charging rates being researched, drive in and charge recharge areas will become feasible and necessary. They just won't stock any petrol or diesel.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jul 10, 2017 8:34:00 GMT
Well for now I'd better enjoy 329bhp and 22mpg.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 10, 2017 10:10:22 GMT
I wonder what that will do for the supply chain for petrol & diesel - you might need a 100 mile round trip just to fill up! It will be interesting to see what happens to the filling stations as the number of cars on the road needing fuel falls. What will the oil companies do with the oil that would normally be turned into petrol and diesel? More importantly, if all the filling stations close where will you get a Ginsters Cornish Pasty at 2am in the morning? |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 10, 2017 10:27:16 GMT
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Possibly Tesco Extra stores that stay open all night, not sure if any other supermarket chains do similar.
Can all the oil products that usually get refined to petrol and diesel be "converted" into plastics?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 10, 2017 10:31:42 GMT
^ Possibly Tesco Extra stores that stay open all night, not sure if any other supermarket chains do similar. Can all the oil products that usually get refined to petrol and diesel be "converted" into plastics? I doubt it - less than 5% of oil goes to make plastics. |
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Post by alf on Jul 10, 2017 11:34:59 GMT
I've tried to do the "quote" thing to CB's post a few times but can't work out how. Hey-ho.
But anyway, the electricity generation - and delivery - angles are a massive area of required improvement here. Who is going to pay for it, and do the work, and when? The village I live in (effectively a suburb of Winchester with a few thousand people in it) had massive problems for years with power supply - it regularly cut out for hours at a time. Separately, at one point just our little close lost power for most of a day as it was just the cable running into us that failed, and none of us reported it at first since bigger issues were so common then! It took the local MP and all sorts of action groups to get the electricity company to put in a failsafe line, which was then loads of roadworks and hassle. But that's just a failsafe to the substation - imagine if, on top of the one-mile deep turbines around all of our coast to generate power, we needed to upgrade a substantial % of the cables leading to people's houses, and then the power cables in those houses themselves. Given that we are always being told that there is a risk of blackouts as the energy supply industry is under-investing, it is a real concern if we are suddenly all going to be driving plug-in vehicles in a relatively short period of time.
Writing that makes me consider investing in the companies that provide the infrastructure for electricity production and distribution!
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Post by johnc on Jul 10, 2017 11:51:45 GMT
Writing that makes me consider investing in the companies that provide the infrastructure for electricity production and distribution! Yeh but if Jeremy gets in they will all be nationalised! |
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