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Post by johnc on Oct 15, 2021 7:53:24 GMT
I love the thought that has gone in to the shape of the top rear corner of the internal window surround on the doors. When you open the door and get out, the door surround is shaped like another handle and allows you to help close the door. It just feels so natural and it is on both the front and rear doors. I was only reminded of this when I was in a 7 series last night and it was the same.
Is there any small subtle design detail that you have found that both surprised and delighted you at the same time?
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 15, 2021 9:53:08 GMT
The original Renault Scenic had a parcel shelf that would fit either in its usual place, or half way up the boot on rails moulded into the side trim. It would also slide down the back of the rear seats when they were upright and stay in position there against further moulded bits of the rear side panels, keeping it safely stowed whilst allowing use of full height of the boot. No other car I've had, before or after (including the Captur) has had this level of thought incorporated into the parcel shelf.
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Post by scouse on Oct 15, 2021 11:20:13 GMT
I know it's old-tech, but the arm that reaches out with the seatbelt from the B pillar when you start the car. Not a big thing, but when you're big around the shoulders/chest and have a fucked up lower back, it's a God send.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 15, 2021 12:32:35 GMT
I love the thought that has gone in to the shape of the top rear corner of the internal window surround on the doors. When you open the door and get out, the door surround is shaped like another handle and allows you to help close the door. It just feels so natural and it is on both the front and rear doors. I was only reminded of this when I was in a 7 series last night and it was the same. Is there any small subtle design detail that you have found that both surprised and delighted you at the same time? I found myself thinking "does my car have this?" and then remembered it has frameless doors... Which is in fact one of my favourite features of the car - really helps it feel more special than a normal 4dr saloon. I also like the way the leather-clad rear seat back curves forwards at the sides to meet the trailing edges of the rear doors, vaguely similar to the way it does on a Phantom - it feels plusher.
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Post by Martin on Oct 15, 2021 14:22:47 GMT
It's a good question and I wonder if the 7 is the same as the 5, but I never noticed! Similar to the point Racing makes, I liked the 'door to door' leather on the 7, I guess that's to be expected, but the surprising part was the B Pillar being covered in leather (up to where the headliner starts) with a nice contrast double stitch which lined up with the armrest in the door. Just a shame it didn't have an Alcantara headliner. You can see it if you zoom in on this picture.
I also liked the way the tweeters lit up, but I know that's not to everyones taste. With my current car, the thing I appreciate every day is not only the steering wheel moving up out of the way (which is normal with electric wheels), the seat drops down to the lowest setting and the suspension goes into access mode so it feels like you are being dropped off whenever you park up. There's even more leather than there was in the 7, which makes it feel pretty special inside. Doesn't really fit in the design detail bracket, more functionality, but being able to control the seats from the touchscreen was a surprise. Having the ability to put the rears up and down feels a bit pointless (use the buttons inside the boot), but it is useful to be able to change the memory setting on the passenger seat before someone gets in (you can do the same for both rears) and also being able to power the rear armrest up out of the way. I also like the blind spot warning in the rear doors (clear exit monitor iirc) and the proper fridge, that's been great in the summer. The rear seats are very adjustable (10 way inc lumbar) and even more comfortable than the 7 series, I'd say they are even better than the standard Phantom seats which before now were the most comfortable I've sat in. Not that I sit in the rear seats in mine.
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Post by PG on Oct 18, 2021 8:41:55 GMT
I still love the rotating air vets on the XFR. Pure theatre and totally unnecessary, but such a good "gimmick".
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Post by Grampa on Oct 18, 2021 10:08:04 GMT
I love all the creases in the body of the Scirocco - every one is a perfect curve and flows so smoothly into the next panel.
In the Mini it's the way door mouldings light up a pattern with hidden lights at night (in the day they're plain silver).
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Post by Grampa on Oct 18, 2021 10:09:14 GMT
I love the thought that has gone in to the shape of the top rear corner of the internal window surround on the doors. When you open the door and get out, the door surround is shaped like another handle and allows you to help close the door. It just feels so natural and it is on both the front and rear doors. I was only reminded of this when I was in a 7 series last night and it was the same. Is there any small subtle design detail that you have found that both surprised and delighted you at the same time? I found myself thinking "does my car have this?" and then remembered it has frameless doors... Which is in fact one of my favourite features of the car - really helps it feel more special than a normal 4dr saloon. I love frameless doors - more than half of my cars have had them, and it does indeed make the car feel special. Does anyone make a frameless 4 door car?
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 18, 2021 10:45:47 GMT
Um mine is a 4dr.
Frameless four doors from memory include nearly all German coupaloons/fastbacks:
Mercedes CLA and CLS All BMW Gran Coupes from 2 to 8. Audi A5 and A7 Sportbacks VW Passat CC and Arteon
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Post by Blarno on Oct 18, 2021 14:59:43 GMT
Um mine is a 4dr. Frameless four doors from memory include nearly all German coupaloons/fastbacks: Mercedes CLA and CLS All BMW Gran Coupes from 2 to 8. Audi A5 and A7 Sportbacks VW Passat CC and Arteon Plus the original Subaru Legacy and Impreza
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Post by Martin on Oct 18, 2021 15:59:29 GMT
The Model 3 and Model S both have frameless doors.
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Post by garry on Oct 18, 2021 16:15:51 GMT
The way the charging point opens on the etron always makes me smile. It feels like something off Star Trek
The flex 7 seating on the zafira is a very smart piece of efficient design
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Post by Martin on Oct 18, 2021 16:22:19 GMT
The way the charging point opens on the etron always makes me smile. It feels like something off Star Trek The flex 7 seating on the zafira is a very smart piece of efficient design Is it electric like the Taycan?
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Post by Stuntman on Oct 18, 2021 18:10:15 GMT
On the Cayman I like the mode switch on the steering wheel, where I can deploy my preferred throttle, exhaust, damping, auto blip and stability control settings in individual mode with a quarter turn to the left and then switch back to normal mode with a quarter turn the other way. I also like its relatively subtle exterior (per my particular spec) and have really warmed to its overall look and feel as a car.
On the M3, the M button does similar for steering, throttle, damping and stability control. I also love various exterior details of the M3 which make the car look very purposeful but which are also relatively cohesive and even subtle. In particular the flared wheel arches, the quad exhausts, the whole front bumper, the mirrors and the small vents on the side.
On the Yaris it's mostly to do with the exterior. Aside from the massively flared wheel arches, I like the various (relatively) subtle aerodynamic addenda, and how big the brakes are relative to the size and weight of the car.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 18, 2021 18:49:56 GMT
Difficult to answer on Eva, but I like the rear lights not being three layers behind a plastic cover so they stand out nicely. I also like the hockey stick LEDs at the front, the main reason for choosing the optional lights as opposed to wanting the voodoo lighting.
The LED ambient lighting is also a huge step up from the F11.
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Post by michael on Oct 18, 2021 19:10:24 GMT
On the Cayman I like the mode switch on the steering wheel, where I can deploy my preferred throttle, exhaust, damping, auto blip and stability control settings in individual mode with a quarter turn to the left and then switch back to normal mode with a quarter turn the other way. That steering wheel cost £20million to develop. I like the rear bumper on the discovery in that it is designed such it can be stood on. If you make use of the roof carrying capabilities of the car it’s important to be able to access the roof easily to attach and secure loads. The new Discovery doesn’t have such a bumper but the Defender does.
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Post by humphreythepug on Oct 18, 2021 19:34:16 GMT
The flex 7 seating on the zafira is a very smart piece of efficient design At launch yes it was a great piece of design, however I always felt that the Grand Scenic (launched a couple of years later), did it far better: - Want to put seats 6 and 7 up in the Zafira, you have to fold up and slide the whole centre bench forward, if the seats are occupied the occupants have to get out; massive faff if there are kids and car seats, in the Grand Scenic, open the boot and pull the tabs, the seats fold out, want them folded away just pull the tab again, push on the seats and they fold on themselves into the floor, the Zafira, slide the whole centre row forward.......
- Lack of legroom in seats 6 and 7 in the Zafira, the whole centre bench has to move forward, in the Grand Scenic, each centre seat slides, independently.
- Need to load up the car for a tip run, all 3 centre seats in the Grand Scenic come out (sometimes, a, pain to put back!), the Zafira, the bench folds up and slides forward, OK a pretty good bit of design but you still have a good foot of folded seat depth left in the car.
- Want to carry something long but not particularly wide and a couple of passengers, you can't in a Zafira as the whole bench has to slide forward, you can in a Grand Scenic as the middle seats slide and remove independently.
Vauxhall used this design right up until the Zafira Tourer, where other marques such as Citroen on the Grand Picasso used a similar and far more practical system to the Renault.
Honda Jazz, fantastic folding rear seats, Meriva wasn't too bad either, Renault tried it with the Modus and it was a pretty poor effort, better on the Grand Modus but not a patch on the Jazz.
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Post by garry on Oct 19, 2021 5:31:25 GMT
The way the charging point opens on the etron always makes me smile. It feels like something off Star Trek The flex 7 seating on the zafira is a very smart piece of efficient design Is it electric like the Taycan? Yep
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 19, 2021 9:26:53 GMT
The one thing I realised this morning I really liked about the mighty Skoda, but didn't fully appreciate, was the radar-controlled cruise. Right about the time a moron in a Juke pulled out about 50 yards in front of me this morning and the Kia didn't slow down by itself!!
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Post by johnc on Oct 19, 2021 10:00:49 GMT
The one thing I realised this morning I really liked about the mighty Skoda, but didn't fully appreciate, was the radar-controlled cruise. Right about the time a moron in a Juke pulled out about 50 yards in front of me this morning and the Kia didn't slow down by itself!! I hope not having radar cruise doesn't irritate you too much Ian. It winds me up a bit in the i-Pace when I find that it has slowed me down to 60mph without me realising just because the numpty in front can't keep a steady speed. Enjoy the new car which in my opinion is a pretty good looking vehicle.
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Post by Martin on Oct 19, 2021 10:14:40 GMT
Voodoo cruise would be so much better if people could drive at a steady speed, which most seem to be incapable of. That means it often annoys me on the motorway, so I really only use it in average speed limits and when it really is brilliant, in slow moving or stop/start traffic as it keeps you in the centre of the lane as well.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 19, 2021 14:20:20 GMT
Rather than the "simply clever" features that Skoda play on, what I tend to notice more is the "simply stupid" or "simply crass" "features", like the way that the rear seatbelts of the Captur have no clips to hold them out of the way when you fold the seats down and they invariably get in the way of the lock mechanism when folding the seats back up, risking damage. Don't the car designers ever get to live with prototypes to see what idiotic things they have designed in? The rear parcel shelf of the Captur is a bit of a nightmare to, such a shape that trying to stick it into the boot to go onto the boot floor, or down the back of the rear seats to keep it out of the way becomes hugely difficult; the cruise control buttons on the steering wheel of the Kuga are all flat and feel identical so trying to set or alter speed is difficult without looking down. The previous design of wheel had different shaped switches for each function (fitted to the C-Max as well) and so so much easier/safer to use.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 19, 2021 16:06:06 GMT
The Fiat's rife with great little design features - in a way that's its main thang.
But one of the things I most like about my wife's 500 is the interior colour scheme, which features cream plastics and leather trimmings (the so-called "Ivory Ambience"). It ought by rights to be horrid (cream plastics?!?) but it isn't. Combined with the body colour dash panel (white in this case) and jazzy half red and half cream fabric seats, it's just a fun, fresh and funky sort of place to be.
500s with the "Black Ambience" and oft-specified grey tweedy seats don't look anywhere near as jolly and appealing.
I don't know why more manufacturers don't offer more fun and/or homely interiors. Volvo gets it interiors-wise but I don't really care for the actual cars. I really don't like the black/grey monotone plastic landscape in so many modern cars.
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2021 16:41:44 GMT
Compared with other M cars I love the way the M5 has the big wheels stuffed into the wheelarches (at the rear at least)
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 19, 2021 19:52:05 GMT
I don't know why more manufacturers don't offer more fun and/or homely interiors. Volvo gets it interiors-wise but I don't really care for the actual cars. I really don't like the black/grey monotone plastic landscape in so many modern cars. I was invited to a pre-launch preview of the Kadjar; the car on display had a very nice cream interior and a number of us at the event remarked how nice it was and how it lifted the interior. We were told that UK-spec cars wouldn't get this option, only black. The reason was apparently because so many cars sold in the UK were company-owned and they knew that the keepers wouldn't look after them, and a light-coloured interior would show more dirt and be harder to clean for good resale value. So it appears that company car ownership is what drives the dull interiors of a lot of cars sold in the UK
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Post by rodge on Oct 20, 2021 2:44:03 GMT
The third row of seats in the X5 is great. They are comfortable for smaller people and the thing I really like is that there’s a vent that can be directed to each passenger if needed.
I remember discovering a torch in the glovebox in my E46 years ago and being really surprised at that. It was a detail I didn’t expect, having bought it privately. A few months later, I found the first aid kit too. Not sure BMW still include things like that.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 20, 2021 7:00:59 GMT
On the Benz I really like the adjustable side bolsters on the driver's seat which means that I can have the seat wrapped around me. I really sit in the seat, rather than on it and together with the multi-level, multi-adjustable lumbar support it is an extremely comfortable place to be. The voodoo cruise and voodoo lights are also superb.
On the Mini the head up display is a must-have to overcome the style-over-ergonomics design of the main dashboard.
On the Standard it is the group of remote greasing points under the bonnet, which reduces the amount of crawling around under the car required.
On the Alvis it is the fact that all the brightwork is nickel plated, rather than vulgar, modern chrome!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 20, 2021 7:09:16 GMT
The Fiat's rife with great little design features - in a way that's its main thang. But one of the things I most like about my wife's 500 is the interior colour scheme, which features cream plastics and leather trimmings (the so-called "Ivory Ambience"). It ought by rights to be horrid (cream plastics?!?) but it isn't. Combined with the body colour dash panel (white in this case) and jazzy half red and half cream fabric seats, it's just a fun, fresh and funky sort of place to be. 500s with the "Black Ambience" and oft-specified grey tweedy seats don't look anywhere near as jolly and appealing. I don't know why more manufacturers don't offer more fun and/or homely interiors. Volvo gets it interiors-wise but I don't really care for the actual cars. I really don't like the black/grey monotone plastic landscape in so many modern cars. The 500s also have that clever front passenger seat base that tips forward to reveal a cubby for valuables to be hidden from prying eyes.
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Post by Tim on Oct 20, 2021 7:45:15 GMT
The third row of seats in the X5 is great. They are comfortable for smaller people and the thing I really like is that there’s a vent that can be directed to each passenger if needed. I remember discovering a torch in the glovebox in my E46 years ago and being really surprised at that. It was a detail I didn’t expect, having bought it privately. A few months later, I found the first aid kit too. Not sure BMW still include things like that. My 1992 Shogun had vents for the rearmost passengers as did my Alphard. BMW don't appear to do the torch anymore but the first aid kit is still there, albeit I think it's in the spare wheel well now (must go out and check in case the parcel of stuff there is actually something else more exciting
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Post by Martin on Oct 20, 2021 7:51:51 GMT
On the Benz I really like the adjustable side bolsters on the driver's seat which means that I can have the seat wrapped around me. I really sit in the seat, rather than on it and together with the multi-level, multi-adjustable lumbar support it is an extremely comfortable place to be. The voodoo cruise and voodoo lights are also superb. On the Mini the head up display is a must-have to overcome the style-over-ergonomics design of the main dashboard. On the Standard it is the group of remote greasing points under the bonnet, which reduces the amount of crawling around under the car required. On the Alvis it is the fact that all the brightwork is nickel plated, rather than vulgar, modern chrome! Seats with a wide range of adjustability are excellent (24 way in my car) and even better when you're not the only driver as you can get it perfect and don't have to compromise. The Golf has memory seats, but you can't adjust the bolsters, the headrests are manual and the steering column is too. It's much better than a manual seat but not quite there. You could set the side bolsters in the 7 to be tighter when it was in Sport mode (either driver only or both front seats) which was a good feature. Thinking of other things to add to the list..... Remote fuel burning heater and the ability to cool the car through the app. (one of the things that appeals about an electric car) Rear passenger air vents in the roof (by the grab handle) which help cool the car down quicker than ones lower down in the centre console or B pillar, helped by a particularly powerful fan. Panoramic roof blind that closes when you turn the car off, then opens to exactly the same position it was set at when you start up again Cabin Ioniser. Every summer I suffer with hay fever/runny eyes when driving, but not for the last 2 summers.
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