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Post by Sav on Oct 13, 2021 21:55:15 GMT
www.planetf1.com/news/helmut-marko-kelvin-van-der-linde-ban/I don't understand stewards. You can rub doors with someone, and it gets a five-second penalty. Whack them so hard and that it causes the other car to retire, also a five-second penalty. I generally don't like penalties, except for grossly bad driving. Grosjean at Spa and this Van der Linde bloke are some of the rare examples where the penalties need to be harsh.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 14, 2021 8:53:06 GMT
Yes a daft state of affairs to be sure. How you only get 5 seconds is beyond me for that one. Still Liams obviously a major talent with better days in front of him and finishing second in the championship won't keep him out of F1 in a year or two.
I've never had issues with Helmut Marko. Anyone who can drive a 917 at 250Mph and win Le Mans at an average speed of 140mph is all right in my book.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 14, 2021 11:39:22 GMT
^ The same Helmut Marko who about 18 months ago wanted all the Red Bull team to go out and catch covid, and recover from it so that they'd no longer have to worry about it?
The 5 second penalty does seem ludicrously small punishment form the offence; Alonso has recently spoken out about how some punishments appear to be altered depending on the person/nationality involved; Lewis has previously spoken out about how race affects race penalties.... there's clearly still something awry in the way that motorsport punishments are determined and handed out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 12:19:20 GMT
It is past time for a common standard in stewarding and perhaps the only way to achieve this is to hire a team of stewards who go to every race meet rather than have locals do the job. The fact is the standard is not consistent. Crashjean should never have lasted as long as he did. Perhaps all noob drivers can be assessed before the gp season too.
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Post by Sav on Oct 14, 2021 22:08:54 GMT
Ed is right, Lawson is a major talent and the way he has combined F2 and DTM for 2021 has been very impressive. Right from the first round in Monza, it was like he was a GT3-veteran. There have been some prior clashes between Lawson and van der Linde. I have no doubt that it influenced van der Linde's decision to try and take out Lawson. The worst aspect is, he repeated the same move on Sunday. On Saturday it didn't quite work out, on Sunday it most definitely did - he broke the steering on Lawson's Ferrari. I think some people, including van der Linde, was jealous of Lawson. Some youngster comes into a series filled with GT3 veterans and starts outpacing them. Lawson is exceptional, he will go far.
If you look at minute three, that gets a five-second penalty:
Attempt to wipe out a championship rival two days in a row, that also gets a five-second penalty. The world has gone mad.
Its a shame because I really enjoyed DTM in 2021. DTM needed a crisis to force the series to abandon its niche carbon-bodied silhouettes for something that teams can afford, and a plug-and-play solution. GT3 isn't particular imaginative, but undoubtedly its introduced new brands to DTM, the cars don't become undrivable with a bit of panel-rubbing, and you don't need DRS or other gimmicks. A lot less aero sensitive too. Sure, the old DTM cars would thrash GT3 cars. But in return you get much better racing, and the fact that DTM is now a sportscar series does not bother me in the slightest. Not sure how Germany survives having three headline GT3 championships, but it somehow works.
Ed I agree about Marko's achievements as a driver, no doubting that. But his comments sometimes are a bit silly, like after the Silverstone and the Hamilton and Verstappen crash. Some of his suggestions are headline-grabbing, and only that. However, Mark is a great talent-spotter, how he does it I don't know.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 15, 2021 8:56:10 GMT
Not sure how Germany survives having three headline GT3 championships, but it somehow works. Huge local manufacturer interest probably helps. Marko can be a bit of a bell-end but fair play to Red-Bull as a whole - they've effectively changed the face of racing across all forms of motorsport. The current Moto3 title leader is full-on Red Bull financed and steps up to Moto2 next year despite this being his first season as a GP rider. Not sure any other sponsor-led teams (Red-Bull Ajo in this case) would take that kind of risk.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 15, 2021 9:57:34 GMT
Ed is right, Lawson is a major talent and the way he has combined F2 and DTM for 2021 has been very impressive. Right from the first round in Monza, it was like he was a GT3-veteran. There have been some prior clashes between Lawson and van der Linde. I have no doubt that it influenced van der Linde's decision to try and take out Lawson. The worst aspect is, he repeated the same move on Sunday. On Saturday it didn't quite work out, on Sunday it most definitely did - he broke the steering on Lawson's Ferrari. I think some people, including van der Linde, was jealous of Lawson. Some youngster comes into a series filled with GT3 veterans and starts outpacing them. Lawson is exceptional, he will go far. If you look at minute three, that gets a five-second penalty: Attempt to wipe out a championship rival two days in a row, that also gets a five-second penalty. The world has gone mad. Its a shame because I really enjoyed DTM in 2021. DTM needed a crisis to force the series to abandon its niche carbon-bodied silhouettes for something that teams can afford, and a plug-and-play solution. GT3 isn't particular imaginative, but undoubtedly its introduced new brands to DTM, the cars don't become undrivable with a bit of panel-rubbing, and you don't need DRS or other gimmicks. A lot less aero sensitive too. Sure, the old DTM cars would thrash GT3 cars. But in return you get much better racing, and the fact that DTM is now a sportscar series does not bother me in the slightest. Not sure how Germany survives having three headline GT3 championships, but it somehow works. Ed I agree about Marko's achievements as a driver, no doubting that. But his comments sometimes are a bit silly, like after the Silverstone and the Hamilton and Verstappen crash. Some of his suggestions are headline-grabbing, and only that. However, Mark is a great talent-spotter, how he does it I don't know. Don't get me wrong, I do think he's a bit mad but then I think you'd need to be to do what he's achieved in life. A doctor in Law must mean he's top of the tree of know it alls. BUT, he raced in that era of the best cars, long circuits, proper road races like the Targa Florio etc. And for that all is forgiven.
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